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Quote from: qwik2learn on October 21, 2017, 01:35:55 PM

Quote from: Astargath on October 21, 2017, 10:32:44 AM

There are a ton of ''viable'' hypothesis, so what? Why would you chose some hypothesis when there are already scientific theories that just work better. You are not proving anything here.

Prove it. Prove that parapsychological research is explained better by theories not involving Orch OR and survival. Since the tests can be replicated it should be easy to prove that the mind cannot influence matter, as you claim.

Quote from: Astargath on October 21, 2017, 10:32:44 AM

''Theories that support this idea are: Orch OR and survival.'' Orch OR is not a theory, is a hypothesis and I don't see how it directly supports magic but whatever, again and you know this, there is no scientific theory about any of what you mention.

Not true, you are making shit up again. Orch OR is a theory, it makes testable predictions, thus it is a theory. While mainstream theories assert that consciousness emerges as the complexity of the computations performed by cerebral neurons increases, Orch-OR posits that consciousness is based on non-computable quantum processing performed by qubits formed collectively on cellular microtubules.

Survival is a hypothesis, it is useful in explaining the evidence of parapsychology, the two are related and have strong explanatory power. The same cannot be said for mainstream materialist theories. I posted my evidence, so where is yours? You cannot claim that your preferred theory is better without citing evidence for it.

A review of Orch OR theory:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1571064513001188
Connecting QM to the survival of the personality and other parapsychological research:
http://www.near-death.com/science/evidence.html#a22
http://www.near-death.com/science/evidence.html#a14
http://www.near-death.com/science/evidence.html#a23
Tests that you refuse to address or even look at, yet you claim to have a better theory? Prove it!
https://www.quora.com/Is-telekinesis-scientifically-true/answers/17777933

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orchestrated_objective_reduction ''is a hypothesis that consciousness in the brain originates from processes inside neurons'' Again, not a theory.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1571064513001188
Hahahaha, Referred to by
Deepak chopra, the guy who says each atom has consciousness??

The official ESA [Physics Dept.] stance is that this is not currently supported.

http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21877

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if that was true than everybody believe god but no science can prove that .it like a spiritual thing

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Quote from: Vod on October 22, 2017, 07:45:19 PM

Quote from: BCEmporium on October 22, 2017, 09:03:07 AM

That would be pretty boring though. What would people argue about if we suddenly found proof?

After any god is proven, next is the Tooth Fairy.

I can confirm that the Tooth Fairy is real. I've found a dollar under my pillow on multiple occasions. Does that mean that God has already been proven?

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Quote from: skillink on October 22, 2017, 12:22:11 AM

I agree the first human is adam and Eve. While the theory of darwin is just a theory that is not based on DNA research. What is taught in my religion is the same, that is Adam and Eve is the first human

Your religion teaches incest??

Can you even stop to think for just one second what would have happend to the gene pool if our species was inbreeding for centuries (let alone millenniums...)

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Quote from: BCEmporium on October 22, 2017, 09:03:07 AM

That would be pretty boring though. What would people argue about if we suddenly found proof?

After any god is proven, next is the Tooth Fairy.

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Quote from: skillink on October 22, 2017, 12:22:11 AM

I agree the first human is adam and Eve. While the theory of darwin is just a theory that is not based on DNA research. What is taught in my religion is the same, that is Adam and Eve is the first human

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Quote from: Vod on October 21, 2017, 08:28:47 PM

Quote from: BADecker on October 21, 2017, 03:32:51 PM

Oh my scientifically proven to exist God. Cool

If only...

The debate about whether god exists could be solved instantly if we found any proof at all.

That would be pretty boring though. What would people argue about if we suddenly found proof?

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I agree the first human is adam and Eve. While the theory of darwin is just a theory that is not based on DNA research. What is taught in my religion is the same, that is Adam and Eve is the first human

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Quote from: BADecker on October 21, 2017, 03:32:51 PM

Oh my scientifically proven to exist God. Cool

If only...

The debate about whether god exists could be solved instantly if we found any proof at all.

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Quote from: CWX on October 21, 2017, 03:27:33 PM

oh my god...

Oh my scientifically proven to exist God. Cool

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Quote from: qwik2learn on October 21, 2017, 03:21:07 PM

Quantum non-local consciousness could possibly extend outside the brain, potentially enabling spiritual connection, telepathy, after-life, reincarnation and cosmic wisdom. This is Pandora’s Box to mainstream science which can’t explain consciousness in the brain.
Cosmology also points to intelligence, if not consciousness, intrinsic to the universe.
https://www.choprafoundation.org/spirituality/is-the-universe-conscious-by-stuart-hameroff/

The "quantum soul" hypothesis:
http://www.newdualism.org/papers/S.Hameroff/QSoulchap.pdf

This is absolutely true. The only thing about it is that our present terminology doesn't explain it properly. Why not? Because science has very little understanding of what soul and spirit are all about. Generally, science doesn't accept these things at all.

It's kinda like parallel universes. Parallel universes would have to exist in something like the aether. But science doesn't have a handle on the aether almost at all. Standard science suggests that the aether doesn't exist.

But that is kinda the way science has to be. We need something solid, and science tries to keep it that way. At least until they want to ignore things that prove a whole lot of what is known as science theory is impossible.

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oh my god...

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Quantum non-local consciousness could possibly extend outside the brain, potentially enabling spiritual connection, telepathy, after-life, reincarnation and cosmic wisdom. This is Pandora’s Box to mainstream science which can’t explain consciousness in the brain.
Cosmology also points to intelligence, if not consciousness, intrinsic to the universe.
https://www.choprafoundation.org/spirituality/is-the-universe-conscious-by-stuart-hameroff/

The "quantum soul" hypothesis:
http://www.newdualism.org/papers/S.Hameroff/QSoulchap.pdf

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Deep discussion, very refreshing from the usual off topic drivel

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Quote from: Astargath on October 21, 2017, 10:32:44 AM

Quote from: qwik2learn on October 20, 2017, 04:59:14 PM

Quote from: Astargath on October 20, 2017, 04:54:15 AM

No, I'm not a scientist. If there was enough evidence then we would have a scientific theory of your beliefs, there is no survival scientific theory for magic, as far as I know, if you show it to me then I will believe you.

Consciousness is fundamental, and it influences matter.
Theories that support this idea are: Orch OR and survival.

Quote from: Astargath on October 20, 2017, 04:54:15 AM

You claim what you have is evidence but it's not, all those tests are flawed, personal experiences and can't be repeated.

Not true. Check out the tests and back up your claim with facts.

Quote from: Astargath on October 20, 2017, 04:54:15 AM

Again if there was sufficient evidence scientists would have made a scientific theory,

It already happened, I spoke with "protokol" about Orch OR and he could not deny that this theory is plausible.

Quote from: Astargath on October 20, 2017, 04:54:15 AM

you are trying to convince people that magic is real in a bitcoin forum, off topic section in a thread that is called ''scientific proof of god'' You are desperate to feel validated by others so you can still believe in what you believe.

I am pointing out that survival is a viable hypothesis and that it debunks the philosophical materialism espoused by many atheists. Parapsychological research does not qualify as "magic", the results are easily explained by scientific theories like survival and Orch OR.

Quote from: qwik2learn on October 12, 2017, 02:40:25 AM

Quote from: qwik2learn on October 09, 2017, 03:58:52 PM

Regarding TK, the evidence goes back to the 19th century, many eminent researchers have conducted their own tests:
https://www.quora.com/Is-telekinesis-scientifically-true/answers/17777933

There is a group of atheists who call themselves skeptics that display an almost religious need to deny this research. It’s just weird, but they’re very serious about it. It’s their version of religious intolerance.

Evidence doesn’t magically disappear when it’s contested. It just means that there’s disagreement.

There is plenty of evidence for psychic ability and it is a bald faced lie to say that there isn’t.

There are a ton of ''viable'' hypothesis, so what? Why would you chose some hypothesis when there are already scientific theories that just work better. You are not proving anything here.

''Theories that support this idea are: Orch OR and survival.'' Orch OR is not a theory, is a hypothesis and I don't see how it directly supports magic but whatever, again and you know this, there is no scientific theory about any of what you mention.

Yes, but, the ideas that God DOESN'T exist are way less viable than the ideas that He DOES exist.

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Quote from: Astargath on October 21, 2017, 10:32:44 AM

There are a ton of ''viable'' hypothesis, so what? Why would you chose some hypothesis when there are already scientific theories that just work better. You are not proving anything here.

Prove it. Prove that parapsychological research is explained better by theories not involving Orch OR and survival. Since the tests can be replicated it should be easy to prove that the mind cannot influence matter, as you claim.

Quote from: Astargath on October 21, 2017, 10:32:44 AM

''Theories that support this idea are: Orch OR and survival.'' Orch OR is not a theory, is a hypothesis and I don't see how it directly supports magic but whatever, again and you know this, there is no scientific theory about any of what you mention.

Not true, you are making shit up again. Orch OR is a theory, it makes testable predictions, thus it is a theory. While mainstream theories assert that consciousness emerges as the complexity of the computations performed by cerebral neurons increases, Orch-OR posits that consciousness is based on non-computable quantum processing performed by qubits formed collectively on cellular microtubules.

Survival is a hypothesis, it is useful in explaining the evidence of parapsychology, the two are related and have strong explanatory power. The same cannot be said for mainstream materialist theories. I posted my evidence, so where is yours? You cannot claim that your preferred theory is better without citing evidence for it.

A review of Orch OR theory:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1571064513001188
Connecting QM to the survival of the personality and other parapsychological research:
http://www.near-death.com/science/evidence.html#a22
http://www.near-death.com/science/evidence.html#a14
http://www.near-death.com/science/evidence.html#a23
Tests that you refuse to address or even look at, yet you claim to have a better theory? Prove it!
https://www.quora.com/Is-telekinesis-scientifically-true/answers/17777933

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Quote from: notbatman on October 21, 2017, 04:45:15 AM

The Antarctic Treaty System says you're full of shit, you can't go without permission from your government.

Yet another lie. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: qwik2learn on October 20, 2017, 04:59:14 PM

Quote from: Astargath on October 20, 2017, 04:54:15 AM

No, I'm not a scientist. If there was enough evidence then we would have a scientific theory of your beliefs, there is no survival scientific theory for magic, as far as I know, if you show it to me then I will believe you.

Consciousness is fundamental, and it influences matter.
Theories that support this idea are: Orch OR and survival.

Quote from: Astargath on October 20, 2017, 04:54:15 AM

You claim what you have is evidence but it's not, all those tests are flawed, personal experiences and can't be repeated.

Not true. Check out the tests and back up your claim with facts.

Quote from: Astargath on October 20, 2017, 04:54:15 AM

Again if there was sufficient evidence scientists would have made a scientific theory,

It already happened, I spoke with "protokol" about Orch OR and he could not deny that this theory is plausible.

Quote from: Astargath on October 20, 2017, 04:54:15 AM

you are trying to convince people that magic is real in a bitcoin forum, off topic section in a thread that is called ''scientific proof of god'' You are desperate to feel validated by others so you can still believe in what you believe.

I am pointing out that survival is a viable hypothesis and that it debunks the philosophical materialism espoused by many atheists. Parapsychological research does not qualify as "magic", the results are easily explained by scientific theories like survival and Orch OR.

Quote from: qwik2learn on October 12, 2017, 02:40:25 AM

Quote from: qwik2learn on October 09, 2017, 03:58:52 PM

Regarding TK, the evidence goes back to the 19th century, many eminent researchers have conducted their own tests:
https://www.quora.com/Is-telekinesis-scientifically-true/answers/17777933

There is a group of atheists who call themselves skeptics that display an almost religious need to deny this research. It’s just weird, but they’re very serious about it. It’s their version of religious intolerance.

Evidence doesn’t magically disappear when it’s contested. It just means that there’s disagreement.

There is plenty of evidence for psychic ability and it is a bald faced lie to say that there isn’t.

There are a ton of ''viable'' hypothesis, so what? Why would you chose some hypothesis when there are already scientific theories that just work better. You are not proving anything here.

''Theories that support this idea are: Orch OR and survival.'' Orch OR is not a theory, is a hypothesis and I don't see how it directly supports magic but whatever, again and you know this, there is no scientific theory about any of what you mention.

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Quote from: notbatman on October 21, 2017, 04:45:15 AM

Quote from: Vod on October 21, 2017, 12:34:50 AM

Quote from: notbatman on October 20, 2017, 11:38:35 PM

The Earth was engineered/built and the ruling scientific establishment are massive liars on an epic scale. There's a reason you need permission from your (((government))) to visit Antarctica, if you're looking for "scientific proof" I'd start there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Antarctica

You don't need permission from anyone to travel south. Try it. There is no imaginary navy blocking you.

The Antarctic Treaty System says you're full of shit, you can't go without permission from your government.

The antarctic treaty system doesn't say that you can't. Show me the paragraph where it says that, you can't even read properly, mongoloid.

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Surely god exists...you can search all around youtube and can found proof of many hindu gods

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