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legendary
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October 21, 2017, 06:44:23 AM
The existence of God cannot be proved or disproved.

If you wave your hand through the empty air, are you not waving it through empty space as well? After all, the fact that the air is less dense than water, or less dense than the ground you are standing on, or less dense than a rock, or less dense than a chunk of iron, indicates that the air simply has more empty space between its molecules, right?

Or suppose you become an astronaut and ride a rocket 100 miles up. Are you not in space, then? And is not space made out of nothing?

Does "nothing" exist? After all, nothing is only the absence of something, like darkness is only the absence of light. So, does nothing really exist? You can't grab hold of nothing. You can't take it into your laboratory to measure its properties by chemically dissolving it. The only way you can analyze it is to analyze the relational properties of material or energy "things." Through the measurement of various material relationships, you can prove that nothing exists, even though you can't do anything with nothing at all, directly.

Same with darkness. You analyze light. But you can't analyze or measure darkness. Yet you can prove darkness exists because you can measure aspects of light and other electromagnetic radiation.

In a similar way, you can measure all kinds of aspects of the things that we know about the universe to prove that God exists, even though we can't grab hold of Him and chemically tear Him apart in the lab to find out what He is made of.

- Cause and effect in everything in the universe is like programming.
- Complexity in everything shows how great the programming is.
- Entropy shows that there was a beginning.
- Combining these 3 things, scientifically proves that God exists, although it doesn't prove much about what He is.

Words don't always convey a meaning well. But you can look throughout this thread to find many words that explain how these 3 things prove the existence of God. Several links to explanations are here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380.

One other thing that yo will find is, those who want to prove that God doesn't exist, or that the 3 basics listed above don't prove that God doesn't exist, can't do so satisfactorily. Yet they continue to talk and act like they think that God doesn't exist. While their words don't express directly or clearly that they hate God, after a time, their whole group of words expresses it.

Cool

Don't listen to badecker, he has been debunked several times before.


https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.19455088

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.19350390
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.19357376

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.19355289

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.19666684


The existence of God cannot be proved or disproved. The Bible says that we must accept by faith the fact that God exists: “And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him” (Hebrews 11:6). If God so desired, He could simply appear and prove to the whole world that He exists. But if He did that, there would be no need for faith. “Then Jesus told him, ‘Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed’” (John 20:29).

this is what im saying mr BADecker dont stop on one sentence only read the whole comment to understand my friend

Does God Exist?—Many Absolute Proofs! (Part 1)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbxD04LWW10


Does God Exist?—Many Absolute Proofs! (Part 2)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqsfyba4sJA


Does God Exist?—Many Absolute Proofs! (Part 3)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zpd9FfiMZg


Does God Exist?—Many Absolute Proofs! (Part 4)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqKblsrNCOo


Does God Exist?—Many Absolute Proofs! (Part 5)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxfGKu7fmXE


Cool
legendary
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October 21, 2017, 03:45:15 AM
The Earth was engineered/built and the ruling scientific establishment are massive liars on an epic scale. There's a reason you need permission from your (((government))) to visit Antarctica, if you're looking for "scientific proof" I'd start there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Antarctica


You don't need permission from anyone to travel south.  Try it.  There is no imaginary navy blocking you.  Smiley

The Antarctic Treaty System says you're full of shit, you can't go without permission from your government.
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October 21, 2017, 01:10:53 AM
 
The existence of God cannot be proved or disproved.

If you wave your hand through the empty air, are you not waving it through empty space as well? After all, the fact that the air is less dense than water, or less dense than the ground you are standing on, or less dense than a rock, or less dense than a chunk of iron, indicates that the air simply has more empty space between its molecules, right?

Or suppose you become an astronaut and ride a rocket 100 miles up. Are you not in space, then? And is not space made out of nothing?

Does "nothing" exist? After all, nothing is only the absence of something, like darkness is only the absence of light. So, does nothing really exist? You can't grab hold of nothing. You can't take it into your laboratory to measure its properties by chemically dissolving it. The only way you can analyze it is to analyze the relational properties of material or energy "things." Through the measurement of various material relationships, you can prove that nothing exists, even though you can't do anything with nothing at all, directly.

Same with darkness. You analyze light. But you can't analyze or measure darkness. Yet you can prove darkness exists because you can measure aspects of light and other electromagnetic radiation.

In a similar way, you can measure all kinds of aspects of the things that we know about the universe to prove that God exists, even though we can't grab hold of Him and chemically tear Him apart in the lab to find out what He is made of.

- Cause and effect in everything in the universe is like programming.
- Complexity in everything shows how great the programming is.
- Entropy shows that there was a beginning.
- Combining these 3 things, scientifically proves that God exists, although it doesn't prove much about what He is.

Words don't always convey a meaning well. But you can look throughout this thread to find many words that explain how these 3 things prove the existence of God. Several links to explanations are here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380.

One other thing that yo will find is, those who want to prove that God doesn't exist, or that the 3 basics listed above don't prove that God doesn't exist, can't do so satisfactorily. Yet they continue to talk and act like they think that God doesn't exist. While their words don't express directly or clearly that they hate God, after a time, their whole group of words expresses it.

Cool

Don't listen to badecker, he has been debunked several times before.


https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.19455088

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.19350390
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.19357376

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.19355289

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.19666684


The existence of God cannot be proved or disproved. The Bible says that we must accept by faith the fact that God exists: “And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him” (Hebrews 11:6). If God so desired, He could simply appear and prove to the whole world that He exists. But if He did that, there would be no need for faith. “Then Jesus told him, ‘Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed’” (John 20:29).

this is what im saying mr BADecker dont stop on one sentence only read the whole comment to understand my friend
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legendary
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October 20, 2017, 11:34:50 PM
The Earth was engineered/built and the ruling scientific establishment are massive liars on an epic scale. There's a reason you need permission from your (((government))) to visit Antarctica, if you're looking for "scientific proof" I'd start there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Antarctica


You don't need permission from anyone to travel south.  Try it.  There is no imaginary navy blocking you.  Smiley
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October 20, 2017, 11:24:19 PM
you cant prove that there is god. Its better to waste time proving something else rather than chasing someone who has no existence
legendary
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October 20, 2017, 10:38:35 PM
The Earth was engineered/built and the ruling scientific establishment are massive liars on an epic scale. There's a reason you need permission from your (((government))) to visit Antarctica, if you're looking for "scientific proof" I'd start there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Antarctica
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October 20, 2017, 10:14:25 PM
how scientist proof the existance of god? cauuse I didnt really heard that before
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October 20, 2017, 09:46:48 PM
There are many proofs that god exist.

If would be nice if you brainwashed fools could give us a single proof.

Then the entire world would believe in your god...
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October 20, 2017, 09:30:38 PM
There are many proofs that god exist. There is this one theory that I read recently it says that scientists discover that the human race came from one Male and one common female. The male is nicknamed Y chromosome Adam and the female is mitochondrion Eve. This theory challenges Charles Darwin's theory of evolution. It says it is very unlikely that human evolved from apes because there is no evidence of the creature between human and apes and scientists detected that here has no significant change in the human structure for the last 200,000 years,
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October 20, 2017, 04:31:44 PM
NO scientific proof yet... but in the Bible there is...
The NT was written and assembled to fulfill Paul's Roman agenda, not Jesus' Jewish one.

http://www.viewzone.com/ventriloquest.html

I recommend using critical thinking when studying the Bible, even the experts agree that there is little that we know for sure about the events in the NT.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_reliability_of_the_Gospels
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October 20, 2017, 04:04:48 PM
NO scientific proof yet... but in the Bible there is...
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October 20, 2017, 03:59:14 PM

No, I'm not a scientist. If there was enough evidence then we would have a scientific theory of your beliefs, there is no survival scientific theory for magic, as far as I know, if you show it to me then I will believe you.
Consciousness is fundamental, and it influences matter.
Theories that support this idea are: Orch OR and survival.

You claim what you have is evidence but it's not, all those tests are flawed, personal experiences and can't be repeated.
Not true. Check out the tests and back up your claim with facts.

Again if there was sufficient evidence scientists would have made a scientific theory,
It already happened, I spoke with "protokol" about Orch OR and he could not deny that this theory is plausible.

you are trying to convince people that magic is real in a bitcoin forum, off topic section in a thread that is called ''scientific proof of god'' You are desperate to feel validated by others so you can still believe in what you believe.
I am pointing out that survival is a viable hypothesis and that it debunks the philosophical materialism espoused by many atheists. Parapsychological research does not qualify as "magic", the results are easily explained by scientific theories like survival and Orch OR.

Regarding TK, the evidence goes back to the 19th century, many eminent researchers have conducted their own tests:
https://www.quora.com/Is-telekinesis-scientifically-true/answers/17777933

There is a group of atheists who call themselves skeptics that display an almost religious need to deny this research. It’s just weird, but they’re very serious about it. It’s their version of religious intolerance.

Evidence doesn’t magically disappear when it’s contested. It just means that there’s disagreement.

There is plenty of evidence for psychic ability and it is a bald faced lie to say that there isn’t.
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October 20, 2017, 07:00:03 AM
The existence of God cannot be proved or disproved.

If you wave your hand through the empty air, are you not waving it through empty space as well? After all, the fact that the air is less dense than water, or less dense than the ground you are standing on, or less dense than a rock, or less dense than a chunk of iron, indicates that the air simply has more empty space between its molecules, right?

Or suppose you become an astronaut and ride a rocket 100 miles up. Are you not in space, then? And is not space made out of nothing?

Does "nothing" exist? After all, nothing is only the absence of something, like darkness is only the absence of light. So, does nothing really exist? You can't grab hold of nothing. You can't take it into your laboratory to measure its properties by chemically dissolving it. The only way you can analyze it is to analyze the relational properties of material or energy "things." Through the measurement of various material relationships, you can prove that nothing exists, even though you can't do anything with nothing at all, directly.

Same with darkness. You analyze light. But you can't analyze or measure darkness. Yet you can prove darkness exists because you can measure aspects of light and other electromagnetic radiation.

In a similar way, you can measure all kinds of aspects of the things that we know about the universe to prove that God exists, even though we can't grab hold of Him and chemically tear Him apart in the lab to find out what He is made of.

- Cause and effect in everything in the universe is like programming.
- Complexity in everything shows how great the programming is.
- Entropy shows that there was a beginning.
- Combining these 3 things, scientifically proves that God exists, although it doesn't prove much about what He is.

Words don't always convey a meaning well. But you can look throughout this thread to find many words that explain how these 3 things prove the existence of God. Several links to explanations are here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380.

One other thing that yo will find is, those who want to prove that God doesn't exist, or that the 3 basics listed above don't prove that God doesn't exist, can't do so satisfactorily. Yet they continue to talk and act like they think that God doesn't exist. While their words don't express directly or clearly that they hate God, after a time, their whole group of words expresses it.

Cool

Don't listen to badecker, he has been debunked several times before.


https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.19455088

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.19350390
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.19357376

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.19355289

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.19666684
legendary
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October 20, 2017, 06:39:53 AM
The existence of God cannot be proved or disproved.

If you wave your hand through the empty air, are you not waving it through empty space as well? After all, the fact that the air is less dense than water, or less dense than the ground you are standing on, or less dense than a rock, or less dense than a chunk of iron, indicates that the air simply has more empty space between its molecules, right?

Or suppose you become an astronaut and ride a rocket 100 miles up. Are you not in space, then? And is not space made out of nothing?

Does "nothing" exist? After all, nothing is only the absence of something, like darkness is only the absence of light. So, does nothing really exist? You can't grab hold of nothing. You can't take it into your laboratory to measure its properties by chemically dissolving it. The only way you can analyze it is to analyze the relational properties of material or energy "things." Through the measurement of various material relationships, you can prove that nothing exists, even though you can't do anything with nothing at all, directly.

Same with darkness. You analyze light. But you can't analyze or measure darkness. Yet you can prove darkness exists because you can measure aspects of light and other electromagnetic radiation.

In a similar way, you can measure all kinds of aspects of the things that we know about the universe to prove that God exists, even though we can't grab hold of Him and chemically tear Him apart in the lab to find out what He is made of.

- Cause and effect in everything in the universe is like programming.
- Complexity in everything shows how great the programming is.
- Entropy shows that there was a beginning.
- Combining these 3 things, scientifically proves that God exists, although it doesn't prove much about what He is.

Words don't always convey a meaning well. But you can look throughout this thread to find many words that explain how these 3 things prove the existence of God. Several links to explanations are here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380.

One other thing that yo will find is, those who want to prove that God doesn't exist, or that the 3 basics listed above don't prove that God doesn't exist, can't do so satisfactorily. Yet they continue to talk and act like they think that God doesn't exist. While their words don't express directly or clearly that they hate God, after a time, their whole group of words expresses it.

Cool
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October 20, 2017, 04:07:07 AM
Well i am a hindu and there are many proofs of existence of hindu gods...hindu which is the oldest ever religion on earth
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October 20, 2017, 04:03:27 AM
The existence of God cannot be proved or disproved. The Bible says that we must accept by faith the fact that God exists: “And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him” (Hebrews 11:6). If God so desired, He could simply appear and prove to the whole world that He exists. But if He did that, there would be no need for faith. “Then Jesus told him, ‘Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed’” (John 20:29).

That does not mean, however, that there is no evidence of God’s existence. The Bible states, “The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of His hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge. There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard. Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world” (Psalm 19:1-4). Looking at the stars, understanding the vastness of the universe, observing the wonders of nature, seeing the beauty of a sunset—all of these things point to a Creator God. If these were not enough, there is also evidence of God in our own hearts. Ecclesiastes 3:11 tells us, “…He has also set eternity in the hearts of men.” Deep within us is the recognition that there is something beyond this life and someone beyond this world. We can deny this knowledge intellectually, but God’s presence in us and all around us is still obvious. Despite this, the Bible warns that some will still deny God’s existence: “The fool says in his heart, ‘There is no God’” (Psalm 14:1). Since the vast majority of people throughout history, in all cultures, in all civilizations, and on all continents believe in the existence of some kind of God, there must be something (or someone) causing this belief.

In addition to the biblical arguments for God’s existence, there are logical arguments. First, there is the ontological argument. The most popular form of the ontological argument uses the concept of God to prove God’s existence. It begins with the definition of God as “a being than which no greater can be conceived.” It is then argued that to exist is greater than to not exist, and therefore the greatest conceivable being must exist. If God did not exist, then God would not be the greatest conceivable being, and that would contradict the very definition of God.

A second argument is the teleological argument. The teleological argument states that since the universe displays such an amazing design, there must have been a divine Designer. For example, if the Earth were significantly closer or farther away from the sun, it would not be capable of supporting much of the life it currently does. If the elements in our atmosphere were even a few percentage points different, nearly every living thing on earth would die. The odds of a single protein molecule forming by chance is 1 in 10243 (that is a 1 followed by 243 zeros). A single cell is comprised of millions of protein molecules.

A third logical argument for God’s existence is called the cosmological argument. Every effect must have a cause. This universe and everything in it is an effect. There must be something that caused everything to come into existence. Ultimately, there must be something “un-caused” in order to cause everything else to come into existence. That “un-caused” cause is God.

A fourth argument is known as the moral argument. Every culture throughout history has had some form of law. Everyone has a sense of right and wrong. Murder, lying, stealing, and immorality are almost universally rejected. Where did this sense of right and wrong come from if not from a holy God?

Despite all of this, the Bible tells us that people will reject the clear and undeniable knowledge of God and believe a lie instead. Romans 1:25 declares, “They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.” The Bible also proclaims that people are without excuse for not believing in God: “For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—His eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse” (Romans 1:20).

People claim to reject God’s existence because it is “not scientific” or “because there is no proof.” The true reason is that once they admit that there is a God, they also must realize that they are responsible to God and in need of forgiveness from Him (Romans 3:23, 6:23). If God exists, then we are accountable to Him for our actions. If God does not exist, then we can do whatever we want without having to worry about God judging us. That is why many of those who deny the existence of God cling strongly to the theory of naturalistic evolution—it gives them an alternative to believing in a Creator God. God exists and ultimately everyone knows that He exists. The very fact that some attempt so aggressively to disprove His existence is in fact an argument for His existence.

How do we know God exists? As Christians, we know God exists because we speak to Him every day. We do not audibly hear Him speaking to us, but we sense His presence, we feel His leading, we know His love, we desire His grace. Things have occurred in our lives that have no possible explanation other than God. God has so miraculously saved us and changed our lives that we cannot help but acknowledge and praise His existence. None of these arguments can persuade anyone who refuses to acknowledge what is already obvious. In the end, God’s existence must be accepted by faith (Hebrews 11:6). Faith in God is not a blind leap into the dark; it is safe step into a well-lit room where the vast majority of people are already standing.

Additional resource: https://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFF&p=1011693&item_no=45619

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October 20, 2017, 03:54:15 AM
The big bang has evidence supporting it

  what we call the universe is something that we have described with observational evidence,
Psychic powers have been described with observational evidence. Survival has evidence to support it.

The universe is based on consciousness, this means that philosophical materialism is incorrect.

You can claim they have but they haven't. We don't have a telekinesis theory as far as I know. If there was indeed observational evidence we would have discovered and studied long ago, we would have a ton of applications for it, we would have special schools teaching it, yet in real life there is nothing like that. Ghosts are also described with observational evidence (allegedly) do you believe in ghosts? Demons? Wake up to reality.
I provided the evidence,  you only provided your beliefs.
 Survival is a viable theory, same with Orch OR. Materialism is not viable. You did not explain the evidence using science or reason.
For those who are new to all of this:
http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20170215-the-strange-link-between-the-human-mind-and-quantum-physics

No, I'm not a scientist. If there was enough evidence then we would have a scientific theory of your beliefs, there is no survival scientific theory for magic, as far as I know, if you show it to me then I will believe you. You claim what you have is evidence but it's not, all those tests are flawed, personal experiences and can't be repeated. Again if there was sufficient evidence scientists would have made a scientific theory, you are trying to convince people that magic is real in a bitcoin forum, off topic section in a thread that is called ''scientific proof of god'' You are desperate to feel validated by others so you can still believe in what you believe.
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October 20, 2017, 12:51:41 AM
Our consciousness is a part of the universe--therefore it rational to say that the mind is a receiver of the universal consciousness.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-nature-nurture-nietzsche-blog/201004/is-the-universe-conscious
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October 19, 2017, 01:23:20 PM
Pascal -- French philosopher, scientist, mathematician and probability theorist (1623-1662) -- argues that if we do not know whether God exists then we should play it safe rather than risk being sorry

http://www.iep.utm.edu/pasc-wag/

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October 19, 2017, 12:51:12 PM
No one can prove this thread valid or not.. Relax folks. Ether way, it's all good..
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