Topic: Scientific proof that God exists? - page 281. (Read 845578 times)

Definitive proof against Bible God: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuYxGtuBSgk&feature=youtu.be

Oh wow, I hadn't even realised quite how unhinged you truly are Jag! So some delusional lunatic posts about how he is an inter-dimensional being and you, what, just believe him?

Is that how it works or are you claiming there's actual evidence that he is an inter-dimensional galactic commander?

Sir,
We are all human here; there is no need to be abstract, especially when I can see that your philosophy is absurd. Quantum Mechanics understanding is not so important as understanding the nature of your personal responsibility, but God gives you all truth and free will so that you can come to understanding with regards to any subject.

If you are using the premise that no one understands quantum mechanics to assert a conclusion bearing on human knowledge, then I am afraid that your argument is lost on me. Materialism is disprovable on philosophical grounds; you can see that the materialism of Dennett, which you promote, is refuted by Nagel's common sense; kindly reference the Kurt Gödel quote and the article about Nagel, preferably in full from the source.

As for the mind:
If you propose "telepathy", then your explanation falls under the label "super-psi"; this "super-psi" hypothesis is discussed in the literature behind the AECES top 40 cases and elsewhere in parapsychology.

Actually, the "Quantum Parapsychology" page on FB helps one to understand QM, so does this link (and others), and so too with the best-tested theory of consciousness in science (Quantum Consciousness, which denies the doctrine of ones such as Dawkins as per my earlier references Chopra and Nagel), and there are also many references to accurate knowledge in Phoenix Journals; therefore, it would seem like a good understanding is to be had by reading these sources:

If any one reads the Phoenix Journals, then invariably s/he will choose to conclude that the Journals are the WORD. Then, one will understand that GOD IS. MAN PLACES LIMITATIONS--GOD HAS NONE! Here are some highly relevant quotes:


In the same tone as given to me, sir--get your intelligence out of your assets and come into the professional maturity of the task at hand.


I offer this material humbly, and hope that you have the patience (or skills) to read through the truth about man and god.
I know that it is difficult to discuss knowledge outside of an empirical context, but the Phoenix Journals deserve discussion; I personally have found it highly valuable to use the content-source problem as a framework for evaluating the truth of the Journals; check out these papers:
THE CONTENT-SOURCE PROBLEM IN MODERN MEDIUMSHIP RESEARCH
THE PROBLEM OF SETH'S ORIGIN



Username18333, Please also consider the reference and points of John Lennox as to the absurdity of atheism; it is hard to make sense of the world under the materialist hypothesis.


These things are known to be real by sheer common sense; the fact that materialism rejects them as the effects of solely physical processes seriously undercuts the ideology’s ability to make sense of the world.


I certainly hope that you and others who are reading will take the responsibility to check out these references for yourselves, then you can decide if that truth is "VALID".

13 planes, though the 13th is what most of us would call "death"; they exist as planes of the mind structured in consciousness - to fill the space in consciousness between physical and spirit, they are termed Planes of the Mind: Word, Association, Reflection, Logic, Spontaneity, Result, Fantasy, Correspondence, Depth, Integration, Empathy, Universal, Death...

Thank You,
Viz.

You can't prove between science and religion any more than you can tell someone to prove they don't exist, it won't happen not from the indent in reality; but for the desire of such entity to see only that which it wants to see.

Hyperreality is the “abridged” physicality utilized by the brain in such a way as to enhance the human animal’s capacity to serve the Anunnaki.

First, we must all recognize that Scientific explanations do not rule out explanations at other levels.

Hi username18333, I suggest you take a close look at this link, because your arguments are not making sense to me...


Hey 'joint', you said that you would be happy to read evidence, so why not read Hatonn and see if there is anything which is not-true; as for me, I am still waiting for someone (anyone) to adequately address the observations presented in the Eisenbeiss case. A rational person can see that this case is strong evidence for the survival hypothesis, and that explanations grounded in fraud/deception are not supported by any evidence. As you can see, there is very strong evidence in favor of the afterlife, and belief in the afterlife is scientific.

To prove that all atheists are mistaken, it is enough that I point to the observations which strongly support the survival hypothesis. Any atheist (humanist) can provide adequate reasons to reject the evidence, but none have done so. Similarly, I can refute materialism by pointing to the latest knowledge in molecular biology which asserts that "life is more than just complicated chemistry".

"It seems to me immensely unlikely that mind is a mere by-product of matter. For if my mental processes are determined wholly by the motions of atoms in my brain I have no reason to suppose that my beliefs are true. They may be sound chemically, but that does not make them sound logically. And hence I have no reason for supposing my brain to be composed of atoms."--J.B.S. Haldane

So please read Journal 36 and also read "Marriage of Sense & Soul", where you will find these quotes:

"you will find, in this adventure, that the scientific method will never be left behind in the search for an ultimate ground"

"from the in-sides of an astonishment that has no boundaries, an answer begins to suggest itself, and whisper to us lightly. If we listen very carefully, from within this infinite wonder, perhaps we can hear the gentle promise that, in the very heart of the Kosmos itself, both science and religion will be there to welcome us home."

"what is required is not a new monological science or a new dialogical interpretation, but a genuine method for directly opening to translogical contemplation, and no 'new scientific paradigm' whatsoever has been able to make that offer"

A good review of this book (with a link to the author's reply): http://www.integralworld.net/sense_fv.html

And a choice quote:

In E.O. Wilson's "Concilience" (pg 126-127), you will find this quote: "Our deepest nature is unbounded, pure awareness. Neither the material nor the consciousness aspects of life are primary, as both continuously arise from the underlying Meta-universe. The continuing existence of the universe around us depends upon the unbroken generative power of the meta-universe (Whose Essence Is Pure Awareness)"--this quote is talking about GOD, the ONE POWER, ONE SPIRIT, ONE BEING, ONE LIGHT, etc.

Wilson also says "It is important to note that consciousness is always connected with an object of knowing."

I note that Kant made a similar conclusion many years ago:


These authors demonstrate the kind of collaborative inquiry that builds knowledge.

Also, you can read the conversation between Einstein and Tagore, and also watch "Deepak Chopra Essential DVD Collection" for related ideas.

Yes, I do think that I am making progress in explaining my rational faith; for example, I have provided a reference to the "content-source problem", which will allow one to scientifically evaluate any inspired text. If my beliefs are not sound, I would naturally want you to supply evidence in that regard.

Also, I have done more reading and found that atheism is logically absurd:

"Atheism is incompatible with science because a brain that was produced by natural selection would have evolved to enhance survival not apprehend truth and it would not be a reliable tool for understanding anything."

"Thought is replaced by electro-chemical neural events. Two such events cannot confront each other in rational discourse. They are neither right nor wrong. The simply happen ... The very assertions of the reductionist himself are nothing but blips in the neural network of his brain. The world of rational discourse dissolves into the absurd chatter of firing synapses. Quite frankly, that cannot be right and none of us believes it to be so. "

"A third way materialism undermines science is that it makes a priori metaphysical assumptions in favor of naturalism that artificially limit the scope of science."

Video Lecture by John Lennox Explains why Atheism is a Delusion Incompatible with Science

In this post:
1) Belief in God, the creator of natural laws, does not conflict with belief in science, the study of natural laws.
2) Belief in religion and spirituality is enormously beneficial to the individual.
3) Atheism is incompatible with science because a brain that was produced by natural selection would have evolved to enhance survival not apprehend truth and it would not be a reliable tool for understanding anything.

Im sorry 0/10 troll you dont accept that kind of proof but when you show your "proof" of god existance wich is just a bunch of lies or fallacies if you will, then you defend that pile of shit posting it every 4 posts when no one, not even the religious people in this thread agreed with it

xD? How high does it go?

People operate with a focus on 3D. However, they themselves may easily be many dimension higher, spiritually. This is the reason science recognizes the existence of consciousness without recognizing that consciousness is beyond mind and brain, beyond 3D.

Extrapolating the dimension idea, how far do we have to go to extrapolate dimension into God? Or is God beyond dimensions? Perhaps He is both, dimensional and extra-dimensional.

The point is to compare our 3D existence to 4D or 5D.
These forces can't be proved, described, understood any more than a 2D could understand 3D; for it will always be a cross section.

Bitcoin is just the beginning of people realizing we are the creators of reality, finally we figured out we can create our own money; what's next 

Thank You,
Viz.

It is this way with government. All government is paper >> 2D. The 3D part is people using the 2D. Without people, government can do nothing. The question is, what right do some people have to rule over other people, since all are people >> 3D?

The closest thing that we have to 2D becoming 3D is Bitcoin. However, even in Bitcoin, the 2D has been put together by the 3D.

Matter reacts to your awareness of it, therefore what you perceive filters the information you can receive.

Life gets better bud 
Viz.

I don't know about God but the universe sure as hell is designed to make your life horrible.

Biggest point I'm trying to elucidate is you can't fit a sphere in a piece of paper, you can only represent an illusion of a sphere for a piece of paper is 2D and a sphere is 3D.

Similar logic can be applied in "proof" as 2D "proof" of a 3D sphere can only be a circle

Thank You,
Viz.

I like this post.

Although it's somewhat semantic, I've coined a phrase: "What one knows, he cannot prove.  What one can prove, he cannot know."

The reason I say it's somewhat semantic is because I'm talking specifically to claims made at a 100% level of confidence.  I can say, "The Sun feels warm" and know that claim to be true, so long as I directly experience the sensation of warmth from the Sun's rays.  However, there is no way to prove to someone else that the warm sensation exists.  I could take a thermometer and measure the temperature of the Sun's warmth and determine that it is "warm," relative to something else, but this just means that we are substituting evidence which indirectly suggests the Sun's rays are warm for the direct knowledge of the Sun's warmth experienced first-hand.

Agreed my friend

Viz.

You might be able to prove you exist to yourself. But after you don't exist any longer, you won't be able to prove anything.