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Quote from: QuestionAuthority on April 21, 2015, 04:25:52 PM

Proof that God exists is in all of the deformed innocent babies that are born in all those parts of the world that most believe in God. Historically, God has been very cruel and violent towards man. He treats us kind of like that ugly girlfriend that you hated in school. You didn't break up with her because she gave you the booty. You hated her and wanted a better girlfriend but couldn't get one so you just treated her like shit.

God shows his love for all those poor countries that believe in him by giving them a bunch of screwed up little monster babies.

Quote from: BADecker on April 21, 2015, 05:01:06 PM

Stop blaming God for the mess people got themselves into by using their free will. God gives freedom in free will. People use it to tell God they didn't want to be free in the first place. Quit fighting God. These kids in the pictures will be in Heaven with Him in joy and glory for all eternity. The few years they live here will be entirely forgotten. But if you attempt to fight God, you will wind up in agony for all eternity, even though you have a fun time here for a hundred years. And may God bless your poor soul if you are in agony here, and fight God at the same time... no joy whatsoever.

Oh I see, so it's the conjoined twins fault for choosing to be conjoined via their freewill.
Thanks for cleanly clearing that one up. For a second I thought you would of mumbled a torrent of utterly worthless drivel.

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Quote from: GTO911 on April 22, 2015, 01:50:00 AM

Im out guys, you guys are dumber than i thought

Bitcoin came out of thin air, nobody created it because i cannot see him Cheesy

FYI, you need to check up on the meaning of the word, 'fallacious' it does not mean, 'a tasty blow-job'.

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Im out guys, you guys are dumber than i thought

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Quote from: GTO911 on April 22, 2015, 12:54:22 AM

How did gravity even become a thing? Who decided there needs to be a gravitational power to keep us grounded? Did the earth decided itself?

Oh for fuck's sake, are you genuinely this ill-educated or just pretending to be?

Quote from: Vod on April 22, 2015, 01:03:49 AM

Try going to a museum

The 'Creation Museum' doesn't count, by the way, Xtians.

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Quote from: GTO911 on April 22, 2015, 12:54:22 AM

Whats even dumber is mentioning the church? Did my post had any link to a church?

"Churches" are the brainwash centers of your cult. You know what they are. Stop being dumb.

Try going to a museum or planetarium one Sunday instead of brainwashing yourself.

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Quote from: Vod on April 22, 2015, 12:31:50 AM

Science is something you can verify for yourself. You can let go of an apple and watch it fall to the ground - that's gravity and you can see it for yourself.

How did gravity even become a thing? Who decided there needs to be a gravitational power to keep us grounded? Did the earth decided itself?

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What's "dumb" is listening to the same gossip over and over (church) and eventually believing it as truth. You don't need to do anything - you don't need a lick of intelligence - all you need is to show up every Sunday and listen.

Whats even dumber is mentioning the church? Did my post had any link to a church?

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Quote from: GTO911 on April 21, 2015, 09:21:10 PM

No, there must be a creator, there are other unexplained things beyond the average mind who can only pull out just a dumb science card

Science is something you can verify for yourself. You can let go of an apple and watch it fall to the ground - that's gravity and you can see it for yourself.

What's "dumb" is listening to the same gossip over and over (church) and eventually believing it as truth. You don't need to do anything - you don't need a lick of intelligence - all you need is to show up every Sunday and listen.

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Quote from: GTO911 on April 21, 2015, 09:21:10 PM

Are you saying all the planets, the stars, the universe which we know 0.000000000001% about just came out of thin air? http://scaleofuniverse.com/

No, there must be a creator, there are other unexplained things beyond the average mind who can only pull out just a dumb science card

Look, I know you lot love to play your game of pretending-real-hard in order to convince yourself and each other of the validity of your 'facts', but please don't make statements like "there must be a creator", when the fact is there doesn't have to be a creator at all, a CREATION EVENT, yes, in terms of how this Universe came into existence, but it is a whole 'nother thing to fallaciously conclude that, because we don't know yet, then . . .god.

Put it this way, ANYTHING posited as a possible mechanism by which this Universe came to be is more likely than simply dreaming up some omnipotent deity, ANYTHING.

Seriously, to make a statement centered around our level of scientific advancement, by way of "we can't do [xxxx] so . . .god" is fallacious.

To make a statement centered around, "we don't know . . . therefore god" is fallacious.

Using your imagination to assert something as factual isn't just fallacious, it's utter bollocks.

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Whoever tells you that whatever science cant answer is fiction, mark them down as dumbest person ever.

Science is a study of limited understanding the human race has about this infinite universe. Humans dont know shit. Take for instance our blood, humans still cannot replicate usable blood Cheesy

Are you saying all the planets, the stars, the universe which we know 0.000000000001% about just came out of thin air? http://scaleofuniverse.com/

No, there must be a creator, there are other unexplained things beyond the average mind who can only pull out just a dumb science card

Now the problem is people sum up the creator in the limited amount of imagination they possess. God simply cannot be explained in words. Can you draw air?

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Everyone who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the universe – a spirit vastly superior to that of man - Albert Einstein

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There is but one all pervading spirit, and it is called the truth, It exists in all creation , and it has no fear, It does not hate and , it is timeless, universal and self-existent!

, You will come to know it through seeking knowledge and learning.
—(SGGS. Pg 1)

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He is not accessible through intellect, or through mere scholarship or cleverness at argument; He is met, when He pleases, through devotion" (SGGS, 436).

See the image, a speck of dust in the vastness of never ending existence, a little insignificant organism on this speck called human says he knows there is nothing beyond what he cant explain. How do you explain to an ant that humans can think too? You cannot

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Quote from: BADecker on April 21, 2015, 05:01:06 PM

Stop blaming God for the mess people got themselves into by using their free will. God gives freedom in free will. People use it to tell God they didn't want to be free in the first place. Quit fighting God. These kids in the pictures will be in Heaven with Him in joy and glory for all eternity. The few years they live here will be entirely forgotten. But if you attempt to fight God, you will wind up in agony for all eternity, even though you have a fun time here for a hundred years. And may God bless your poor soul if you are in agony here, and fight God at the same time... no joy whatsoever.

Those babies are a blessing and proof of HIS love for humanity.

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Stop blaming God for the mess people got themselves into by using their free will. God gives freedom in free will. People use it to tell God they didn't want to be free in the first place. Quit fighting God. These kids in the pictures will be in Heaven with Him in joy and glory for all eternity. The few years they live here will be entirely forgotten. But if you attempt to fight God, you will wind up in agony for all eternity, even though you have a fun time here for a hundred years. And may God bless your poor soul if you are in agony here, and fight God at the same time... no joy whatsoever.

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Proof that God exists is in all of the deformed innocent babies that are born in all those parts of the world that most believe in God. Historically, God has been very cruel and violent towards man. He treats us kind of like that ugly girlfriend that you hated in school. You didn't break up with her because she gave you the booty. You hated her and wanted a better girlfriend but couldn't get one so you just treated her like shit.

God shows his love for all those poor countries that believe in him by giving them a bunch of screwed up little monster babies.

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I am a believer of god and think god is real. Most people will disagree with the concept of god because they would rather physically see or hear him. They dont like hearing what other people say.

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Quote from: Pentax on April 21, 2015, 12:45:50 PM

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Quote from: BADecker on April 21, 2015, 12:08:01 PM

Quote from: Pentax on April 21, 2015, 11:41:23 AM

I say so.

Definitive proof ^^^^^ that neither side can 'prove' anything.

Something as complex (the doctors can't fix the kid, yet he exists) and wonderful (the kid is feeling so much joy in life that he moves ahead rather than pining away, looking for suicide) as life, shows that the design was intelligently done. Since the design is way beyond man's understanding (doctors can't cure the kid; people still live only for a max of a little over 100 years), this shows the existence of God, by the definition of the word "God."

The fact that the kid and others (all of us) have problems in life shows that there is intelligent design that is way ahead of man, that is not God, that causes destruction. We call this malevolence the devil. The fact that the kid (and most of us) is overcoming the wicked work of the devil, shows that God is alive in us and is more powerful than the devil.

We live only a relatively short life. God is not leaving us here without salvation from problems and pain. God is offering us through the words of the Bible, a means for salvation.

When this life is done for us, it is absolutely done for us. Even if someone thinks there is reincarnation, no reincarnated being has ever returned in a way that is the same as what it was when it left this life. Therefore we don't really know that there is reincarnation.

God tells us in the Bible that when this life is done, it is done. There will come a time that God will destroy this whole universe because of the corruption that the devil placed into it. But, because of the love God has for us, He has designed a new universe where no corruption will be able to enter. He invites us to join Him in that new universe by accepting the work of salvation that Jesus, God's Son, did for us on the cross.

Accept or reject. Your choice. Life or death. Your choice. If you choose death, because of how deeply we are imbedded in this universe (way beyond the simple understandings of man), your real death (soul death; identity death) will be absolutely the exact opposite of fun. And it won't be God's fault, because He is offering you salvation as explained in the Bible.

Proof for God? See https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395.

All that is interesting. But does not provide 'proof'.

If there is such a proof, it is not in the bible, it is not in commonly held beliefs, it is in the commonality of experience described by those that claim to have been 'touched' or 'born again' or whathaveyou.

That has gone on since time began and continues to this day. No question, no doubt. But is that even 'proof'? not solid, irrefutable proof, no.

There are many others who accept it as proof. Your choice for you.

The "proof" is not complete in every way. We probably couldn't understand the proof if we saw it all, it is that deep and complex. Because of this, most of the religions talk about having faith. Bible explains that faith is the most important thing for joining God in the new universe.

What is faith? Faith is seeing that God exists (not blind faith), and accepting that He speaks the truth, trusting that He is not lying.

Stuff exists. There is NOTHING that explains where things come from that has more provable foundation than the idea of God. Certainly, when you look at the FACTS in scientific papers, they don't explain FACTUALLY any method for the existence of stuff. They have lots of THEORIES, but little fact. God is the best explanation that overcomes any other that we have so far.

Maybe maybe not in terms of being able to 'understand' proof.

In terms of the existence of matter, it is difficult to explain away the appearance of matter from nothing, although taking that a step further then, how it is possible to explain the existence of a God that created it. Where did it come from then?

What I know is that mankind knows precious little about the universe and thinks he has a lot of it figured out. We have a long way to go before we can posit much of anything. Like critters crawling out of the oceans on questions such as these.

I call BS on the emboldened section.

Logic is a predicate for truth. We have full access to the rules and limits of logical reasoning. These rules and limits are knowable independent of experience, and therefore constitute 'a priori' knowledge by definition.

Being able to know and posit truth is not dependent on 'how far we go,' nor is it dependent upon how far we've come. It's simply about being able to form true statements based upon known, logical predicates.

This is why you see a philosophical basis for modern scientific knowledge in ancient texts from literally every part of the globe. For example, from a purely logical basis, the Buddhists had an acute awareness of fundamental, elementary particles, as well as an awareness of relationships between physical and metaphysical components: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_atomism

No scientific method, no microscopes, and yet their knowledge is eerily similar to our modern day understanding of the interplay between physics and metaphysics. This isn't a coincidence. The scientific method is utterly dependent upon pure philosophical reasoning, and in fact could not function whatsoever without a purely philosophical foundation that is in no way rooted in empiricism (but rather is rooted in the total absence of empiricism, and necessarily so -- see Hume).

Furthermore, if a philosophical model or theory reconciles contradictory empirical theories (and they are numerous), the philosophical model wins by default. Keeping all else equal, philosophy > empiricism, which makes perfect sense since empiricism is only a philosophical subset.

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Quote from: BADecker on April 21, 2015, 01:08:42 PM

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Quote from: BADecker on April 21, 2015, 12:08:01 PM

Quote from: Pentax on April 21, 2015, 11:41:23 AM

I say so.

Definitive proof ^^^^^ that neither side can 'prove' anything.

Something as complex (the doctors can't fix the kid, yet he exists) and wonderful (the kid is feeling so much joy in life that he moves ahead rather than pining away, looking for suicide) as life, shows that the design was intelligently done. Since the design is way beyond man's understanding (doctors can't cure the kid; people still live only for a max of a little over 100 years), this shows the existence of God, by the definition of the word "God."

The fact that the kid and others (all of us) have problems in life shows that there is intelligent design that is way ahead of man, that is not God, that causes destruction. We call this malevolence the devil. The fact that the kid (and most of us) is overcoming the wicked work of the devil, shows that God is alive in us and is more powerful than the devil.

We live only a relatively short life. God is not leaving us here without salvation from problems and pain. God is offering us through the words of the Bible, a means for salvation.

When this life is done for us, it is absolutely done for us. Even if someone thinks there is reincarnation, no reincarnated being has ever returned in a way that is the same as what it was when it left this life. Therefore we don't really know that there is reincarnation.

God tells us in the Bible that when this life is done, it is done. There will come a time that God will destroy this whole universe because of the corruption that the devil placed into it. But, because of the love God has for us, He has designed a new universe where no corruption will be able to enter. He invites us to join Him in that new universe by accepting the work of salvation that Jesus, God's Son, did for us on the cross.

Accept or reject. Your choice. Life or death. Your choice. If you choose death, because of how deeply we are imbedded in this universe (way beyond the simple understandings of man), your real death (soul death; identity death) will be absolutely the exact opposite of fun. And it won't be God's fault, because He is offering you salvation as explained in the Bible.

Proof for God? See https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395.

All that is interesting. But does not provide 'proof'.

If there is such a proof, it is not in the bible, it is not in commonly held beliefs, it is in the commonality of experience described by those that claim to have been 'touched' or 'born again' or whathaveyou.

That has gone on since time began and continues to this day. No question, no doubt. But is that even 'proof'? not solid, irrefutable proof, no.

There are many others who accept it as proof. Your choice for you.

The "proof" is not complete in every way. We probably couldn't understand the proof if we saw it all, it is that deep and complex. Because of this, most of the religions talk about having faith. Bible explains that faith is the most important thing for joining God in the new universe.

What is faith? Faith is seeing that God exists (not blind faith), and accepting that He speaks the truth, trusting that He is not lying.

Stuff exists. There is NOTHING that explains where things come from that has more provable foundation than the idea of God. Certainly, when you look at the FACTS in scientific papers, they don't explain FACTUALLY any method for the existence of stuff. They have lots of THEORIES, but little fact. God is the best explanation that overcomes any other that we have so far.

Maybe maybe not in terms of being able to 'understand' proof.

In terms of the existence of matter, it is difficult to explain away the appearance of matter from nothing, although taking that a step further then, how it is possible to explain the existence of a God that created it. Where did it come from then?

What I know is that mankind knows precious little about the universe and thinks he has a lot of it figured out. We have a long way to go before we can posit much of anything. Like critters crawling out of the oceans on questions such as these.

Questions like where God came from is a little like the ant in the terrarium, or the goldfish in the fishbowl, asking where their present habitat came from, or if the thing that they see through the glass is God.

How long will it take these critters to figure out anything about their habitat, except to use what is provided for them. God may be correspondingly that much greater than we are. At this stage of the game, the question about where God came from might not even be an appropriate (or even accurate) question. We simply don't know.

I don't see any harm in questioning everything, including where God came from, given the assumption that It is indeed there.

Questions are easy. Answers aren't quite as easy to come by, seems to me.

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Quote from: BADecker on April 21, 2015, 12:08:01 PM

Quote from: Pentax on April 21, 2015, 11:41:23 AM

I say so.

Definitive proof ^^^^^ that neither side can 'prove' anything.

Something as complex (the doctors can't fix the kid, yet he exists) and wonderful (the kid is feeling so much joy in life that he moves ahead rather than pining away, looking for suicide) as life, shows that the design was intelligently done. Since the design is way beyond man's understanding (doctors can't cure the kid; people still live only for a max of a little over 100 years), this shows the existence of God, by the definition of the word "God."

The fact that the kid and others (all of us) have problems in life shows that there is intelligent design that is way ahead of man, that is not God, that causes destruction. We call this malevolence the devil. The fact that the kid (and most of us) is overcoming the wicked work of the devil, shows that God is alive in us and is more powerful than the devil.

We live only a relatively short life. God is not leaving us here without salvation from problems and pain. God is offering us through the words of the Bible, a means for salvation.

When this life is done for us, it is absolutely done for us. Even if someone thinks there is reincarnation, no reincarnated being has ever returned in a way that is the same as what it was when it left this life. Therefore we don't really know that there is reincarnation.

God tells us in the Bible that when this life is done, it is done. There will come a time that God will destroy this whole universe because of the corruption that the devil placed into it. But, because of the love God has for us, He has designed a new universe where no corruption will be able to enter. He invites us to join Him in that new universe by accepting the work of salvation that Jesus, God's Son, did for us on the cross.

Accept or reject. Your choice. Life or death. Your choice. If you choose death, because of how deeply we are imbedded in this universe (way beyond the simple understandings of man), your real death (soul death; identity death) will be absolutely the exact opposite of fun. And it won't be God's fault, because He is offering you salvation as explained in the Bible.

Proof for God? See https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395.

Feeling joy you say, seems like you didnt watch the part where he says he is in constant pain even when sleeping, now why would god let someone go through that? Why would he let us see it and wonder why he does it if he knows we will why would he give us this thoughts against him if he knows everything? Why am i questioning his existence right now when he could just prove me wrong at any second with his powers?

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Quote from: Pentax on April 21, 2015, 12:45:50 PM

Quote from: BADecker on April 21, 2015, 12:27:33 PM

Quote from: Pentax on April 21, 2015, 12:12:45 PM

Quote from: BADecker on April 21, 2015, 12:08:01 PM

Quote from: Pentax on April 21, 2015, 11:41:23 AM

I say so.

Definitive proof ^^^^^ that neither side can 'prove' anything.

Something as complex (the doctors can't fix the kid, yet he exists) and wonderful (the kid is feeling so much joy in life that he moves ahead rather than pining away, looking for suicide) as life, shows that the design was intelligently done. Since the design is way beyond man's understanding (doctors can't cure the kid; people still live only for a max of a little over 100 years), this shows the existence of God, by the definition of the word "God."

The fact that the kid and others (all of us) have problems in life shows that there is intelligent design that is way ahead of man, that is not God, that causes destruction. We call this malevolence the devil. The fact that the kid (and most of us) is overcoming the wicked work of the devil, shows that God is alive in us and is more powerful than the devil.

We live only a relatively short life. God is not leaving us here without salvation from problems and pain. God is offering us through the words of the Bible, a means for salvation.

When this life is done for us, it is absolutely done for us. Even if someone thinks there is reincarnation, no reincarnated being has ever returned in a way that is the same as what it was when it left this life. Therefore we don't really know that there is reincarnation.

God tells us in the Bible that when this life is done, it is done. There will come a time that God will destroy this whole universe because of the corruption that the devil placed into it. But, because of the love God has for us, He has designed a new universe where no corruption will be able to enter. He invites us to join Him in that new universe by accepting the work of salvation that Jesus, God's Son, did for us on the cross.

Accept or reject. Your choice. Life or death. Your choice. If you choose death, because of how deeply we are imbedded in this universe (way beyond the simple understandings of man), your real death (soul death; identity death) will be absolutely the exact opposite of fun. And it won't be God's fault, because He is offering you salvation as explained in the Bible.

Proof for God? See https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395.

All that is interesting. But does not provide 'proof'.

If there is such a proof, it is not in the bible, it is not in commonly held beliefs, it is in the commonality of experience described by those that claim to have been 'touched' or 'born again' or whathaveyou.

That has gone on since time began and continues to this day. No question, no doubt. But is that even 'proof'? not solid, irrefutable proof, no.

There are many others who accept it as proof. Your choice for you.

The "proof" is not complete in every way. We probably couldn't understand the proof if we saw it all, it is that deep and complex. Because of this, most of the religions talk about having faith. Bible explains that faith is the most important thing for joining God in the new universe.

What is faith? Faith is seeing that God exists (not blind faith), and accepting that He speaks the truth, trusting that He is not lying.

Stuff exists. There is NOTHING that explains where things come from that has more provable foundation than the idea of God. Certainly, when you look at the FACTS in scientific papers, they don't explain FACTUALLY any method for the existence of stuff. They have lots of THEORIES, but little fact. God is the best explanation that overcomes any other that we have so far.

Maybe maybe not in terms of being able to 'understand' proof.

In terms of the existence of matter, it is difficult to explain away the appearance of matter from nothing, although taking that a step further then, how it is possible to explain the existence of a God that created it. Where did it come from then?

What I know is that mankind knows precious little about the universe and thinks he has a lot of it figured out. We have a long way to go before we can posit much of anything. Like critters crawling out of the oceans on questions such as these.

Questions like where God came from is a little like the ant in the terrarium, or the goldfish in the fishbowl, asking where their present habitat came from, or if the thing that they see through the glass is God.

How long will it take these critters to figure out anything about their habitat, except to use what is provided for them. God may be correspondingly that much greater than we are. At this stage of the game, the question about where God came from might not even be an appropriate (or even accurate) question. We simply don't know.

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Quote from: BADecker on April 21, 2015, 12:27:33 PM

Quote from: Pentax on April 21, 2015, 12:12:45 PM

Quote from: BADecker on April 21, 2015, 12:08:01 PM

Quote from: Pentax on April 21, 2015, 11:41:23 AM

I say so.

Definitive proof ^^^^^ that neither side can 'prove' anything.

Something as complex (the doctors can't fix the kid, yet he exists) and wonderful (the kid is feeling so much joy in life that he moves ahead rather than pining away, looking for suicide) as life, shows that the design was intelligently done. Since the design is way beyond man's understanding (doctors can't cure the kid; people still live only for a max of a little over 100 years), this shows the existence of God, by the definition of the word "God."

The fact that the kid and others (all of us) have problems in life shows that there is intelligent design that is way ahead of man, that is not God, that causes destruction. We call this malevolence the devil. The fact that the kid (and most of us) is overcoming the wicked work of the devil, shows that God is alive in us and is more powerful than the devil.

We live only a relatively short life. God is not leaving us here without salvation from problems and pain. God is offering us through the words of the Bible, a means for salvation.

When this life is done for us, it is absolutely done for us. Even if someone thinks there is reincarnation, no reincarnated being has ever returned in a way that is the same as what it was when it left this life. Therefore we don't really know that there is reincarnation.

God tells us in the Bible that when this life is done, it is done. There will come a time that God will destroy this whole universe because of the corruption that the devil placed into it. But, because of the love God has for us, He has designed a new universe where no corruption will be able to enter. He invites us to join Him in that new universe by accepting the work of salvation that Jesus, God's Son, did for us on the cross.

Accept or reject. Your choice. Life or death. Your choice. If you choose death, because of how deeply we are imbedded in this universe (way beyond the simple understandings of man), your real death (soul death; identity death) will be absolutely the exact opposite of fun. And it won't be God's fault, because He is offering you salvation as explained in the Bible.

Proof for God? See https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395.

All that is interesting. But does not provide 'proof'.

If there is such a proof, it is not in the bible, it is not in commonly held beliefs, it is in the commonality of experience described by those that claim to have been 'touched' or 'born again' or whathaveyou.

That has gone on since time began and continues to this day. No question, no doubt. But is that even 'proof'? not solid, irrefutable proof, no.

There are many others who accept it as proof. Your choice for you.

The "proof" is not complete in every way. We probably couldn't understand the proof if we saw it all, it is that deep and complex. Because of this, most of the religions talk about having faith. Bible explains that faith is the most important thing for joining God in the new universe.

What is faith? Faith is seeing that God exists (not blind faith), and accepting that He speaks the truth, trusting that He is not lying.

Stuff exists. There is NOTHING that explains where things come from that has more provable foundation than the idea of God. Certainly, when you look at the FACTS in scientific papers, they don't explain FACTUALLY any method for the existence of stuff. They have lots of THEORIES, but little fact. God is the best explanation that overcomes any other that we have so far.

Maybe maybe not in terms of being able to 'understand' proof.

In terms of the existence of matter, it is difficult to explain away the appearance of matter from nothing, although taking that a step further then, how it is possible to explain the existence of a God that created it. Where did it come from then?

What I know is that mankind knows precious little about the universe and thinks he has a lot of it figured out. We have a long way to go before we can posit much of anything. Like critters crawling out of the oceans on questions such as these.

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Quote from: BADecker on April 21, 2015, 12:08:01 PM

Quote from: Pentax on April 21, 2015, 11:41:23 AM

I say so.

Definitive proof ^^^^^ that neither side can 'prove' anything.

Something as complex (the doctors can't fix the kid, yet he exists) and wonderful (the kid is feeling so much joy in life that he moves ahead rather than pining away, looking for suicide) as life, shows that the design was intelligently done. Since the design is way beyond man's understanding (doctors can't cure the kid; people still live only for a max of a little over 100 years), this shows the existence of God, by the definition of the word "God."

The fact that the kid and others (all of us) have problems in life shows that there is intelligent design that is way ahead of man, that is not God, that causes destruction. We call this malevolence the devil. The fact that the kid (and most of us) is overcoming the wicked work of the devil, shows that God is alive in us and is more powerful than the devil.

We live only a relatively short life. God is not leaving us here without salvation from problems and pain. God is offering us through the words of the Bible, a means for salvation.

When this life is done for us, it is absolutely done for us. Even if someone thinks there is reincarnation, no reincarnated being has ever returned in a way that is the same as what it was when it left this life. Therefore we don't really know that there is reincarnation.

God tells us in the Bible that when this life is done, it is done. There will come a time that God will destroy this whole universe because of the corruption that the devil placed into it. But, because of the love God has for us, He has designed a new universe where no corruption will be able to enter. He invites us to join Him in that new universe by accepting the work of salvation that Jesus, God's Son, did for us on the cross.

Accept or reject. Your choice. Life or death. Your choice. If you choose death, because of how deeply we are imbedded in this universe (way beyond the simple understandings of man), your real death (soul death; identity death) will be absolutely the exact opposite of fun. And it won't be God's fault, because He is offering you salvation as explained in the Bible.

Proof for God? See https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395.

All that is interesting. But does not provide 'proof'.

If there is such a proof, it is not in the bible, it is not in commonly held beliefs, it is in the commonality of experience described by those that claim to have been 'touched' or 'born again' or whathaveyou.

That has gone on since time began and continues to this day. No question, no doubt. But is that even 'proof'? not solid, irrefutable proof, no.

There are many others who accept it as proof. Your choice for you.

The "proof" is not complete in every way. We probably couldn't understand the proof if we saw it all, it is that deep and complex. Because of this, most of the religions talk about having faith. Bible explains that faith is the most important thing for joining God in the new universe.

What is faith? Faith is seeing that God exists (not blind faith), and accepting that He speaks the truth, trusting that He is not lying.

Stuff exists. There is NOTHING that explains where things come from that has more provable foundation than the idea of God. Certainly, when you look at the FACTS in scientific papers, they don't explain FACTUALLY any method for the existence of stuff. They have lots of THEORIES, but little fact. God is the best explanation that overcomes any other that we have so far.

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Quote from: BADecker on April 21, 2015, 12:08:01 PM

Quote from: Pentax on April 21, 2015, 11:41:23 AM

I say so.

Definitive proof ^^^^^ that neither side can 'prove' anything.

Something as complex (the doctors can't fix the kid, yet he exists) and wonderful (the kid is feeling so much joy in life that he moves ahead rather than pining away, looking for suicide) as life, shows that the design was intelligently done. Since the design is way beyond man's understanding (doctors can't cure the kid; people still live only for a max of a little over 100 years), this shows the existence of God, by the definition of the word "God."

The fact that the kid and others (all of us) have problems in life shows that there is intelligent design that is way ahead of man, that is not God, that causes destruction. We call this malevolence the devil. The fact that the kid (and most of us) is overcoming the wicked work of the devil, shows that God is alive in us and is more powerful than the devil.

We live only a relatively short life. God is not leaving us here without salvation from problems and pain. God is offering us through the words of the Bible, a means for salvation.

When this life is done for us, it is absolutely done for us. Even if someone thinks there is reincarnation, no reincarnated being has ever returned in a way that is the same as what it was when it left this life. Therefore we don't really know that there is reincarnation.

God tells us in the Bible that when this life is done, it is done. There will come a time that God will destroy this whole universe because of the corruption that the devil placed into it. But, because of the love God has for us, He has designed a new universe where no corruption will be able to enter. He invites us to join Him in that new universe by accepting the work of salvation that Jesus, God's Son, did for us on the cross.

Accept or reject. Your choice. Life or death. Your choice. If you choose death, because of how deeply we are imbedded in this universe (way beyond the simple understandings of man), your real death (soul death; identity death) will be absolutely the exact opposite of fun. And it won't be God's fault, because He is offering you salvation as explained in the Bible.

Proof for God? See https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395.

All that is interesting. But does not provide 'proof'.

If there is such a proof, it is not in the bible, it is not in commonly held beliefs, it is in the commonality of experience described by those that claim to have been 'touched' or 'born again' or whathaveyou.

That has gone on since time began and continues to this day. No question, no doubt. But is that even 'proof'? not solid, irrefutable proof, no.

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