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legendary
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March 29, 2015, 12:40:15 PM

Hey you wanted to make a list of fallacies in that link? You dont need to, here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

You can find them all.


This makes me smile lol

The list isn't complete.   Smiley

Maybe, but it has all your fallacies in it Smiley

If the list had the biggest fallacy of all, it wouldn't be worthy anything... even though it isn't worth much as it is. The biggest fallacy? Itself.

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You dont know what to say anymore seems, and you are just posting a bunch of nonsense, too bad you cant keep posting your link full of fallacies anymore, you gotta find something else to spam now.

If you say my stuff at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395 is fallacies, there are only two reasons for it:
1. You are simply against the truth;
2. You are against the truth and aren't smart enough to think your way through it, or probably even out of a wet paper bag.

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Or 3. Understand god cannot be proven by science.
legendary
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March 29, 2015, 12:36:18 PM

Hey you wanted to make a list of fallacies in that link? You dont need to, here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

You can find them all.


This makes me smile lol

The list isn't complete.   Smiley

Maybe, but it has all your fallacies in it Smiley

If the list had the biggest fallacy of all, it wouldn't be worthy anything... even though it isn't worth much as it is. The biggest fallacy? Itself.

Smiley

You dont know what to say anymore seems, and you are just posting a bunch of nonsense, too bad you cant keep posting your link full of fallacies anymore, you gotta find something else to spam now.

If you say my stuff at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395 is fallacies, there are only two reasons for it:
1. You are simply against the truth;
2. You are against the truth and aren't smart enough to think your way through it, or probably even out of a wet paper bag.

Smiley
hero member
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March 29, 2015, 12:29:16 PM

Hey you wanted to make a list of fallacies in that link? You dont need to, here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

You can find them all.


This makes me smile lol

The list isn't complete.   Smiley

Maybe, but it has all your fallacies in it Smiley

If the list had the biggest fallacy of all, it wouldn't be worthy anything... even though it isn't worth much as it is. The biggest fallacy? Itself.

Smiley

You dont know what to say anymore seems, and you are just posting a bunch of nonsense, too bad you cant keep posting your link full of fallacies anymore, you gotta find something else to spam now.
legendary
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March 29, 2015, 12:20:30 PM

Hey you wanted to make a list of fallacies in that link? You dont need to, here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

You can find them all.


This makes me smile lol

The list isn't complete.   Smiley

Maybe, but it has all your fallacies in it Smiley

If the list had the biggest fallacy of all, it wouldn't be worthy anything... even though it isn't worth much as it is. The biggest fallacy? Itself.

Smiley
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March 29, 2015, 03:45:59 AM

So then according to your logic, the devil has some power over god, since he created destruction. And also, you contradicted yourself, again, you said earlier that God created nature which you believe to be supernatural. The definition of destruction is: the action or process of causing so much damage to something that it no longer exists or cannot be repaired. That can pertain to death, disease, etc, all of which are apart of nature. But, you said the devil created destruction not god, but then you earlier said that god created nature...Which one is it? You're basically putting the devil in the bible on parity with god in the bible. Wow, are you really this clueless?

Besides that, have you honestly even read the bible to which you mindlessly believe in? The god in the bible has destroyed more innocent people than Satan did. Yes read that again, the god in the bible has killed more innocent people than the devil in the bible. He's killed innocent children, old women, old men, young men, animals, but not young women, he left them to get raped.

Face it, he's an evil god. Your own words are hurting your nonsensical argument.

Read this and go through your dear bible, http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2010/04/drunk-with-blood-gods-killings-in-bible.html

You are completely mistaken.

What God? You seem to believe that God exists after all. Since you believe He exists, why don't you start some new threads regarding His attributes and the way things work, so that people can find out all about Him? That way we can save this thread for what it asks, scientific proof that God exists, as I have at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395.

Smiley

Hey you wanted to make a list of fallacies in that link? You dont need to, here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

You can find them all.


This makes me smile lol

The list isn't complete.   Smiley

Maybe, but it has all your fallacies in it Smiley
legendary
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March 28, 2015, 10:45:15 PM

So then according to your logic, the devil has some power over god, since he created destruction. And also, you contradicted yourself, again, you said earlier that God created nature which you believe to be supernatural. The definition of destruction is: the action or process of causing so much damage to something that it no longer exists or cannot be repaired. That can pertain to death, disease, etc, all of which are apart of nature. But, you said the devil created destruction not god, but then you earlier said that god created nature...Which one is it? You're basically putting the devil in the bible on parity with god in the bible. Wow, are you really this clueless?

Besides that, have you honestly even read the bible to which you mindlessly believe in? The god in the bible has destroyed more innocent people than Satan did. Yes read that again, the god in the bible has killed more innocent people than the devil in the bible. He's killed innocent children, old women, old men, young men, animals, but not young women, he left them to get raped.

Face it, he's an evil god. Your own words are hurting your nonsensical argument.

Read this and go through your dear bible, http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2010/04/drunk-with-blood-gods-killings-in-bible.html

You are completely mistaken.

What God? You seem to believe that God exists after all. Since you believe He exists, why don't you start some new threads regarding His attributes and the way things work, so that people can find out all about Him? That way we can save this thread for what it asks, scientific proof that God exists, as I have at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395.

Smiley

Hey you wanted to make a list of fallacies in that link? You dont need to, here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

You can find them all.


This makes me smile lol

The list isn't complete.   Smiley
legendary
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March 28, 2015, 10:43:20 PM
Still waiting for the scientific proof. After all the thred is called that. Almost 200 pages with ribbish? Where is the proof?

The problem with the idea of proof is, people are built in ways that make them so extremely stubborn that millions of pieces of evidence could jump right up and bite them in the left eye, and that still wouldn't be proof for them.

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Quote from: “Proof by Mathematical Induction.” California State University. sec.: 2. 09 Mar. 235. link=http://zimmer.csufresno.edu/~larryc/proofs/proofs.mathinduction.html
The Math Induction Strategy

Mathematical Induction works like this: Suppose you want to prove a theorem in the form "For all integers n greater than equal to a, P(n) is true". P(n) must be an assertion that we wish to be true for all n = a, a+1, ...; like a formula. You first verify the initial step. That is, you must verify that P(a) is true. Next comes the inductive step. Here you must prove "If there is a k, greater than or equal to a, for which P(k) is true, then for this same k, P(k+1) is true."

Since you have verified P(a), it follows from the inductive step that P(a+1) is true, and hence, P(a+2) is true, and hence P(a+3) is true, and so on. In this way the theorem has been proved.

(Red colorization mine.)

“The problem with the idea of proof is” (BADecker) that infinite physical evidence cannot be considered, simultaneously, by a finite physical system.

Yet the qualities of the finite system can strongly suggest that there is an infinite system.

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Code:
𝑘 ∶ *0 = 𝑘 ⁄ *0 = 𝑘(1 ⁄ *0) = 𝑘*0⁻¹ = 𝑘(0 + ⅟₀)⁻¹ = 𝑘⅟₀⁻¹ = 𝑘(0⁻¹)⁻¹ = 𝑘0⁻¹⁽⁻¹⁾ = 𝑘0¹ = 𝑘0 = 0

Finite evidence (here, “suggest[ion]” [BADecker]) equates to a lack of evidence relative to absolute evidence.

The same qualities in people that cause them to seek out information, and test out new math, and determine the principles of quantum mechanics probability so that it can suggest almost anything, are the exact principles of scientific proof for many things, even though these qualities may not have been set to exact science, yet. If we didn't have them, there would be no science whatsoever.

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legendary
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March 28, 2015, 04:11:50 AM

So then according to your logic, the devil has some power over god, since he created destruction. And also, you contradicted yourself, again, you said earlier that God created nature which you believe to be supernatural. The definition of destruction is: the action or process of causing so much damage to something that it no longer exists or cannot be repaired. That can pertain to death, disease, etc, all of which are apart of nature. But, you said the devil created destruction not god, but then you earlier said that god created nature...Which one is it? You're basically putting the devil in the bible on parity with god in the bible. Wow, are you really this clueless?

Besides that, have you honestly even read the bible to which you mindlessly believe in? The god in the bible has destroyed more innocent people than Satan did. Yes read that again, the god in the bible has killed more innocent people than the devil in the bible. He's killed innocent children, old women, old men, young men, animals, but not young women, he left them to get raped.

Face it, he's an evil god. Your own words are hurting your nonsensical argument.

Read this and go through your dear bible, http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2010/04/drunk-with-blood-gods-killings-in-bible.html

You are completely mistaken.

What God? You seem to believe that God exists after all. Since you believe He exists, why don't you start some new threads regarding His attributes and the way things work, so that people can find out all about Him? That way we can save this thread for what it asks, scientific proof that God exists, as I have at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395.

Smiley

Hey you wanted to make a list of fallacies in that link? You dont need to, here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

You can find them all.


This makes me smile lol
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legendary
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March 28, 2015, 04:01:42 AM
Sunday tomorrow.
BADecker is going to be in big trouble for not achieving his target of new recruits for his religious pyramid scheme.


His cult is very forgiving... as long as he is trying...
legendary
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March 28, 2015, 03:46:57 AM
Sunday tomorrow.
BADecker is going to be in big trouble for not achieving his target of new recruits for his religious pyramid scheme.
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March 28, 2015, 03:38:09 AM

So then according to your logic, the devil has some power over god, since he created destruction. And also, you contradicted yourself, again, you said earlier that God created nature which you believe to be supernatural. The definition of destruction is: the action or process of causing so much damage to something that it no longer exists or cannot be repaired. That can pertain to death, disease, etc, all of which are apart of nature. But, you said the devil created destruction not god, but then you earlier said that god created nature...Which one is it? You're basically putting the devil in the bible on parity with god in the bible. Wow, are you really this clueless?

Besides that, have you honestly even read the bible to which you mindlessly believe in? The god in the bible has destroyed more innocent people than Satan did. Yes read that again, the god in the bible has killed more innocent people than the devil in the bible. He's killed innocent children, old women, old men, young men, animals, but not young women, he left them to get raped.

Face it, he's an evil god. Your own words are hurting your nonsensical argument.

Read this and go through your dear bible, http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2010/04/drunk-with-blood-gods-killings-in-bible.html

You are completely mistaken.

What God? You seem to believe that God exists after all. Since you believe He exists, why don't you start some new threads regarding His attributes and the way things work, so that people can find out all about Him? That way we can save this thread for what it asks, scientific proof that God exists, as I have at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395.

Smiley

Hey you wanted to make a list of fallacies in that link? You dont need to, here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

You can find them all.
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March 27, 2015, 10:37:18 PM

So then according to your logic, the devil has some power over god, since he created destruction. And also, you contradicted yourself, again, you said earlier that God created nature which you believe to be supernatural. The definition of destruction is: the action or process of causing so much damage to something that it no longer exists or cannot be repaired. That can pertain to death, disease, etc, all of which are apart of nature. But, you said the devil created destruction not god, but then you earlier said that god created nature...Which one is it? You're basically putting the devil in the bible on parity with god in the bible. Wow, are you really this clueless?

Besides that, have you honestly even read the bible to which you mindlessly believe in? The god in the bible has destroyed more innocent people than Satan did. Yes read that again, the god in the bible has killed more innocent people than the devil in the bible. He's killed innocent children, old women, old men, young men, animals, but not young women, he left them to get raped.

Face it, he's an evil god. Your own words are hurting your nonsensical argument.

Read this and go through your dear bible, http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2010/04/drunk-with-blood-gods-killings-in-bible.html

You are completely mistaken.

What God? You seem to believe that God exists after all. Since you believe He exists, why don't you start some new threads regarding His attributes and the way things work, so that people can find out all about Him? That way we can save this thread for what it asks, scientific proof that God exists.

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The "god" I "believe" in isn't a god in the traditional monotheistic sense, just a "higher being". It doesn't have omnipotence nor the attribute of being "infinite", since in my view those are flawed concepts of language(And don't actually exist). My belief also doesn't stem from blind faith(ignorance), but"logic". In my view, it's either there's a "god" with the abilities of omniscience and omnipresence(Like a video game designer, and we are the characters in the video game) or there is no god. It's not even that I so much as "believe", it's that at this moment, I find it plausible for such a thing. One day when we learn more about the universe, then even the belief that there might be a higher being might become void and even now I entirely agree that the arguments against the existence of a god, any type, far outweighs the arguments for the existence of a god.

The god of the bible almost certainly doesn't exist they way the followers of the bible believe him to. In the bible he's a ruthless, merciless killer, yet followers disregard those aspects and present him incorrectly as a merciful, benevolent god(Probably because most of them grow up religious because of their parents/relatives, and havent actually read the bible thoroughly).

Overall, all religions are probably wrong in their beliefs.
legendary
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March 27, 2015, 10:33:49 PM

So then according to your logic, the devil has some power over god, since he created destruction. And also, you contradicted yourself, again, you said earlier that God created nature which you believe to be supernatural. The definition of destruction is: the action or process of causing so much damage to something that it no longer exists or cannot be repaired. That can pertain to death, disease, etc, all of which are apart of nature. But, you said the devil created destruction not god, but then you earlier said that god created nature...Which one is it? You're basically putting the devil in the bible on parity with god in the bible. Wow, are you really this clueless?

Besides that, have you honestly even read the bible to which you mindlessly believe in? The god in the bible has destroyed more innocent people than Satan did. Yes read that again, the god in the bible has killed more innocent people than the devil in the bible. He's killed innocent children, old women, old men, young men, animals, but not young women, he left them to get raped.

Face it, he's an evil god. Your own words are hurting your nonsensical argument.

Read this and go through your dear bible, http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2010/04/drunk-with-blood-gods-killings-in-bible.html

You are completely mistaken.

What God? You seem to believe that God exists after all. Since you believe He exists, why don't you start some new threads regarding His attributes and the way things work, so that people can find out all about Him? That way we can save this thread for what it asks, scientific proof that God exists, as I have at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395.

Smiley
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legendary
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March 27, 2015, 08:14:40 PM
Besides that, have you honestly even read the bible to which you mindlessly believe in? The god in the bible has destroyed more innocent people than Satan did. Yes read that again, the god in the bible has killed more innocent people than the devil in the bible. He's killed innocent children, old women, old men, young men, animals, but not young women, he left them to get raped.

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March 27, 2015, 04:26:42 PM


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Number 1 is wrong, "1. The Supernatural Does Not Exist," because the whole of nature is supernatural. In addition, simply because one decides that the supernatural doesn't exist, thereby ignoring it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Thus, God can exist.


Oh, "nature" is entirely "supernatural" now?

No.  It isn't.  Nature is natural specifically because it isn't supernatural.

You should've taken my earlier suggestion and just reduce all your vocabulary to one word, and just repeat that word over and over.  It really doesn't matter what that word is or what it means because you're just going to have it mean whatever you want it to mean.

You're going on ignore for a while.  You make my eyes bleed.  

You are finally starting to understand that the only understanding of why things exist, and the only proof for their existence, is the fact that they do exist. We have no other proof.

This means, that as far as our understanding goes, all of nature is supernatural. This points at the existence of God more than ever.

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Even Descartes would frown at what I just read(And he was wrong in his philosophy/for assuming that the mind is automatically metaphysical, but wont get into that). What you've said makes no sense, at all, you're claiming that something exists because you can see/hear/taste it with your five senses, all of which may be misleading you causing you to believe that these things exist when they don't(Your perception of things), matter itself might not even exist, so you cannot prove your own existence by just looking at something at saying it exists,(This is basic philosophy. ) Ever heard of Schizophrenia where those with it can see things that aren't really there? You should really look it up.
All proof for anything is based on the fact that the elements of that proof exist. So, if you attempt to prove that those elements of proof exist, you need other elements of proof to prove them. But what about those elements of proof? How far do you have to go before you get to some elements that are so foundational that they don't need proof of existence? So far, the only two things that we can possibly come up with are God and the supernatural.


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Wait actually no, let's go with what you said. So god created disease, he created deformities, he created all those negative things that are around in the world today(And to which you classify as "supernatural"), but you consider him a good god? Quite clearly that means he is an evil one. Thanks for proving yourself wrong BADecker, again.

God created many elements, all of them good, but some that could be manipulated into evil if someone had a mind to do such. God's enemy, the devil (a formerly good angel who corrupted himself), did exactly that. In his desire to create something, he created the only thing that was not created by God... destruction. That's why his name is Destroyer in the Revelation in the Bible.

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So then according to your logic, the devil has some power over god, since he created destruction. And also, you contradicted yourself, again, you said earlier that God created nature which you believe to be supernatural. The definition of destruction is: the action or process of causing so much damage to something that it no longer exists or cannot be repaired. That can pertain to death, disease, etc, all of which are apart of nature. But, you said the devil created destruction not god, but then you earlier said that god created nature...Which one is it? You're basically putting the devil in the bible on parity with god in the bible. Wow, are you really this clueless?

Besides that, have you honestly even read the bible to which you mindlessly believe in? The god in the bible has destroyed more innocent people than Satan did. Yes read that again, the god in the bible has killed more innocent people than the devil in the bible. He's killed innocent children, old women, old men, young men, animals, but not young women, he left them to get raped.

Face it, he's an evil god. Your own words are hurting your nonsensical argument.

Read this and go through your dear bible, http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2010/04/drunk-with-blood-gods-killings-in-bible.html
legendary
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March 27, 2015, 01:55:07 PM
Here's another fallacy site:

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/
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March 27, 2015, 01:54:07 PM
I'm going to leave this list here:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

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A fallacy is incorrect argument in logic and rhetoric which undermines an argument's logical validity. Fallacies are either formal fallacies or informal fallacies.

Next time BADecker says a bunch of nonsense and then posts a link to something he doesn't understand, just refer him to this list.  It will surely contain all information necessary to prove him wrong.

BADecker, if you're reading this, understand that you haven't proven anything unless you avoid every single one of these fallacies without exception.

And that's the bare minimum requirement

Argument from ignorance (appeal to ignorance, argumentum ad ignorantiam) – assuming that a claim is true because it has not been or cannot be proven false, or vice versa.[14]

Argument from repetition (argumentum ad nauseam) – signifies that it has been discussed extensively until nobody cares to discuss it anymore.[17][18]


This pretty much defines badecker
legendary
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March 27, 2015, 01:49:39 PM
I'm going to leave this list here:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

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A fallacy is incorrect argument in logic and rhetoric which undermines an argument's logical validity. Fallacies are either formal fallacies or informal fallacies.

Next time BADecker says a bunch of nonsense and then posts a link to something he doesn't understand, just refer him to this list.  It will surely contain all information necessary to prove him wrong.

BADecker, if you're reading this, understand that you haven't proven anything unless you avoid every single one of these fallacies without exception.

And that's the bare minimum requirement
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March 27, 2015, 01:47:30 PM


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Number 1 is wrong, "1. The Supernatural Does Not Exist," because the whole of nature is supernatural. In addition, simply because one decides that the supernatural doesn't exist, thereby ignoring it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Thus, God can exist.


Oh, "nature" is entirely "supernatural" now?

No.  It isn't.  Nature is natural specifically because it isn't supernatural.

You should've taken my earlier suggestion and just reduce all your vocabulary to one word, and just repeat that word over and over.  It really doesn't matter what that word is or what it means because you're just going to have it mean whatever you want it to mean.

You're going on ignore for a while.  You make my eyes bleed.  

You are finally starting to understand that the only understanding of why things exist, and the only proof for their existence, is the fact that they do exist. We have no other proof.

This means, that as far as our understanding goes, all of nature is supernatural. This points at the existence of God more than ever.

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Even Descartes would frown at what I just read(And he was wrong in his philosophy/for assuming that the mind is automatically metaphysical, but wont get into that). What you've said makes no sense, at all, you're claiming that something exists because you can see/hear/taste it with your five senses, all of which may be misleading you causing you to believe that these things exist when they don't(Your perception of things), matter itself might not even exist, so you cannot prove your own existence by just looking at something at saying it exists,(This is basic philosophy. ) Ever heard of Schizophrenia where those with it can see things that aren't really there? You should really look it up.
All proof for anything is based on the fact that the elements of that proof exist. So, if you attempt to prove that those elements of proof exist, you need other elements of proof to prove them. But what about those elements of proof? How far do you have to go before you get to some elements that are so foundational that they don't need proof of existence. So far, the only two things that we can possibly come up with are God and the supernatural.


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Wait actually no, let's go with what you said. So god created disease, he created deformities, he created all those negative things that are around in the world today(And to which you classify as "supernatural"), but you consider him a good god? Quite clearly that means he is an evil one. Thanks for proving yourself wrong BADecker, again.

God created many elements, all of them good, but some that could be manipulated into evil if someone had a mind to do such. God's enemy, the devil (a formerly good angel who corrupted himself), did exactly that. In his desire to create something, he created the only thing that was not created by God... destruction. That's why his name is Destroyer in the Revelation in the Bible.

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Not true. Things that hinder another living organism such as a disease, has no "good" elements to it, and god created that disease as you say, which is why your god is an evil god. Innocent children, people, die from diseases and ailments everyday, you said it yourself, god created everything right? So then he created these diseases that lead to the deaths of innocent millions every year. What a good god you have (sarcasm).

I could agree with you that disease has no good (but it might have some good that we are not aware of).

Since I didn't say that God created disease, why are you trying to say that I essentially said that God is evil? (Thank you for agreeing with me that God exists. People need to know that God exists so that they have reason to seek Him for their salvation.)

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So you continue contradicting yourself. You said this:
This means, that as far as our understanding goes, all of nature is supernatural. This points at the existence of God more than ever.
What's your point? God exists outside of the universe, besides filling the universe.


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You also claimed that God made the supernatural, so that means god made disease, etc. That means god is an evil god, get it? You keep contradicting yourself, it's almost as if you're clueless on the topic at hand and you're just pulling out random mumbo jumbo to write down.(You are)


Again, you are claiming I said something I didn't say. So, you prove yourself to be a deceptive LIAR. Does it matter, that you are a liar? Probably you are right at home there.

God made only good things. The devil corrupted the things to make them evil... to destroy them. God turned much of the evil back into good. It is way more complicated than what you are saying... including not part of this topic.

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And who made the devil? God, therefore God is evil
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March 27, 2015, 01:42:11 PM


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Number 1 is wrong, "1. The Supernatural Does Not Exist," because the whole of nature is supernatural. In addition, simply because one decides that the supernatural doesn't exist, thereby ignoring it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Thus, God can exist.


Oh, "nature" is entirely "supernatural" now?

No.  It isn't.  Nature is natural specifically because it isn't supernatural.

You should've taken my earlier suggestion and just reduce all your vocabulary to one word, and just repeat that word over and over.  It really doesn't matter what that word is or what it means because you're just going to have it mean whatever you want it to mean.

You're going on ignore for a while.  You make my eyes bleed.  

You are finally starting to understand that the only understanding of why things exist, and the only proof for their existence, is the fact that they do exist. We have no other proof.

This means, that as far as our understanding goes, all of nature is supernatural. This points at the existence of God more than ever.

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Even Descartes would frown at what I just read(And he was wrong in his philosophy/for assuming that the mind is automatically metaphysical, but wont get into that). What you've said makes no sense, at all, you're claiming that something exists because you can see/hear/taste it with your five senses, all of which may be misleading you causing you to believe that these things exist when they don't(Your perception of things), matter itself might not even exist, so you cannot prove your own existence by just looking at something at saying it exists,(This is basic philosophy. ) Ever heard of Schizophrenia where those with it can see things that aren't really there? You should really look it up.
All proof for anything is based on the fact that the elements of that proof exist. So, if you attempt to prove that those elements of proof exist, you need other elements of proof to prove them. But what about those elements of proof? How far do you have to go before you get to some elements that are so foundational that they don't need proof of existence. So far, the only two things that we can possibly come up with are God and the supernatural.


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Wait actually no, let's go with what you said. So god created disease, he created deformities, he created all those negative things that are around in the world today(And to which you classify as "supernatural"), but you consider him a good god? Quite clearly that means he is an evil one. Thanks for proving yourself wrong BADecker, again.

God created many elements, all of them good, but some that could be manipulated into evil if someone had a mind to do such. God's enemy, the devil (a formerly good angel who corrupted himself), did exactly that. In his desire to create something, he created the only thing that was not created by God... destruction. That's why his name is Destroyer in the Revelation in the Bible.

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Not true. Things that hinder another living organism such as a disease, has no "good" elements to it, and god created that disease as you say, which is why your god is an evil god. Innocent children, people, die from diseases and ailments everyday, you said it yourself, god created everything right? So then he created these diseases that lead to the deaths of innocent millions every year. What a good god you have (sarcasm).

I could agree with you that disease has no good (but it might have some good that we are not aware of).

Since I didn't say that God created disease, why are you trying to say that I essentially said that God is evil? (Thank you for agreeing with me that God exists. People need to know that God exists so that they have reason to seek Him for their salvation.)

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So you continue contradicting yourself. You said this:
This means, that as far as our understanding goes, all of nature is supernatural. This points at the existence of God more than ever.

You also claimed that God made the supernatural, so that means god made disease, etc. That means god is an evil god, get it? You keep contradicting yourself, it's almost as if you're clueless on the topic at hand and you're just pulling out random mumbo jumbo to write down.(You are)


For quite some time now, I've been under the suspicion that BADecker is a goldfish.
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