Topic: Scientific proof that God exists? - page 330. (Read 845809 times)

You are trying to prove that evolution and other theories are bad or they are a failure, even if that was the case that still doesnt prove in any way that God exists, you say there is no way the idea of God can be left out, why? You still didnt give any proof of God at all, you are just trying to prove wrong other theories but proving wrong other theories dont make God real.

Certainly, I don't believe in your God - the Big Bang/Evolution Process as it is explained. It is so full of holes that it couldn't hold any water at all.

In the first place, nobody has been able to take all of the observations about change, and put them together in a truly organized fashion that could be used to show that no-life-to-mankind is actually plausible. Some sections of it might be plausible. But we don't have a whole, even plausible set of examples where we can say, "It definitely could have happened this way." There are still too many holes, too many unknowns in the process.

However, if we had a plausible process, we still don't know if that is how it happened. There are too many variables of the suggested billions of years to say that we absolutely, irrefutably know that this is the way it actually did happen.

When you ad in cause and effect in all of it, there is no way that the idea of "God" can be left out.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not assigning any religious qualities to this God at this time, except that He (She/It) is very Great. I'm simply saying that cause and effect that can produce the elements of higher thinking in man, and that can produce what looks like design way greater than anything that man can almost dream of, certainly fits the term/word "God."

Once we accept the truth that there is God behind this thing, then we need to start examining to see if He is talking to us in some way. If we can find a way to communicate with the Great First Cause, why do all this crazy research? Let's ask God?



EDIT: If God explained His process for making the universe in all its complexity, do you think that we have enough brains to understand it? Perhaps we haven't been built into the Universe for understanding how it works. Maybe our purpose is something else.

Didnt you just ask your own question? You ask how is it possible that life came from something not alive, well there is the explanation : This evidence takes the form of microfossils (fossils too small to be seen without the aid of a microscope) and ancient rock structures in South Africa and Australia called stromatolites. Stromatolites are produced by microbes (mainly photosynthesizing cyanobacteria) that form thin microbial films which trap mud; over time, layers of these mud/microbe mats can build up into a layered rock structure.

You really just asked your own question and you dont even notice haha

From http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/IIE2aOriginoflife.shtml:
That sure sounds to me that life came from non-life. the word "inanimate" means not alive.

Now, I don't blame you evolutionists. If I believed that there wasn't any God, and if some joker called "BADecker" came along and proved to me that the very sequence of happenings that I had been using to suggest that there couldn't be any God, was the exact thing that was showing that God absolutely had to exist, I'd be upset, too, and would want to get off track of the idea.

Well i dont know what you mean that evolution includes inanimate materials becoming alive, evolution is not the theory of HOW LIFE WAS FORMED IN THE BEGINING, it is exactly what you said, evolution is change. I let you read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis

Evolution is anything but random.

Here is the evolutionist's deception.

The term or process called "evolution," includes inanimate materials becoming alive. There is absolutely no evidence for such.

If Evolution included only change, it bight be absolutely correct.

Many people include the idea of pure randomness in the idea of evolution. There is absolutely no evidence for pure randomness. All that we see operates by cause and effect, action and reaction.

As I have stated in other posts, consider billiards, the game of pool. If a good pool player hits a ball that hits another ball that hits a third ball that hits a fourth ball that hits a fifth ball that knocks a sixth ball into a predetermined pocket... such a thing might be unheard of. If it has been done, it is an extremely rare happening.

So, take a look at the Big Bang. The BB blast (if it existed) created cause and effect that was so extremely controlled that it produced all kinds of cause and effect actions over billions of years, and came up with the complexity of universal physics, life and and thought in humankind. It would be quadrillions of times easier for the inventor of billiards (whoever and whenever he might have lived) to have, with his first hit of a ball, knocked all the billiard balls that have ever existed in all the billiard games that have ever existed into predetermined pockets.

Evolution is an utter stupidity when you apply to the term everything that is being applied. If you are only talking about change, then call it change, not evolution. Or explain it as change, not as the impossible thing that it is being explained as.



EDIT: If the Big Bang and Evolution created something like human thought through its process of cause and effect, then call it what it is... God.

It's quite puzzling why BADdecker gets all aerated about evolution. There's still room for his god.
God could of sparked life in the beginning, and evolution could of taken over from there.

Exactly, like it happens with evolution?? Mr BAdecker?? There are thousands of proofs of evolution yet seems like you are so extremely stubborn to keep believing the contrary

Your not exempt from that as well you know.

Pretty cool stuff but where is exactly the proof of anything that you said? Oh i will tell you there is not

Yet the qualities of the finite system can strongly suggest that there is an infinite system.

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Take a look at the sequence of creation in Genesis.

1. God creates the Heavens and the Earth - space and material. God was hovering over the waters of the earth (material).

2. God crates light - makes the electromagnetic spectrum along with some of the dimensions that separate the electromagnetic qualities of material from the electromagnetic qualities of energy.

3. God separated the waters on earth. He separated them by making an expanse between them. The expanse He called "sky." - In other words, God separated the materials from which He would make our actual earth, from the materials out of which he would later make the stars.

4. God separated the waters on our Earth (under the expanse of the sky) from the ground (solid material), thereby making dry ground appear. - The waters were a form of thin mud-like substance before God separated the land materials from the water.

5. God made the plants. - Plants were here before the materials (water) He had moved into the sky (expanse) had been turned into the stars. Did the plants need the sun to live? No. The light that God made the first day would be enough to keep them for the short time that it took to make the sun.

6. God made the sun, moon and stars. - In the Revelation, the tail of the dragon (Satan) swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The stars are equated with angels. The Bible scholars mostly agree with this. When did this happen?

7. God made sea creatures and birds.

8. God made land creatures and man.

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When man sinned, Satan was already in the earth. He took the form of the serpent.

Jesus saw Satan fall from Heaven like lightening.

The Revelation talks about the war in Heaven between Satan and the archangel, Michael. Satan lost, and was cast to the earth.

In the beginning of the creation story, before the light was created, before the energies were settled in their cosmic and physics form, God says in Genesis chapter 1, verse 2: "Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters." The word "was" is the same word that means "became."

In other words, there was Heaven and Earth that had been created in the beginning. It was our universe, but in a different "way." It may have had stars and planets. Nobody knows. It DID have the angels. There was a war among the angels in Heaven. Satan and his gang lost the war, the whole creation changed, and God started over rebuilding it in verse 3 with His newly formed light, since even the physics of the previous existence had been turned into mush.

Think about it. See the many things we are missing by not applying the whole Bible to the things that exist and how they came into being.

God is positive. God is against destruction. God renews things. And the next time He will renew "stuff" by making a whole new universe and destroying this one.

Anybody who reads this post, will probably want to say all kinds of things about my comments here. I don't have all the answers. And nobody else does either. There is a lot of "stuff" that is unclear to everyone, but mostly to the people who remain in ignorance intentionally, by not accepting the evidence for God all around them in the universe and nature.

(Red colorization mine.)

“The problem with the idea of proof is” (BADecker) that infinite physical evidence cannot be considered, simultaneously, by a finite physical system.

Just for you...

God didn't create evil. He gave some of the sentient beings He created the freedom to cause evil, so that they could prove their love for God by NOT doing evil. God didn't suggest that they do the evil. He told (and tells) them not to do it.

We are so far away from understanding the greatness of God and His love for us, that we have a difficult time understanding how great a thing it is to not do evil in the face of being able to do evil.

The problem with the idea of proof is, people are built in ways that make them so extremely stubborn that millions of pieces of evidence could jump right up and bite them in the left eye, and that still wouldn't be proof for them.

Here is probably the simplest explanation about what Quantum Mechanics really is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcfQkxwz4Oo. When you finish watching this less-than-two-minutes video, you will see that quantum mechanics can be used to prove anything and to work anything. It can actually be used to prove and work things that are opposite of each other... if you want to work hard enough at making it do so.

I recommend the Interlinear Hebrew Old Testament (IHOT) and the Interlinear Greek New Testament (IGNT).

Exactly!!!

And that is why the whole God thing is nonsense to so many people. They refuse to accept Him by faith, the only real way He can be accepted. This means that they remain in the evil, simply because they don't accept the only way out of the evil, the salvation that God's son, Jesus, provides.

The Geneva Bible was written a long time ago. While its language is similar to ours, it is also different. This is because it is a translation from other languages. If you are interested in reading online more clearly, I would recommend the English Standard Version (ESV), or the New English Standard Version (NESV). You can find these online at http://www.biblegateway.com/ where you can read right online.

You have some preconceived notions about God while at the same time you (and science) don't understand some of the basics of the laws of the universe.

My wording, above, isn't exactly individual arguments. They are a sequence. The whole point of it is, God ABSOLUTELY IS preventing the evil. This earth, this life, even this universe is being taken out of existence so that the evil will not only be prevented, but also destroyed. The New Universe that God is making is the place that won't have any evil. God is God. The New Universe will have universal physics laws that are different than these. There will be freedom as well as no ability to do evil. God can do it.

Why doesn't God simply do away with the evil here? Because He built a universe where people are so deeply embedded with part of His nature, at the same time that people themselves spiritually are integrally woven into the laws of the universe in ways way beyond understanding of science at present, that if He simply destroyed the evil, He would have to destroy the people. Rather, God is giving us this short life to allow us the time to decide if we want to continue to be evil, or if we would rather join Him with the good in the New Universe.

God's idea behind making a free universe, where people had the freedom to do evil, was not so that they would do the evil, but so that they would use their freedom to show greater love for Him by NOT doing the evil. If the ability to do evil was not present, there would not be the ability to show the greater love.

The fact that God prepared the way out of the evil through faith in Him and in the salvation that His Son, Jesus, provides, shows that He is saving people from the evil. People, by not accepting the salvation that God provides, or by not accepting that God even exists right in the face of all the evidence to the opposite, show that they would rather remain in the evil.