The fact of the matter is there is absolutely 0 evidence for young-earth creationism right now.
That's NOT true. There might not be evidence that you accept, but those are two wildly different scenarios.
The video link was a perfect example. You admitted you refuse even to look at it.
Even the pope is supporting evolution.
Appeal to authority. Doesn't matter what the Pope thinks when it comes to science, or even Christianity for that matter. The protestant revolution in the 17th century freed us from his 'authority'. The papacy was declared to have the status of a God centuries before that. If that's not fallacious, then I declare myself a pope too.
If there was solid scientific evidence that disproved evolution scientists would be shouting it from the rooftops (and then try to use the new data to figure out what really happened, because that's how science works).
If 'solid scientific evidence' is all you need, I think human tracks beside dinosaur tracks would be an amazing proof against evolution. That's just one example of actual science in Patton's video.
I am a very skeptical person. If science could form a solid case for evolution, I'd reconsider my position. But while evolution is founded on fallacious arguments (like circular reasoning, dating fossils from rock layers, and rock layers from fossils) I'm 100% unimpressed.
Thanks for proving I was right not wasting an hour on him. The so called man footprints were debunked a long time ago.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy.htmlScience has made a amazing case for evolution over and over and over. There is a reason only the occasional nutjob like him thinks he can disprove it.
Thank you for the wonderful link to a wonderful website.
Obviously you are a wonderful, sensitive human being. I empathize with you. I, also, do not like being pushed down a street where there only seems to be pain.
The whole goal of God is love. He loves you sooooo much, that He sent Himself in the form of Jesus to die for you, so that you can rise with Him in the resurrection, to an eternal life of love, joy, piece, yes, and even glory. We are your friends, here. Nobody - especially not Jesus - wants to cause you pain and grief.
Forget the churches and the Christians who have done you wrong. Sure, they hurt you for a moment, but many of them weren't trying to do that, and those that were trying, were doing it only because they were in some kind of pain and fear, just like you.
It is soooo wonderful when you simply give yourself over to Jesus. You don't have to keep on straining to prove your own value and worth - not even to yourself. Jesus, Himself, values you so extremely much that He wants to give you the best life of all.
When you join Him, does that mean that there will never be pain again? No. But it will all be gone in a moment, gone with the few, troubled years of this life... and when you have Jesus with you, He will never allow you to be pushed beyond what you can bear,
at any time in this life. He will never place you into a position where you can't take the life He allows for you.
Jesus is calling you, now. Come. Let Him into your heart where He can soothe all your troubles of mind and soul. He loves you. Let Him take you into His heart of love. Won't you please pick Him up?, join with Him?, let your troubles and anxieties be relieved? Many of us are hoping for you.
This thread is about scientific evidence, not getting all preachy about how god loves me. I actually was brought up in a very religious home and learned firsthand all the damage that religion can do. I'm not going to throw the facts to the wind just so I can think my life has a life after this one and (re)join a cult
Oh, coldgamer. I am so distressed for you. And not for you, only. but, also, for the many others who have been hurt like you have.
Do you remember what Darth Vader said to Luke about the power of the Force? He said something like, "You don't know the power of the Dark Side." But what did he do? He found the last remaining vestiges of Light within himself. He remembered the love. His love for his son, Luke, overcame all the forces of the Emperor, and all the forces of the Dark Side, as well.
Come, now, and return to the Light. In the Dark Side you will always be manipulated, just like Darth Vader was. Nobody in the Light will ever force you. The Light may call. It may invite. It may entice. It may even plead. But it will never force.
Why remain with all those that the Dark side is dragging to their doom by capturing them in their time of weakness? They are caught up in
a science that is failing them right and left. And it is only the propaganda of lies heaped upon lies that keeps them in some semblance of informal hope.
God will never drag you. With Him you are always free. Come back to the Light. Revive your hurt soul and spirit. Go directly to the loving Father, Himself. Only you can do this for yourself. There is none other that can do it for you. Only you can come into the Light yourself.
Come with us, along side us, and find the peace, joy, love, and even glory, and certainly friendship, that you are seeking.
...And you *still* do not understand the difference between science as a method and science as a body of knowledge.
Remember, you use inductive reasoning (the kind that science uses) in every single post you make. The more you talk, the more you argue against your own position. Nobody wants to "come along" with someone gleefully intending to commit intellectual suicide.
Remember the original Star Trek series? You can look up to find which episode it was where Kirk and some others were trapped by an alien life form. Spock was in command.
Spock used every strategy he could logically think of to save his buddies and break free. When he couldn't find an answer, he broke down and became emotionally upset.
The Enterprise and the crew were saved, however. And when they were all back aboard, they teased Spock about his breakdown from strict logic to emotion.
Spock had a different idea. His supposed breakdown from logic to emotion was only logical. After all, he had tried every logical means to save everybody, and all the logic failed. The only other logical thing was to become emotional... which worked, by the way.
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Modern scientific investigation doesn't have a handle on things like soul, spirit, emotion, consciousness, etc. Science is making strides, but so far there is only objectively looking at, and manipulating them slightly. The point? Since science doesn't have it, we need to use whatever means we have. These other means might not appear to be science, but since strict science doesn't have it, in the whole realm of what we are attempting, any means that are NOT science, are really, scientific... at least until strict science comes up with some concrete and conclusive answers.
It'd be nice if you actually responded directly to anything anyone says instead of your two-step process of: 1) Ignore, then 2) Keep talking.
First, let me remind you that you're talking to someone who also believes in God. I'm not someone who you should feel compelled to convert, because I'm already on that side of the fence. But, while I'm over here along with you, I'm trying to tell you that your reasoning is just plain, fucking awful. Reason is something that you use every time you write a post. It isn't exclusive to science or scientists. Just because you believe in God doesn't mean you don't still have free will and can take the wonderful gift of reason and butcher it beyond belief.
That being said, you almost *never* respond to anything that anyone else actually writes. Time and time again, you make use of logical fallacies that aren't even clever in usage. Using logical fallacies in a deceiving way (i.e. using logical fallacies that seem like sound arguments, but aren't whatsoever) is a tactic used by good lawyers. To a lawyer, it doesn't matter if his argument is right or wrong, it just matters what others believe it is, because the goal is to convince others that he has the winning argument.
But whereas lawyers know how to use logical fallacies in a way that slips them past someone's better judgment, your arguments are absolutely absurd. You're deferring to a sci-fi television series from the 70's as an argument to believe in the Bible. Are you out of your f***ing mind? If it weren't for the fact that I think, deep down, you know your arguments suck and so you resort to simply trying to appear to others as though you're winning these debates, I'd suggest you might actually be delusional.
First Star Wars, now Star Trek. Really? Emotion is not a way to reason. You can reason about your emotions, sure. But, based on your logic, why not just shoot up with heroin and feel the resulting emotion and let that guide you? I'll tell you why you wouldn't, and it's because you also know that just because you feel a certain way doesn't mean that something is necessarily right or wrong, good or bad, etc. And, even if it did, there is nothing in your Star Trek analogy that says anything about being religious or believing in God.
Whether or not God exists is independent of your argument. God can exist, and your arguments supporting its existence and why you should believe in God can still suck. Like yours. Your arguments suck. Again, coming from someone who also believes in God, your arguments suck. You get that? They suck. No, really. They suck.
