Topic: Scientific proof that God exists? - page 47. (Read 845591 times)

As usual, you haven't begun to even consider most of what you say.

Actually, the O.T. was written in the period starting about 1,500 B.C., up to about slightly before 400 B.C.  It was compiled as the Jewish canon (if you will) during the times of additions to it. Writings following about 400 B.C. - and some before not included in the canon - up until the time of Christ were not considered to be canonical by the Jews, but rather, were good, moral stories.

The actual writing of the books of the N.T. started some time after the death and resurrection of Christ... but not long after, and culminated with the writing of the Revelation around 96 A.D.

Because there were many people writing "stuff" and claiming it to be the words of God, scholars at the Council of Nicea (about 325 A.D.) examined, minutely, everything about all the writings they had, both from before the time of Christ, and after. They compiled the Bible from the writings that agreed with the Jewish canonical writings, and that did not disagree with the writings of the Gospels and St. Paul's letters.

It is totally possible, although unlikely, that there might be other early writings that could have been included in the Bible compilation, but weren't, because they were not presented at the Council of Nicea. However, such other writings are not necessary, since the whole Bible is written for the saving of people's souls from the great destruction and dissolution of this earth and universe... which will include the dissolution of the souls of people... and the current Bible is sufficient for such salvation.

The repudiation of Darwin lies in the fact that the only thing that upholds Darwin is talk. Everything that Darwin suggests is upheld by things other than what Darwin says, better than the way Darwin explains. The only reason why Darwin is popular is that some people wish that the truth was like Darwin says. But it isn't.

The proof for the existence of God lies in the hearts of everyone. This proof might not be scientific proof, but it exists simply in the fact that people can consider the idea of the existence of God or not. This, alone, repudiates Darwin.

Essentially the resistance to the God-proof in all hearts, is simply rebellion against god.

The thing in our universe that beyond our explanation. Example the biggest structure in our universe that is break the law of physics.

1. Unable to show why or how you know everything is designed

2. Unable to demonstrate that nothing is truly random or that everything has a cause. Argument contradicts itself because god would also need a cause. Argument does not show/indicate that the cause of the universe is a god.

3. ''Except that cause and effect are upheld by Newton's 3rd Law. And this means that everything is pre-programmed to exist the way it does.'' Newtons Law DOES NOT say that everything has a cause. ''For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.'' Note how it says ''for every action'' and not ''everything has a cause''.

4. ''The universe system is extremely complex, via C&E. Yet we don't see anything that can make such complexity. We don't really see anything that is more complex being made by something less complex without greater loss in some other way to the less complex system.''  Complex is a vague word by itself. Complex in what sense? Brains, like many other complex things, are not irreducible complex. They're made up of simpler components combined according to a simple set of rules. If you have a process that applies (relatively) simple rules to (relatively) simple components in an iterative fashion, you can end up creating something much more complex than you can understand as a whole.


As always, very easy to dismantle your ''arguments''

Interesting fact about the bible... they didn't start writing it until 95AD.

So for four to five generations, no one wrote a thing about your god.  Then suddenly, everyone remembered.

How stupid do you have to be to believe this stuff? 

They weren't all goat herders. Many of them were well educated. This is evident by the fact that only a few people had the knowledge of writing during much of the Bible times.

God told them what to write, Spirit to spirit.

Scientists might not have talked about proving the existence of God, but they have proven Him in the things that they do:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380.

science has not proven this.

Which is exactly what is still happening in most of the world and this forum too bans people for using their mind

If God don't exist then who wrote a Bible?!!!

We tried that in the dark ages, remember?

Constant warfare, no research - murdering people for using their mind - basically all of society stood still for hundreds of years.

The only way another period of ignorance can start is if mankind gets wiped back to the stone age by an irreversible EMP.

The evidence of your own words shows that you are too ignorant to understand:
1. God's love, or;
2. The explanations that have been posted throughout this thread already.

So, it would be a complete waste of time to answer again.

The problem is that you are trying to show why you think everything is designed, so far you haven't done that. Nothing indicates nature is designed, we know complexity can arise from simple rules.

yes god exist

So, are you going to answer this question nutcracker or will you just ignore it like all of the other questions you have no good answer to.

Why is your god such a cruel asshole? And if he hates us so much, why create us in the first place? Did he just want a species to torture for sport?

Actually, it strikes at the root of the question.

For example. If everybody knew for a fact that everything was designed by God, there would be no question. So the question has to do with the things that people know, not the fact of design or no design. However...

The general consensus among scientists (which is changing, btw) has been that there is only a material make-up in people. Science believes that their is no such thing as the soul and spirit, and that emotion is essentially an imaginary abstraction in the material/biological operation.

If this were the case, pure cause and effect would have to rule in everything. This would mean that opinions and/or scientific proof about the design question would have had to have been programmed in by Whoever/Whatever did the C&E programming. Why? Because we know of no complexity as great as opposed thinking like this that comes about by anything that seems random. Rather, randomness (standard random as opposed to pure random) leads to mediocrity. Prove it to yourself by flipping a coin a thousand times. The result will be nearly an equal number of heads flips as tails.

The whole idea of complexity as it exists, contradicts the mediocrity of standard random. And C&E in everything, without even a shred of evidence of pure random, has as its only result, a Programmer... in the face of the kind of complexity that exists. And a programmer shows that somewhere back in the beginning of the programming, there was the existence of Pure random, and such things as soul and spirit.

I don't think that you understand your own arguments. You are saying that because humans build stuff and because that stuff is made of molecules and atoms (like everything lol) means that they are designed? Worst argument and literally no logic.

Scrolls that was found that proves that the bible is true is a scientific proof. Why? Science wants a tangible proof and that scroll is tangible and proves that all the words on the bible that God shared is true.

Why, thank you. I enjoy it when I can cause someone to have love. But really. This is the scientific proof for the existence of God thread. So, do you have any proof that can stand against the combined cause and effect and entropy and complexity? Or against the machine nature of the universe, and machines have makers? But if you have more proof for the existence of God, I think we would all love to read it. Show it to us so that you create love in us, like I created love in you (as you said above).