Scientific proof that God exists? - page 96.

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Quote from: BADecker on November 03, 2017, 03:42:32 PM

As long as you continue to deny the definition of entropy as you have been, why would anybody care what you think about entropy?

Same thing I say - as long as you continue to have your own definition of scientific proof, why would anyone care if you have scientific proof?

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Quote from: Astargath on November 03, 2017, 02:54:56 PM

Quote from: BADecker on November 03, 2017, 10:17:06 AM

Quote from: Astargath on November 02, 2017, 10:14:10 AM

Quote from: BADecker on November 01, 2017, 01:36:19 PM

Quote from: Astargath on November 01, 2017, 07:44:08 AM

Quote from: BADecker on October 31, 2017, 12:03:24 AM

More scientific proof that God exists:

1. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.23796852

2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2KP1vWkQ6Y

3. http://mathworld.wolfram.com/GoedelsIncompletenessTheorem.html

4. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/goedel-incompleteness/

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The consensus response is that Gödel's incompleteness theorem applies only to axiomatic formal systems (e.g. mathematics). Theology is not a formal system.

Therefore, Gödel's incompleteness theorem cannot be applied to theology.

Of course religious people would apply it because that's what you do with every single ''proof'' of god which always turns out to be false.

Any rebuttal to Gödel's incompleteness theorem essentially nullifies all science. What does that leave us with? Religion... and God.

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I don't know if you have reading comprehension problems,

It's a difficult life, isn't it, not knowing many things.

Quote from: Astargath on November 02, 2017, 10:14:10 AM

I didn't say anything about any rebuttals.

Ah! You recognize a little of what you didn't say! Good work.

Quote from: Astargath on November 02, 2017, 10:14:10 AM

I said that you cannot apply godel's theorem to theology.

Ah! You recognize a little of what you DID say. Good work.

Perhaps sometime you will move on to even greater work, by recognizing that, "Any rebuttal to Gödel's incompleteness theorem essentially nullifies all science."

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Could be true yet my point has nothing to do with the godel's theorem being wrong or right, my point was about applying the theorem to theology which is just not possible. You have had this kind of problem before with entropy, applying it incorrectly because you didn't know the definition.

As long as you continue to deny the definition of entropy as you have been, why would anybody care what you think about entropy?

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Quote from: BADecker on November 03, 2017, 10:17:06 AM

Quote from: Astargath on November 02, 2017, 10:14:10 AM

Quote from: BADecker on November 01, 2017, 01:36:19 PM

Quote from: Astargath on November 01, 2017, 07:44:08 AM

Quote from: BADecker on October 31, 2017, 12:03:24 AM

More scientific proof that God exists:

1. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.23796852

2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2KP1vWkQ6Y

3. http://mathworld.wolfram.com/GoedelsIncompletenessTheorem.html

4. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/goedel-incompleteness/

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The consensus response is that Gödel's incompleteness theorem applies only to axiomatic formal systems (e.g. mathematics). Theology is not a formal system.

Therefore, Gödel's incompleteness theorem cannot be applied to theology.

Of course religious people would apply it because that's what you do with every single ''proof'' of god which always turns out to be false.

Any rebuttal to Gödel's incompleteness theorem essentially nullifies all science. What does that leave us with? Religion... and God.

Cool

I don't know if you have reading comprehension problems,

It's a difficult life, isn't it, not knowing many things.

Quote from: Astargath on November 02, 2017, 10:14:10 AM

I didn't say anything about any rebuttals.

Ah! You recognize a little of what you didn't say! Good work.

Quote from: Astargath on November 02, 2017, 10:14:10 AM

I said that you cannot apply godel's theorem to theology.

Ah! You recognize a little of what you DID say. Good work.

Perhaps sometime you will move on to even greater work, by recognizing that, "Any rebuttal to Gödel's incompleteness theorem essentially nullifies all science."

Cool

Could be true yet my point has nothing to do with the godel's theorem being wrong or right, my point was about applying the theorem to theology which is just not possible. You have had this kind of problem before with entropy, applying it incorrectly because you didn't know the definition.

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Quote from: DarkHyudrA on August 13, 2014, 12:52:25 PM

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Quote from: Predict27 on August 13, 2014, 12:13:38 PM

I really doubt there is any scientific proof to describe god existence.

Who need proofs about unicorn or flying spaghetti monster?

So true.
That's why its called a religion. That's why there are many religions. That's why there was mythology.
It's just a matter of believing, not proof-concept of existence.

I guess this caps it all, it's a matter of individual beliefs that leads us to the path we choose to stick to.

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Quote from: Astargath on November 02, 2017, 10:14:10 AM

Quote from: BADecker on November 01, 2017, 01:36:19 PM

Quote from: Astargath on November 01, 2017, 07:44:08 AM

Quote from: BADecker on October 31, 2017, 12:03:24 AM

More scientific proof that God exists:

1. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.23796852

2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2KP1vWkQ6Y

3. http://mathworld.wolfram.com/GoedelsIncompletenessTheorem.html

4. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/goedel-incompleteness/

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The consensus response is that Gödel's incompleteness theorem applies only to axiomatic formal systems (e.g. mathematics). Theology is not a formal system.

Therefore, Gödel's incompleteness theorem cannot be applied to theology.

Of course religious people would apply it because that's what you do with every single ''proof'' of god which always turns out to be false.

Any rebuttal to Gödel's incompleteness theorem essentially nullifies all science. What does that leave us with? Religion... and God.

Cool

I don't know if you have reading comprehension problems,

It's a difficult life, isn't it, not knowing many things.

Quote from: Astargath on November 02, 2017, 10:14:10 AM

I didn't say anything about any rebuttals.

Ah! You recognize a little of what you didn't say! Good work.

Quote from: Astargath on November 02, 2017, 10:14:10 AM

I said that you cannot apply godel's theorem to theology.

Ah! You recognize a little of what you DID say. Good work.

Perhaps sometime you will move on to even greater work, by recognizing that, "Any rebuttal to Gödel's incompleteness theorem essentially nullifies all science."

Cool

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Quote from: BADecker on November 01, 2017, 01:36:19 PM

Quote from: Astargath on November 01, 2017, 07:44:08 AM

Quote from: BADecker on October 31, 2017, 12:03:24 AM

More scientific proof that God exists:

1. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.23796852

2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2KP1vWkQ6Y

3. http://mathworld.wolfram.com/GoedelsIncompletenessTheorem.html

4. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/goedel-incompleteness/

Cool

The consensus response is that Gödel's incompleteness theorem applies only to axiomatic formal systems (e.g. mathematics). Theology is not a formal system.

Therefore, Gödel's incompleteness theorem cannot be applied to theology.

Of course religious people would apply it because that's what you do with every single ''proof'' of god which always turns out to be false.

Any rebuttal to Gödel's incompleteness theorem essentially nullifies all science. What does that leave us with? Religion... and God.

Cool

I don't know if you have reading comprehension problems, I didn't say anything about any rebuttals. I said that you cannot apply godel's theorem to theology.

Vod

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Quote from: BADecker on November 01, 2017, 08:37:52 PM

In your religion of no God, you have yet to show any scientific contradiction to the scientific proofs that God DOES exist. All you have done so far is blab.

Do I need to do anything else besides blab?

You are the one claiming a fairy tale is real. Show some evidence - why are you keeping us in suspense for 430 pages?

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Quote from: allohha on November 01, 2017, 02:05:06 PM

Quote from: BADecker on November 01, 2017, 02:02:00 PM

Quote from: wxxyrqa on November 01, 2017, 01:40:29 PM

I observe that until now everything, anything, but not because of his mind. That's just all this excitement around the evidence of the existence of God, it makes no sense for real believing people. In most cases, these questions are discussed either by atheists or fanatics who have long since lost all the sanctity of the soul.

Quite the opposite. Almost all faith in God exists because there is some logical reason why He must exist.

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guys hello, And why not be trusted for the sake of faith itself? It seems to me that a person must believe in something always and at the same time do not necessarily go on about many religions. I know people who believe in God, but only in their own way.

Quote from: http://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Proofs-Of-God~s-Existence

Psalm 19:1-4

The heavens are telling of the glory of God; And their expanse is declaring the work of His hands. Day to day pours forth speech, And night to night reveals knowledge. There is no speech, nor are there words; Their voice is not heard. read more.

Hebrews 3:4

For every house is built by someone, but the builder of all things is God.

Romans 1:18-20

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

Acts 17:29

"Being then the children of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and thought of man.

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Quote from: Vod on November 01, 2017, 06:02:50 PM

Quote from: BADecker on November 01, 2017, 01:34:56 PM

No. Only horses who think that "every single horse in the world refuses to drink, of it's own volition."

But, those horses aren't really horses. They are donkeys.

Ok, so every single donkey in the world refuses to drink, of it's own volition.

OR, you are just living in a fairy tale.

Which makes more sense?

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In your religion of no God, you have yet to show any scientific contradiction to the scientific proofs that God DOES exist. All you have done so far is blab.

You and your religion can't believe that God doesn't exist strongly enough to make things happen that way. God's faith in Himself is way stronger than your faith against Him. Satan tried your route, and it only served to get him sent to Hell. You will only prove to destroy yourself.

Many scientists understand from science that God at least might exist. Many others of them understand that He DOES exist. Many have faith in Him for what they are unable to prove. You are banging your head against a wall that you can't destroy.

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Quote from: BADecker on November 01, 2017, 01:34:56 PM

No. Only horses who think that "every single horse in the world refuses to drink, of it's own volition."

But, those horses aren't really horses. They are donkeys.

Ok, so every single donkey in the world refuses to drink, of it's own volition.

OR, you are just living in a fairy tale.

Which makes more sense?

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Quote from: BADecker on November 01, 2017, 02:02:00 PM

Quote from: wxxyrqa on November 01, 2017, 01:40:29 PM

I observe that until now everything, anything, but not because of his mind. That's just all this excitement around the evidence of the existence of God, it makes no sense for real believing people. In most cases, these questions are discussed either by atheists or fanatics who have long since lost all the sanctity of the soul.

Quite the opposite. Almost all faith in God exists because there is some logical reason why He must exist.

Cool

guys hello, And why not be trusted for the sake of faith itself? It seems to me that a person must believe in something always and at the same time do not necessarily go on about many religions. I know people who believe in God, but only in their own way.

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Quote from: wxxyrqa on November 01, 2017, 01:40:29 PM

I observe that until now everything, anything, but not because of his mind. That's just all this excitement around the evidence of the existence of God, it makes no sense for real believing people. In most cases, these questions are discussed either by atheists or fanatics who have long since lost all the sanctity of the soul.

Quite the opposite. Almost all faith in God exists because there is some logical reason why He must exist.

Cool

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I observe that until now everything, anything, but not because of his mind. That's just all this excitement around the evidence of the existence of God, it makes no sense for real believing people. In most cases, these questions are discussed either by atheists or fanatics who have long since lost all the sanctity of the soul.

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Quote from: Astargath on November 01, 2017, 07:44:08 AM

Quote from: BADecker on October 31, 2017, 12:03:24 AM

More scientific proof that God exists:

1. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.23796852

2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2KP1vWkQ6Y

3. http://mathworld.wolfram.com/GoedelsIncompletenessTheorem.html

4. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/goedel-incompleteness/

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The consensus response is that Gödel's incompleteness theorem applies only to axiomatic formal systems (e.g. mathematics). Theology is not a formal system.

Therefore, Gödel's incompleteness theorem cannot be applied to theology.

Of course religious people would apply it because that's what you do with every single ''proof'' of god which always turns out to be false.

Any rebuttal to Gödel's incompleteness theorem essentially nullifies all science. What does that leave us with? Religion... and God.

Cool

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Quote from: Vod on October 31, 2017, 09:27:12 PM

Quote from: BADecker on October 31, 2017, 09:19:29 PM

It isn't a scenario of not leading the horse to water. It is a scenario of the horse not drinking, of its own volition.

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Right - so every single horse in the world refuses to drink, of it's own volition.

OOOOOOR - you are delusional.

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No. Only horses who think that "every single horse in the world refuses to drink, of it's own volition."

But, those horses aren't really horses. They are donkeys.

Cheesy

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Quote from: BADecker on October 31, 2017, 12:03:24 AM

More scientific proof that God exists:

1. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.23796852

2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2KP1vWkQ6Y

3. http://mathworld.wolfram.com/GoedelsIncompletenessTheorem.html

4. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/goedel-incompleteness/

Cool

The consensus response is that Gödel's incompleteness theorem applies only to axiomatic formal systems (e.g. mathematics). Theology is not a formal system.

Therefore, Gödel's incompleteness theorem cannot be applied to theology.

Of course religious people would apply it because that's what you do with every single ''proof'' of god which always turns out to be false.

Vod

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Quote from: BADecker on October 31, 2017, 09:19:29 PM

It isn't a scenario of not leading the horse to water. It is a scenario of the horse not drinking, of its own volition.

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Right - so every single horse in the world refuses to drink, of it's own volition.

OOOOOOR - you are delusional.

Cool

BADecker

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Quote from: Vod on October 31, 2017, 04:16:52 PM

Quote from: BADecker on October 31, 2017, 12:03:24 AM

More scientific proof that God exists:

1. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.23796852

2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2KP1vWkQ6Y

3. http://mathworld.wolfram.com/GoedelsIncompletenessTheorem.html

4. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/goedel-incompleteness/

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Wow - why have the millions of atheists around the world not heard of your delusions?

Proof would end the entire argument instantly.

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It isn't a scenario of not leading the horse to water. It is a scenario of the horse not drinking, of its own volition.

Cool

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Quote from: BADecker on October 31, 2017, 12:03:24 AM

More scientific proof that God exists:

1. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.23796852

2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2KP1vWkQ6Y

3. http://mathworld.wolfram.com/GoedelsIncompletenessTheorem.html

4. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/goedel-incompleteness/

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Wow - why have the millions of atheists around the world not heard of your delusions?

Proof would end the entire argument instantly.

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Quote from: BADecker on October 31, 2017, 12:03:24 AM

More scientific proof that God exists:

1. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.23796852

2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2KP1vWkQ6Y

3. http://mathworld.wolfram.com/GoedelsIncompletenessTheorem.html

4. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/goedel-incompleteness/

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There's an actual generalization of Goedel's theorem that resolves that issue. Is that generalization God?

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