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Wanderlust

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Quote from: Wheatclove on September 10, 2015, 07:31:00 PM

Quote from: child_harold on September 10, 2015, 06:28:43 PM

Did. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10016860

Farewell WC

* child_harold drops the mic

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Like stealth, I don't have the background to really understand the ring-signatures ShadowCash uses; I was contacted by ShadowCash to do an audit and deferred it to a cryptographer I know. They said the math looked to be a clone of Monero, done on top of Bitcoin. They were however potentially interested in doing an audit of the ring signatures idea to get a better idea of what kind of privacy it really gives people in practice - we'll see if they have the time to work on that further in the near future.

Best not to say more publicly than that given I just haven't done the research to really know.

His friend briefly looked at it and said it looked like a clone of Monero. Your claim is still wrong. Peter Todd said he, himself, didn't know.

- Peter Todd DID say it, literally
- the friend quoted was better qualified than he himself
- you omitted the word MATH and added BRIEF.

I'm out.

Wheatclove

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Quote from: child_harold on September 10, 2015, 06:28:43 PM

Did. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10016860

Farewell WC

* child_harold drops the mic

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Like stealth, I don't have the background to really understand the ring-signatures ShadowCash uses; I was contacted by ShadowCash to do an audit and deferred it to a cryptographer I know. They said the math looked to be a clone of Monero, done on top of Bitcoin. They were however potentially interested in doing an audit of the ring signatures idea to get a better idea of what kind of privacy it really gives people in practice - we'll see if they have the time to work on that further in the near future.

Best not to say more publicly than that given I just haven't done the research to really know.

His friend briefly looked at it and said it looked like a clone of Monero. Your claim is still wrong. Peter Todd said he, himself, didn't know.

gioma

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???

Such a great project. Following since the beginning, one of the best altcoins ever made.

child_harold

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Quote from: Wheatclove on September 10, 2015, 05:47:09 PM

Quote from: child_harold on September 10, 2015, 05:36:53 PM

Quote from: rutherford on September 10, 2015, 10:07:15 AM

edu-online: CH...do you realize that you have done nothing but insult Shadows developers? I've seen new community members put in more effort then you while you have been around for more then 1 year. All you do is complain and act as if we are all on a pay-roll of some company you hold shares in. There is a documentation team working around the clock just to make sure our developers can spend all of their time working on developing and testing new releases. Me and ffmad (and many others) have spend the majority of our day working on Shadows documentation, what have you been doing? Now...instead of replying to this message and trying to convince me I'm wrong...try asking me how you can contribute and try to be of help instead.

Are you shitting me?

I have spent more time, energy and % of my money on Shadow than many Team members. It was an unhealthy obsession which is now ended.

So your doing the documentation now? The docs for Zeuner? Will you also be updating the whitepaper of shdowsendv2 with the word cryptonote? Peter Todd (in this thread) said it looks like cryptonote. So did smooth. That's where we still are today, after months and months and months.

Perhaps you didn't see me write I'M OUT. And you pissed me off.

So take your mined-too-quick still-not-documented anon-coin and don't utter my name again. As you can probably tell I'm pretty damn sore about this and would best be left alone.

Good luck or whatever. I'M OUT

No he didn't.

Did. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10016860

Farewell WC

* child_harold drops the mic

Wheatclove

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Quote from: child_harold on September 10, 2015, 05:36:53 PM

Quote from: rutherford on September 10, 2015, 10:07:15 AM

edu-online: CH...do you realize that you have done nothing but insult Shadows developers? I've seen new community members put in more effort then you while you have been around for more then 1 year. All you do is complain and act as if we are all on a pay-roll of some company you hold shares in. There is a documentation team working around the clock just to make sure our developers can spend all of their time working on developing and testing new releases. Me and ffmad (and many others) have spend the majority of our day working on Shadows documentation, what have you been doing? Now...instead of replying to this message and trying to convince me I'm wrong...try asking me how you can contribute and try to be of help instead.

Are you shitting me?

I have spent more time, energy and % of my money on Shadow than many Team members. It was an unhealthy obsession which is now ended.

So your doing the documentation now? The docs for Zeuner? Will you also be updating the whitepaper of shdowsendv2 with the word cryptonote? Peter Todd (in this thread) said it looks like cryptonote. So did smooth. That's where we still are today, after months and months and months.

Perhaps you didn't see me write I'M OUT. And you pissed me off.

So take your mined-too-quick still-not-documented anon-coin and don't utter my name again. As you can probably tell I'm pretty damn sore about this and would best be left alone.

Good luck or whatever. I'M OUT

No he didn't.

child_harold

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Quote from: rutherford on September 10, 2015, 10:07:15 AM

edu-online: CH...do you realize that you have done nothing but insult Shadows developers? I've seen new community members put in more effort then you while you have been around for more then 1 year. All you do is complain and act as if we are all on a pay-roll of some company you hold shares in. There is a documentation team working around the clock just to make sure our developers can spend all of their time working on developing and testing new releases. Me and ffmad (and many others) have spend the majority of our day working on Shadows documentation, what have you been doing? Now...instead of replying to this message and trying to convince me I'm wrong...try asking me how you can contribute and try to be of help instead.

Are you shitting me?

I have spent more time, energy and % of my money on Shadow than many Team members. It was an unhealthy obsession which is now ended.

So your doing the documentation now? The docs for Zeuner? Will you also be updating the whitepaper of shdowsendv2 with the word cryptonote? Peter Todd (in this thread) said it looks like cryptonote. So did smooth. That's where we still are today, after months and months and months.

Perhaps you didn't see me write I'M OUT. And you pissed me off.

So take your mined-too-quick still-not-documented anon-coin and don't utter my name again. As you can probably tell I'm pretty damn sore about this and would best be left alone.

Good luck or whatever. I'M OUT

rutherford

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edu-online: CH...do you realize that you have done nothing but insult Shadows developers? I've seen new community members put in more effort then you while you have been around for more then 1 year. All you do is complain and act as if we are all on a pay-roll of some company you hold shares in. There is a documentation team working around the clock just to make sure our developers can spend all of their time working on developing and testing new releases. Me and ffmad (and many others) have spend the majority of our day working on Shadows documentation, what have you been doing? Now...instead of replying to this message and trying to convince me I'm wrong...try asking me how you can contribute and try to be of help instead.

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Quote from: rynomster on September 10, 2015, 09:34:31 AM

Hey guys

We're currently working on the gitian build for qt 5.4.2 to add Windows 10 support, as well as the gitian Mac builds.
Hopefully if all goes well we will have the latest testnet release ready for you today.

glad to hear, things moving up ...

rynomster

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Hey guys

We're currently working on the gitian build for qt 5.4.2 to add Windows 10 support, as well as the gitian Mac builds.
Hopefully if all goes well we will have the latest testnet release ready for you today.

ffmad

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If people are interested in helping building the documentation, you can join us on Slack.

It's going at a good pace

(and lot of people from shadow's community are already helping)

child_harold

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Quote from: LongAndShort on September 08, 2015, 11:19:40 AM

@child_harold You are being a nusance, you dont like the answers given, you are harassing us now. Three times now i've asked you to make your own thread. This is the last time i ask.

You are offtopic in Shadows Announcment thread. Please move to your own thread and we can continue the dicussion there.

This is the last time i ask you!

To censor, insult and then threaten members of this community for expressing concerns and asking questions about Zeuner or the review is criminal.

That a member of the Team should defensively attack the community at large for not providing this documentation themselves is mind-boggling.

Asking us to address these issues on other threads is just stupid. Isidor was announced here and should be followed up here.

Perhaps Shadow has great tech. But nobody will ever know about it. To not provide the documentation required to appreciate your creation results in my assumption that your creation is not worth appreciation.

Talk of HD wallets and markets is meaningless to me without well-documented and tested anonymity.

I have no desire to get any more heat for this obvious catastrophe and the last thing I want is LongAndShort doxing me.

PM me if you wanna buy my donation and take your seat waiting for history.

You wont be hearing from me again so spare me your threats. Enjoy your cheap coins.

I'M OUT.

Wheatclove

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https://github.com/ShadowProject/shadow/commits/v1.3.3

child_arnold

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Quote from: LongAndShort on September 08, 2015, 11:19:40 AM

@child_harold You are being a nusance, you dont like the answers given, you are harassing us now. Three times now i've asked you to make your own thread. This is the last time i ask.

You are offtopic in Shadows Announcment thread. Please move to your own thread and we can continue the dicussion there.

This is the last time i ask you!

This is the last time I ask you too Child Harold!

LongAndShort

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@child_harold You are being a nusance, you dont like the answers given, you are harassing us now. Three times now i've asked you to make your own thread. This is the last time i ask.

You are offtopic in Shadows Announcment thread. Please move to your own thread and we can continue the dicussion there.

This is the last time i ask you!

Wheatclove

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Quote from: child_harold on September 08, 2015, 11:09:27 AM

Quote from: Wheatclove on September 08, 2015, 10:58:29 AM

Quote from: child_harold on September 08, 2015, 10:41:30 AM

Quote from: Wheatclove on September 08, 2015, 10:16:38 AM

Complain...

Stop.

That a member of the Team is suggesting the community or that you yourself might somehow assist with preparing the technical info required by IZ and others to study the anon more closely is totally crazy, at least to me.

Will IZ get the tech info he requests before 2016, or do we have to wait till after market release?

It's not that technical. It's all just logic. Track/map the variables through the functions in which they're used. Add comments. Repeat.

The most technical part of the code was it's creation and bug free implementation. Now it's pretty damn simple.

If I had the time, I'd do it. The devs have most likely opted out of commenting/documenting the code due to the limited funding. They opted to do the more difficult work first as it's more important to get done before funding runs out.

How much time?

Even if what you are saying is true, which I doubt, it makes the current situation even more ridiculous.

How much time? A few hours a day? 15 minutes a day? The time it takes is irrelevant if your unwilling to dedicate any time to the project outside of complaining on these forums and arguing with other projects.

child_harold

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Quote from: Wheatclove on September 08, 2015, 10:58:29 AM

Quote from: child_harold on September 08, 2015, 10:41:30 AM

Quote from: Wheatclove on September 08, 2015, 10:16:38 AM

Complain...

Stop.

That a member of the Team is suggesting the community or that you yourself might somehow assist with preparing the technical info required by IZ and others to study the anon more closely is totally crazy, at least to me.

Will IZ get the tech info he requests before 2016, or do we have to wait till after market release?

It's not that technical. It's all just logic. Track/map the variables through the functions in which they're used. Add comments. Repeat.

The most technical part of the code was it's creation and bug free implementation. Now it's pretty damn simple.

If I had the time, I'd do it. The devs have most likely opted out of commenting/documenting the code due to the limited funding. They opted to do the more difficult work first as it's more important to get done before funding runs out.

How much time?

Even if what you are saying is true, which I doubt, it makes the current situation even more ridiculous.

Wheatclove

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Quote from: child_harold on September 08, 2015, 10:41:30 AM

Quote from: Wheatclove on September 08, 2015, 10:16:38 AM

Complain...

Stop.

That a member of the Team is suggesting the community or that you yourself might somehow assist with preparing the technical info required by IZ and others to study the anon more closely is totally crazy, at least to me.

Will IZ get the tech info he requests before 2016, or do we have to wait till after market release?

It's not that technical. It's all just logic. Track/map the variables through the functions in which they're used. Add comments. Repeat.

The most technical part of the code was it's creation and bug free implementation. Now it's pretty damn simple.

If I had the time, I'd do it. The devs have most likely opted out of commenting/documenting the code due to the limited funding. They opted to do the more difficult work first as it's more important to get done before funding runs out.

child_harold

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Quote from: Wheatclove on September 08, 2015, 10:16:38 AM

Complain...

Stop.

That a member of the Team is suggesting the community or that you yourself might somehow assist with preparing the technical info required by IZ and others to study the anon more closely is totally crazy, at least to me.

Will IZ get the tech info he requests before 2016, or do we have to wait till after market release?

Wheatclove

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Complain about a lack of documentation.
Complain about the length of time between releases.
Complain about a lack of update posts.

Complain about...

Complain...

Stop.

child_harold

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Quote from: Wheatclove on September 08, 2015, 09:39:08 AM

Quote from: ffmad on September 08, 2015, 09:34:32 AM

Quote from: bangomatic on September 08, 2015, 08:15:37 AM

I doubt that anyone outside the core development team can write accurate technical papers explaining what and why of the code. if the guy u hired to review the code cant figure it out, then whoever wrote the code will have to do that work. its not a community project. im not attacking anyone here, but again its nothing the community can accomplish.

Of course it needs help from core devs, but on the contrary writing the documentation is a good way for the community to understand better the tech behind shadow.

It's not something we can't accomplish

It seems like a few very vocal community members are against improving their knowledge of the technology that they support.. I started out in crypto last year during the cloakcoin fiasco, and I've improved my understanding of cryptocurrencies tremendously with reading papers, researching terms and ideas I dont understand, and asking lots of questions.

If I wasn't so busy with school, my job, and raising my daughter, I'd be all over this task. Don't understand what excuses child_harold has.

I was a fucking noob, not even fully understanding the concept of the blockchain. Saw the opportunity to make money. Figured it was foolish to "invest" in things of which i had zero working knowledge. Started learning. Lost money but fell in love with the technology being developed in this field.

What excuse I have for not writing the technical documentation for the code written by ryno and TV?

Have you people lost your minds? Are you mental? I literally cannot believe Im being asked to provide excuses for why I can obviously not do that, even with 10 years of study starting today. I could do a howto but it is totally insane to expect community members, or even want community members, to explain ryno's code. bangomatic is of course right.

ffmad and wheat: you guys have taken leave of ur senses.

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