Topic: SealsWithClubs.eu | Largest Bitcoin Poker Site | No Banking | Fast Cashouts - page 193. (Read 1404025 times)

What is SwC transaction log policy?  Are deposits / withdrawals and internal transfers stored forever?

♣)  Our collusion detection system, while we should never speak of the exact methods for obvious reasons, is likely more robust than imagined by the average player.  A mix of human brains and code that I am quite confident in - we simply refuse to have colluders destroying the integrity of our game.
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micon at ourpokersitesoddname dot eu to sign up for the affiliate program or for any issue at all.  My digital door is always open.

When it gets implemented properly, the only things left are the following: super-users and collusion. There's little you can do about the last one (except for people to actively monitor it), but restricted admin access is one way of taking care of the first.

As for dice sites, they can always cheat their investors, whether that's SD trading on a securities exchange, or JD with their built-in "invest" feature. You just have to rely on the operators that they won't do that.

All gaming sites know their own secrets, thus they can play their own sockpuppets and win. The only exceptions are games which determine a winner after a set deadline, with all the secrets they use unknown until after that time. Like a lotto.

All other games which are real time, can't work that way, otherwise no one will play because you have this stupid delay for every turn or something. Imagine if you played a dice site, and you'll only find out if you won or lost tomorrow? (That's exactly how my lotto works btw, but people are told specifically to wait for the results.)

That's almost a given with the more popular gaming websites. Some things, you have to just trust. Otherwise, don't play there.

Dutch playing in the 2013 main event. Watched a hand where he was all in after making the money and hitting a 3 outer on river to survive. He wasn't wearing any seals apparel! Lame. Never knew he was in a big hand with moneymaker sick hand with the 33 vs kq race.

I just find provably fair to be an awful lot of effort for poker, with little advantage.  The deal can be provably fair all you want, but if a site wants to cheat you they will not rig the deal, they will just have players that can see your hole cards.  Much easier from a programming perspective.  Does not affect statistical card frequencies.  Can be used in subtle ways so that they don't stick out like Potripper.  In the end, unlike a Satoshi dice site or the like, you simply have to be able to trust a poker site.

I'll let individuals decide if they want to keep their mucked cards secret or not, the site shouldn't publish them if it involves any amount of real money. Play money is fair game, you might as well reveal the entire deck afterwards.

I do have a possible solution that already allows players to verify visible cards, the order dealt, and consistent with the hashed deck.


Micon, you're actually on to something, if not exactly like that, then something similar.

Personally I would advise you to play heads up. There are numerous occasion when there was talk about collusion on the highest games on the internet on PokerStars and almost every major site.
On Stars and the other sites you have to be doxxed and they have very complex systems to check against collusion.
Some forms of collusion just aren't detectable.
For example sharing of huge amounts of action between players (especially dangerous if they are playing short handed).
We just have to deal with this issue because playing anonymous is necessary for the development of online poker.
HUD's/databases have destroyed the beautiful old school days of online poker.

We have maintenance downtime scheduled for 11am ET Friday the 23rd. It should last 30 minutes or less. Some tournaments that would otherwise be interrupted will be canceled we'll have a nice freeroll afterwards.

Totally not a rigtard here, but I'd like to see a fair PLO being spread so I could play it.  I just don't play that game with nicks I don't recognize, and I usually don't.  Not sure how to deal with the collusion issue other than avoiding it.

ah, I remember back in the day when we would give out free chips on a simple request.  We haven't done that for a long time but we faithfully keep our totally free freeroll up popping off 1x per hour. 



1)  disconnects are being worked on by the ST6: connectivity team.  We will resolve the issue, our team works extremely hard each day

2) "jazzing up" hands would take an even more monumental effort than "running the largest bitcoin poker site."   The theory about "poker is rigged" can be attributed to the human brain not quite grasping large-scale independent probabilities.


1)  [email protected] for all affiliate Q's & to sign up.

2)  Freemoney already mentioned the error, we pay any positive balance weekly.  Of course you can play poker with those chips or instantly cash out to a hash, no BS ever. 

* sidenote:  I laugh at "traditional" online sites that make rules like "you have to play x amount of hands in order to take YOUR money out"  As a player I know what it feels like to have a site dick you around.  We simply have tried to remove all of that BS from SwC.   IMO bitcoin is about making your money under your direct control, and the poker site of said currency should certainly echo that.  I know many ppl use SwC simply as a wallet, which is totally fine - please use us as a free service if you'd like.

That is old and left over from when affiliate payments were manual and 2 BTC was a cheap meal.

As long as you've earned a full single chip that you haven't been paid for you'll get it on Monday.

There is no pop up notification for affiliate payments like there are for rakeback, but you can see your payments using a link near the bottom of the My Account page.

Oh, that changes everything, thank you!

I think that is a typo.

It is not 2 BTC, it is 2 seals chips (0.002 BTC)


dave23

I have a question about the affiliate program, in the description it says " Affiliate earnings paid monthly (must have over 2 BTC in earnings or account rolls over, you never lose credit)", I've noticed that chips generated from my referrals are being added to my balance in 24 hours or so after confirmed.

So, no 2 BTC minimum required? I assume I can play with those chips, right?

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An ongoing problem that I have is disconnects.  They seem, but I can not prove, that they happen far more often when I have a hot hand or when I am near or at the money line in a tournement.  I won't even play in tournies anymore that cost more than 10 chips to enter.  Suddenly my wireless disconnects and has to be reset.   IS it possible for other players to remotely grab your IP and send a signal that causes disruption?  Possibly.  I understand that a lot of players have access to other players' IP addresses.  That in itself is an extremely questionable arrangement.

Another curious thing about this operation is the tremendous degree of suckouts ... which we can here define as 2 or more players going all in before the river but and the one with the lesser hand winning.  This seems to happen far more often than it should.  One good way to study that is to just watch and see what the results are for a hundred events with suck-out potential (that is... going all in, and seeing how that works out a hundred times.  Then you would have a hard statistic.  The number wouldn't say too much in an absolute sense (unless it was enormously high... and it might be)... but what you could then do is go to other a few other sites and make similar observations.  Simple college statistical analysis would reveal in short order if there were something going on there.  A lot of the big poker sites are not available in the states, else I'd be inclined to make the time and give it a go myself.

Why would hands be jazzed up...?  More excitement, and.. more rake.

Just my opinions

1)  I appreciate the candid discussion about provably fair.  The group has discussed this many times, and is something for the future

2)  Server side improvements continue.  SwC is actively building as we are listening.




We run a freeroll every hour + FFF's randomly


one possible idea along these same lines is a private-public key system where my un-seen holecards can have 2 different private keys and I could then "show 1"  if I wanted after the hand.  Maybe the public keys could checksum to prove it's a valid deck without revealing the actual cards. 

just 1 non-programmers' idea that isn't exactly a solution...

#6 is the main obvious problem to solve, the only one I mentioned.

No site that I know of shows the whole deck after the hand is over, nor folded cards.

Some sites, maybe most, write mucked hands of players who call and lose at showdown to the hand history file, but don't show them during play.  Hand histories will show these mucked cards, your own cards, plus all dealt community cards and up cards for stud games.

There needs to be some kind of hash of the deck, which is revealed after the hand.  It needs to work in such a way that allows players to verify that all visible cards, and the order dealt, are consistent with the hashed deck.

Without hijacking the thread, I'm testing what I believe will turn out to be a provably fair game of poker or any other card game for that matter.

What would be the requirements for such an assertion? I'll try to enumerate.
1. Players can cut or shuffle the deck. Without seeing the cards.
2. Players see all server hashes (SHA256) before the game starts.
3. Players see only what they are allowed to see.
4. Players can verify their own cards.
5. Players can see the deck is being shuffled, without knowing the cards.
6. Players can not verify cards they are not meant to see, like folds, mucks, and the unused deck.

Am I missing something? Some of the above may look like duplicates.

I have no solution yet for 6 to verify without knowing the cards, so that may be my only flaw at this point.

Btw, this also means hand histories and analysis are just for your own cards, right? Or do other poker websites reveal the deck after the hand?

Oh yah, I don't want to derail this thread, so you may reply on my thread instead. Its in the games subforum under gambling.

Thanks.

The only idea I can come up with for verification would be listing all the client seeds after the game is complete. It would be hard to verify during the game anyways. So after completion, you are given whatever was input prior to the game, so you can check back to make sure everything went the way it 'should have'