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Topic: SealsWithClubs.eu | Largest Bitcoin Poker Site | No Banking | Fast Cashouts - page 194. (Read 1404025 times)

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No, it isn't provably fair.  Nobody has actually figured out how to do that yet.  I know you're working on it, but if you succeed, you will be the first person to manage this feat.

It sounds very hard to do for poker.  For one thing, you don't want people to know the cards that other players folded even after the hand is over.

What if each person were to just input a client seed prior to the game, and the combined inputs would be the shuffle?

Say its a 20 digit seed. 1st round shuffle would be the 1st digit, 2nd shuffle the 2nd digit, etc.

How do you verify without being given the whole deck after the hand?
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No, it isn't provably fair.  Nobody has actually figured out how to do that yet.  I know you're working on it, but if you succeed, you will be the first person to manage this feat.

It sounds very hard to do for poker.  For one thing, you don't want people to know the cards that other players folded even after the hand is over.

What if each person were to just input a client seed prior to the game, and the combined inputs would be the shuffle?

Say its a 20 digit seed. 1st round shuffle would be the combination of all 1st digit inputs, 2nd shuffle the 2nd digit, etc.
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No, it isn't provably fair.  Nobody has actually figured out how to do that yet.  I know you're working on it, but if you succeed, you will be the first person to manage this feat.

It sounds very hard to do for poker.  For one thing, you don't want people to know the cards that other players folded even after the hand is over.
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Hi. I'm sorry I didn't read all 114 pages, but I have a quick question that isn't answered anywhere in the website. Is this game provably fair? Meaning, can players verify they were dealt cards from a fairly shuffled deck, or do we just have to trust the software client and server that this is happening? (When I say "provably fair", I'm talking about stuff like on bitcoin dice sites, where you can see you won or lost fairly.)

No, it isn't provably fair.  Nobody has actually figured out how to do that yet.  I know you're working on it, but if you succeed, you will be the first person to manage this feat.

There have, in fact, been collusion gangs busted and kicked off Seals, specifically at the Pot-Limit Omaha tables.  Players caught them, and the site removed them, and divvied up the stolen money between the victims.
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I sort of love the 50/50 table.  Very cool idea
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Hi. I'm sorry I didn't read all 114 pages, but I have a quick question that isn't answered anywhere in the website. Is this game provably fair? Meaning, can players verify they were dealt cards from a fairly shuffled deck, or do we just have to trust the software client and server that this is happening? (When I say "provably fair", I'm talking about stuff like on bitcoin dice sites, where you can see you won or lost fairly.)
In the BTC community provably fair is obviously very important. Yet with poker, millions of hands, several devices (site/client/android) this might be a bit difficult (I don't know details of the process tbh - I only know basics from your lotto Cool)

Most times on poker websites they have certificates from trusted companies that have tested the RNG. For example on the biggest site Stars: http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/rng/

Like addi said, Seals uses Briggs Softworks' Poker Mavens. They do not have certificates for the RNG (probably because this costs > a lot <) But the advantage of this software is that other companies and sites also use that (which for me makes it a bit more trustworthy.) There is also a open source Card Shuffling Simulator to check this: http://www.briggsoft.com/docs/pmavens/Utilities.htm#shuffle Obviously in the end I think Seals just have a decent history and with that a lot of trust.
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Hi. I'm sorry I didn't read all 114 pages, but I have a quick question that isn't answered anywhere in the website. Is this game provably fair? Meaning, can players verify they were dealt cards from a fairly shuffled deck, or do we just have to trust the software client and server that this is happening? (When I say "provably fair", I'm talking about stuff like on bitcoin dice sites, where you can see you won or lost fairly.)

You have to trust the software producers Briggs Softworks which their software is bought from
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Hi. I'm sorry I didn't read all 114 pages, but I have a quick question that isn't answered anywhere in the website. Is this game provably fair? Meaning, can players verify they were dealt cards from a fairly shuffled deck, or do we just have to trust the software client and server that this is happening? (When I say "provably fair", I'm talking about stuff like on bitcoin dice sites, where you can see you won or lost fairly.)
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Thanks for that! Ended up winning it Smiley
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I have seen this issue happen to me before, but not in a very long time.  It's a known display issue where according to our system you rec'd cards, the hand was fine, but you couldn't see your hole cards (which I know is extremely annoying and obviously a loss of equity - please email us and we can offer you some small compensation, such as a free FFF code, similar to these: FFF-T5F9ST36AA | FFF-5!T4STS69T | FFF-T9S6ASA453 )

No biggie, I just wanted to let you guys know in case it was something new with that nodcclient.
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In the above situation, I should say I was dealt no cards when I posted the BB, but I still had the action stop on me.

I have seen this issue happen to me before, but not in a very long time.  It's a known display issue where according to our system you rec'd cards, the hand was fine, but you couldn't see your hole cards (which I know is extremely annoying and obviously a loss of equity - please email us and we can offer you some small compensation, such as a free FFF code, similar to these: FFF-T5F9ST36AA | FFF-5!T4STS69T | FFF-T9S6ASA453 )

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micon is the seals client currently being developed?

its seems we been on the 0.2.14 for ages lol



thats would be nice!

since most of the poker clients only support winblows
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Got a weird bug today with the new client.  Hand #11327235-473 I posted the BB but was dealt no cards.  I did not think to go options > refresh table, but if it ever happens again I will try that.  The hand history did not get saved, I had to pull the number out of the chat.  It may be because a waitlisted table opened at the same time the hand was dealt?

In the above situation, I should say I was dealt no cards when I posted the BB, but I still had the action stop on me.

There are definitely issues with the nodc client. Later in the session I had a real disconnect, and had to force close the client.  When I logged back in, the tables came back showing my hole cards from prior hands.

I rolled back to the regular client, because during a real disconnect I can log back in fast enough to continue my hands, and I only got them every few hours.
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micon is the seals client currently being developed?

its seems we been on the 0.2.14 for ages lol



We've been working on the mac and linux clients. After the specific things that need done to support the other OS are in place regular development will continue.
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micon is the seals client currently being developed?

its seems we been on the 0.2.14 for ages lol

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