Topic: Second chances (Read 3797 times)

People always have a lot of time to waste, don't pay any attention to it in my opinion.
The second chance was missed and it is best not to pay any more attention to this case.
the second chance is a beautiful way to give anyone the chance to redeem themselves, it makes sense and is in full NAP style, if you understand what i say

It will take a few months for the sociopath to be back in DT, that's what I am saying.


I just wasn't trying to help you. And don't get me wrong, if I had the evidence or any clue you wanted I would have written you a PM, but I don't have it.


That is not correct, I am not accusing him. I am expressing an opinion, which is different.

Perhaps it was assistance from a creative mind who managed to connect accounts in a way I hadn't previously thought. But more than that, peace of mind, and knowing another sociopath is off DT.

What you did wasn't helpful. I kindly asked, "Please write me a PM rather than posting your results here or elsewhere." Anybody can accuse anybody of anything, but without presenting some kind of evidence, its just hearsay.

Like trying to scam members in this forum 
If he even had any possibility of getting a second chance, now that is completely gone. Perhaps he's just going to create another alt and try ranking it up.

The fact the moderators were seen by many to be lenient towards him gave the encouragement to continue. Without doubt Naim027 is a chief manipulator and he would go to any lengths to keep his accounts away from scrutiny. He is trying to avoid giving/receiving merits from his farmed accounts and avoids attracting unnecessary attention to all his accounts.

Either Learn Bitcoin did not bother to reply to your allegation after reading it or he does not know about it. As he has not posted in this thread I would assume he does know what was stated. It would be interesting to read his response.

EDIT: I sent Learn Bitcoin a PM directing him to this thread. His comments (if he makes any) will be read with interest.

Like what ?

And you expect to get something out of it? I remind you that he was unbanned from the forum and when it was later proved that he had ban evading he was not banned again. So from the forum, the moderators or theymos, I doubt they would do anything. The only thing is that he would be painted with a lot of red tags, but it seems that he is getting better and better at it and he is not making mistakes (or he makes fewer) than with the first accounts he had.

He knows how often to post and where to post to get merits, he knows how to get into DT, he knows how to gain positive trust, he is mastering how to rank up good accounts on bitcointalk.

What's more, I'll tell you, I've long believed that this is one of naim027's accounts:

Learn Bitcoin

But I also believe that with this account he is not being a jerk and I doubt very much that he is going to be, since it is profitable enough for him to comply with the rules.

We're talking about a user from Bangladesh, where the average monthly salary is $238-$245. It will be very difficult to find local job that pays more than a signature campaign here, even if it's "just" one account.

I dunno, if you have 4 accounts making $80 a week each, that's a pretty good chunk of change; enough money for a lot of the world to live comfortably on. And they don't have to do anything except crank out shitposts -- no overhead costs, such as paying for gas, transportation, business expenses, etc.


There is the ever-present risk of getting busted and their accounts getting negged or banned, so yeah, it would be smart for them to diversify into off-forum employment, even if elsewhere on the internet.

Check how much time owners of hundreds of accounts spend participating in Bounty, a place where there is a risk of not earning anything at all. If these people spend a day on bounty, then why won't others, who can pretend to be different personalities, participate in several signature companies? To be fair, this is better than bounty. Although I do not justify either one or the other, sometimes the poverty of life, not always greed, forces people to sit from morning to evening in front of the monitor. We can only sympathize with them and advise them not to try to deceive more than they have already deceived. On the other hand, alternative accounts are allowed, and I simply do not see any other use than several accounts from one owner to increase profits. Very few people use alternatives in other honest cases. But I agree that to be yourself and use the forum as a person and not as a bot, one account is enough.

A person managing multiple accounts at the same time and farming reputation and merits on all of them is something I will never be able to understand, either this person has a lot of free time, or it is some kind of compulsion... Even if you can make money on campaigns with multiple accounts, wouldn't it be easier to use this free time to simply work? It would certainly make a lot more money than farming accounts to cheat the system.

Anyway, as JollyGood mentioned, he may live in a poor place, but there are other ways to make money with the internet, it has no borders (in most countries) you can very well create content, sell things... infinite possibilities.

I do not browse that local board therefore do not know what is going on there but without a doubt he must be prolific when it comes to being a member using that local board and operating a farm at the same time. I have suspicions about some of them but nothing conclusive.

Keeping that aside, if it is true and he has infiltrated DT1 then that is something that could be detrimental to the trust system especially since he will try to add some/all of his other accounts on DT2 and try to manipulate the system.

Considering how many accounts he had, all active on the same small local board, I'd be surprised if he doesn't have more accounts. It always makes me wonder which of the high-Merit accounts on that local board are owned by him.

He has several accounts, there is no doubt about that but it is a matter of having enough evidence to post about it.

I remember very early on when I questioned him wanting to jump on to campaigns and that his feedback would affect participation, I recall him stating campaigns did not mean much to him as he was earning a lot of money away from the forum. In my experience, when most members with dubious posting patterns make that claim they are usually lying but when members with dubious posting history from countries where poverty is rife are making that claim it becomes almost impossible to believe.

Much of his real life finances probably depend on campaigns, I think he is almost fully dependant on the forum for the majority of his income and he wants to operate as many accounts as possible for two reasons. One is to maximise his income and another is to have enough accounts operating to generate that income if any of his accounts are tagged and rendered useless. Also, if he can get to DT1/2 and have any influence in forum related consensus to further his agenda he will use it.

Forum members should not forget: Naim027 is a chief manipulator that would stoop to the lowest of all gutter-levels in order to further his own agenda.

That was always going to be the effect of having at least one of his accounts on DT2, eventually DT1 would happen.

I have some names in mind, I will send a PM within a couple of days. I am 100% sure at least one of the names you suspect will be one of the names that I suspect.

Update:


He's now reached a level of obnoxiousness I can barely stand anymore.


Bumped up to DT1 now...

I'm offering a 50 Merit reward for whoever can bring conclusive evidence (presentable by forum standards) that Naim027 lives on via multiple accounts on the forum.

Won't go into details about my own suspicions so as not to introduce bias into the investigations of others.

Please write me a PM rather than posting your results here or elsewhere, thanks.

Username: rickadone
Constructive post: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.48642310

What do you expect of anyone that's already fed up with the usual shenanigans of a regular plagiarist?? You ain't tired already? Okay, I understand you're just a little bit bewildered but that's okay..  
It's pretty much like the old times, in our youthful days; if we told a lie and it was beginning to get sour, we'd be toast.. For that reason, we'd constantly build some other rehabilitations... I'll barely be able convince a 7 year old kid into feeling empathy with an impossible one like, say -- "oh yeah my mum? She swallowed a shovel yesterday and she's in the theater for an operation" right? Now that's exactly how their cookie-cutter stories sound like..!!

 way too soft!!! He ain't even got one constructive post regardless... You told 'em nothing but the truth; he doesn't have a chance.

Oh, that and so many other things as well.  Come to think of it, I haven't read an entertaining, excuse- and apology-filled ban appeal thread in quite some time.  A year and a half ago or thereabouts Meta used to be filled with them, but those types of threads have become kind of scarce.  Has anyone else noticed that or is it just me?

GreatOrchid, regardless of the fairness of the forum, it doesn't apply in your case unless you get rejected after pointing out a substantially constructive post you've made (as others have pointed out to you).  Personally I think this offer of a second chance is being way too soft on banned members, and a permaban should truly be permanent.  I'd wish you good luck, but that would be insincere.

Seriously?? I thought it were atleast 50 constructive post? Sorry, I may not have read too much at the time I bumped into this post by Cyrus but literally, 1 post is way too small for a user to not fall in that category. Its more like a free pass so, if anyone fails make it out, there was totally no point of lurking around in the first place...
You haven't given me any merits   bahaha!!

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Personally, I do like the idea as well... I feel alot of cases in the past may have been badly judged -- although I can't wrap my head around that fact particularly, but there's definitely a need for a review, reassurance and acceptance after a fair number of years.

Here I will rephrase it for you, maybe you read the requirements, but did you understand them?
This is what LoyceV meant when he asked you (bolded part)

You won't believe it, but all banned users claim the same thing.