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Quote from: Hatchy on December 11, 2023, 09:30:33 PM

What I'm wondering is if this means that banned users are still using the forum with new accounts because that seems to be the only way they can receive this message and request to have their old account unbanned.

There are/were sufficient cases where the banned users either bump their appeals, send us PMs from time to time, talk off-forum to other members about their forum account, etc. There are several legit ways banned users could find out about this thread. However, I suggest people circumventing their ban through another account to try and come clean about everything.

Quote from: tranthidung on December 11, 2023, 09:30:40 PM

This change gives people who committed plagiarism and got a permanent ban, a third chance, not a second chance.

Not really. That would imply being pardoned and repeating the offense. The possibility of appealing a ban from the "good for the forum as a whole" perspective did indeed already exist - IIRC signature bans were added in support of this back then.
This thread acknowledges the possibility of an appeal and also provides a more clear guideline, all wrapped in a Holiday spirit fashion.

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Farewell o_e_l_e_o

This change gives people who committed plagiarism and got a permanent ban, a third chance, not a second chance.

Why is it a third chance?

Second chance was introduced in 2018, 2019.
Many people who were banned with plagiarism failed with their attempts to appeal for their ban
- [BAN APPEAL]UPDATE: Total table + Ban status (Need feedback from Global mods)

Quote from: hilariousandco on October 25, 2018, 10:10:02 AM

Second chances can be given and you can argue that the punishment is harsh, but at the moment the rules are pretty clear that if you're caught plagiarising then it's a permaban. Once we start making exceptions for people it just opens up a huge can of worms and then everyone else who's had a ban will come out of the woodwork and complain it's not fair to them and people who are banned in the future will use this case as an example why they should be given another chance.

PM theymos or cyrus and make your case to them and maybe they will remove it. I'm not against second chances but there needs to be some consistency so it's fair to all. Hopefully signature bans could be issued in cases like this instead and people can keep their accounts, but at the moment I just wish people would stop plagiarising content so these bans aren't even needed in the first place and it's truly a sad state of affairs that they are.

Quote from: theymos on February 24, 2019, 11:57:17 AM

There's been no policy change. redsn0w wasn't permanently banned due to several factors which made me think that permabanning him would be a net negative for the forum. Nobody is banned strictly because of "the rules"; it's always handled case-by-case, but almost always, plagiarists deserve to be permabanned.

If you think that a ban should be ended, make your case in a new topic from a "good for the forum as a whole" perspective.

Quote from: Hatchy on December 11, 2023, 09:30:33 PM

I'm aware that some banned users try to appeal by creating new accounts, although not all of these accounts are unbanned.

Because they don't deserve with a second chance so their appeals were refused.

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What I'm wondering is if this means that banned users are still using the forum with new accounts because that seems to be the only way they can receive this message and request to have their old account unbanned.

If they have alts, they can see this thread with their alts and will try to make grave jumpers from their banned accounts.

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It looks like a good idea, I don't know if should be asking this, @Cyrus since I'm still a low ranked member,

but my question is this: "If the initial punishment for being banned was to never create a new account and to leave the forum completely, and if creating a new account is considered ban evasion, how do you plan to communicate this message to banned accounts falling into these categories?" I'm aware that some banned users try to appeal by creating new accounts, although not all of these accounts are unbanned.

What I'm wondering is if this means that banned users are still using the forum with new accounts because that seems to be the only way they can receive this message and request to have their old account unbanned.

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'The right to privacy matters'

nice. my compliments to the person that made this plan come into being.

Cyrus

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It's that time of the year again... and it's at least as good a time as any to reflect on both the good, and the bad; to think about how we can do better in the future; and also to... forgive. Regarding that last one, we've decided that for a limited time, we will be considering unbanning users previously banned for plagiarism.

This is not a blanket amnesty. We take plagiarism very seriously. Not just any banned account will be unbanned, not all sanctions will be lifted, and we'll be watching the unbanned users like hawks.

Here are the requirements:

You must have been banned already for an extended period of time, at least 6 months.
You must point to at least 1 really good, constructive post you've made.
A ban on wearing a signature will be added, equal to at least 2 years minus however long you were banned.

How to apply:
If you already registered an account to post in Meta for a ban appeal then simply reply to this thread.
If you didn't register another account send an email to this address: [email protected]

Example info to include:

Code:

Username:
Constructive post:

We will post all of the unbanned users in this thread. Hopefully in the future we'll look back on this as proof of the value of forgiveness and second chances. (Otherwise, maybe we'll look back on this as a reason not to do it again in the future.)

Enjoy the Holidays and Happy 2024 everyone!

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