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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on December 12, 2023, 04:41:23 AM

Quote from: Jessie2121 on December 12, 2023, 04:06:55 AM

Hope this second chance won't cause much damage on the forum. Good idea OP but I feel some don't deserve it at all because out of a 100 persons that are victims we only have 2-5 persons who can boldly say they have changed for good.

Yeah, you got that right. I've seen a lot of ban appeal threads, and frankly I wouldn't give 99% of them a second chance, as those threads consist of:

1. Lies
2. Excuses
3. Begging
4. Rationalizing
5. Blaming others
6. Raging against the mods
7. Assholes who have zillions of accounts that are already banned.

That's the main problem just like you listed above, these set of persons knows why they had to do what they did before their account got banned, is like a thing of joy for them. Sometimes I ask why do we have adult with the behavior of a child? Giving that oblivious look at things they're suppose to correct when they're doing wrong, I mean is just annoying. On these issue I don't really think many would turn up, the traffic won't be that much.

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Quote from: SamReomo on December 12, 2023, 09:41:17 AM

I believe that text generated through AI isn't a direct form of plagiarism

Why?

Quote from: https://www.oed.com/search/dictionary/?scope=Entries&q=plagiarism

plagiarism, n.
The action or practice of taking someone else's work, idea, etc., and passing it off as one's own; literary theft.

Someone created a chat bot, that means anything the chat bot spits out is created by someone. The spammer that posts it on Bitcointalk passes it off as their own, which makes it plagiarism by definition.

Even worse: it's the laziest form of plagiarism, while it's difficult to detect. If it doesn't get punished by bans, people will stop reporting it and this entire forum will be lost. There's no limit to the amount of spam a bot can create.

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Quote from: Lucius on December 12, 2023, 07:11:16 AM

Can the forum finally equate such posts with plagiarism and send a clear message that this is not something that will be tolerated on the forum?

I believe that text generated through AI isn't a direct form of plagiarism but something which we can't really name anything else other than AI generated text. The text that AI generates can be wrong information which can lead to many problems and the worst thing about those AI models is that they have taken text and data from so many sources that it would be difficult to find that which source the model is using to generate data.

The AI text is highly unacceptable for the members of this forum who put a lot of effort to make posts but officially it isn't against the rules of the forum yet. I would say that AI generated text fits better into spam category and it should be considered unacceptable but the problem is that most of the AI text generating are getting improved with each new version and who knows that in coming days it would be impossible for any AI content detectors to detect that either a text is generated by AI text generator or a human.

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I think that in most cases people deserve a second chance, but I also think that most of those who were banned for plagiarism, and in some way were of value to the forum, have already received their second chance. If by any chance someone got lost in all this, then this is a good opportunity to show that they want a second chance, so good luck to everyone who got banned.

I know it's OT, but what about all these members who persistently use AI for their posts and at best their posts get deleted but they don't get any sanctions? Can the forum finally equate such posts with plagiarism and send a clear message that this is not something that will be tolerated on the forum?

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Quote from: LoyceV on December 12, 2023, 05:32:29 AM

I don't have high hopes for most banned users. Still, some may improve and become contributing users again.

Let's see what they will do once they get unbanned. I think that most of the banned users who get unbanned will improve themselves and they will refrain from plagiarism. I'm pretty sure that some weak hand members may still use plagiarized content or maybe AI generated content but most of them will improve themselves. I think that most of the members have already got their lesson and they won't repeat the mistakes that they have done in past.

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on December 12, 2023, 06:06:11 AM

I'm very glad Cyrus included a signature ban as a requirement for getting a second chance. That ought to weed out quite a few members who just came here to get paid and not only didn't read the rules but broke one or more of them. Should be interesting.

Yeah, that signature ban is more than enough to show them that even after getting unbanned their act wasn't forgotten and if they repeat that they will not only lose their second chance but they will never get any chances ever. Showing empathy towards those banned members is a good step but it's a good strategy to impose ban on signature campaign for sometime as that will always remind them that they were doing wrong by breaking the rules of the forum.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on December 12, 2023, 05:01:29 AM

There are at least 8 active mixer campaigns to be taken away. So that was a good about of coin given away that no longer will be here.

Yeah man, I haven't been paying attention to what other kinds of sig campaigns are going on, and I've got sigs and avatars on ignore so I don't see who's advertising what. I'd imagine that when the new year rolls around there's going to be a mad scramble of members trying to get into campaigns. That might be a good thing, as it would allow campaign managers to choose the cream of the crop instead of having to settle for mediocre posters (or worse) just to fill up the rosters.

In any case, I'm very glad Cyrus included a signature ban as a requirement for getting a second chance. That ought to weed out quite a few members who just came here to get paid and not only didn't read the rules but broke one or more of them. Should be interesting.

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Quote from: Cyrus on December 11, 2023, 09:13:51 PM

We will post all of the unbanned users in this thread. Hopefully in the future we'll look back on this as proof of the value of forgiveness and second chances. (Otherwise, maybe we'll look back on this as a reason not to do it again in the future.)

Let's have a poll once the list is complete:

Who gets banned again first?
How many of the pardoned users get banned again in 2024?
Who doesn't get banned again in 2024?

I don't have high hopes for most banned users. Still, some may improve and become contributing users again.

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Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on December 12, 2023, 05:04:20 AM

I think that a ban on wearing a signature will cool down scammers, and those people who were banned for an accidental or innocent mistake will return here. There were many of them in 2019. If they are still devoted to the forum and have not created an alternative account, then surely their posts will be able to warm the heart of the admin and get a second chance.

That's true, I forgot about the Great Plagiarist Extinction of 2019. There are a handful of helpful users who got caught up in that, their forum careers extinguished by a bot. They may have only plagiarized once or twice, and hey everybody makes mistakes and has moments of weakness. But I emphasize this was only a handful of the hundreds of accounts that were banned by the Plagiabot.

Quote from: nutildah on May 23, 2019, 12:06:28 AM

How do you feel about the idea of statutes of limitations on plagiarism cases? I think punishing somebody for a one-off offense done years ago (talking like 3 or more years ago) is a bit too stringent and the current plagiabot running around is a bit out of hand, leading to the banning of people for a mistake committed in 2014. Maybe the query or the rule should be tightened a bit. Just my opinion.

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Quote from: nutildah on December 12, 2023, 01:55:23 AM

I know this gesture is made out of goodwill, and you're a better man than I for offering such reconciliation, but there's a bunch of people I hope don't read this Cheesy

I'm referring to all the scheming, conniving, alt-accounting, merit-groveling weasels that are anything but honest and only here to extract as much wealth from as many different sig campaigns and bounties as they can get themselves into.

I'm guessing most of those who take this offer won't last a year before they find themselves banned again -- they are cheaters at heart and can't help themselves.

Yeah so its potentially dumb of me to bump this, but not really, because I'm sure it would have been bumped anyway.

Seasons Greetings everyone! 🎄

I think that a ban on wearing a signature will cool down scammers, and those people who were banned for an accidental or innocent mistake will return here. There were many of them in 2019. If they are still devoted to the forum and have not created an alternative account, then surely their posts will be able to warm the heart of the admin and get a second chance.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on December 12, 2023, 04:41:23 AM

Quote from: Cyrus on December 11, 2023, 09:13:51 PM

A ban on wearing a signature will be added, equal to at least 2 years minus however long you were banned.

Enjoy the Holidays and Happy 2024 everyone!

Ah hah hah hah hahahaha.....Merry Effin' holidays to all of the banned members who want to come back to the forum so badly that they'd be active whilst not renting out their signature space. I suppose if someone has been banned for over 2 years, they'll go for it but I'm not sure about others.

This is quite generous, Cyrus. Let us hope said generosity doesn't backfire and spray shit all over this fine forum.

Quote from: Jessie2121 on December 12, 2023, 04:06:55 AM

Hope this second chance won't cause much damage on the forum. Good idea OP but I feel some don't deserve it at all because out of a 100 persons that are victims we only have 2-5 persons who can boldly say they have changed for good.

Yeah, you got that right. I've seen a lot of ban appeal threads, and frankly I wouldn't give 99% of them a second chance, as those threads consist of:

1. Lies
2. Excuses
3. Begging
4. Rationalizing
5. Blaming others
6. Raging against the mods
7. Assholes who have zillions of accounts that are already banned.

I wonder if they will bother to come back now that mixer sigs are to be banned.

19 days left.

There are at least 8 active mixer campaigns to be taken away. So that was a good about of coin given away that no longer will be here.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on December 12, 2023, 04:41:23 AM

Merry Effin' holidays to all of the banned members who want to come back to the forum so badly that they'd be active whilst not renting out their signature space.

I can agree if @Cyrus only give second chances for them to able post in this forum, but both of the avatar and signature are permanently banned. With a new rule, alt accounts from the permanently banned avatar and signature will be considered as ban evasion, also forbidden to post in bounty, service, games & rounds section.

Let see how long they would be active and their contribution in this forum. Cheesy

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Quote from: Cyrus on December 11, 2023, 09:13:51 PM

A ban on wearing a signature will be added, equal to at least 2 years minus however long you were banned.

Enjoy the Holidays and Happy 2024 everyone!

Ah hah hah hah hahahaha.....Merry Effin' holidays to all of the banned members who want to come back to the forum so badly that they'd be active whilst not renting out their signature space. I suppose if someone has been banned for over 2 years, they'll go for it but I'm not sure about others.

This is quite generous, Cyrus. Let us hope said generosity doesn't backfire and spray shit all over this fine forum.

Quote from: Jessie2121 on December 12, 2023, 04:06:55 AM

Hope this second chance won't cause much damage on the forum. Good idea OP but I feel some don't deserve it at all because out of a 100 persons that are victims we only have 2-5 persons who can boldly say they have changed for good.

Yeah, you got that right. I've seen a lot of ban appeal threads, and frankly I wouldn't give 99% of them a second chance, as those threads consist of:

1. Lies
2. Excuses
3. Begging
4. Rationalizing
5. Blaming others
6. Raging against the mods
7. Assholes who have zillions of accounts that are already banned.

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Quote from: Cyrus on December 11, 2023, 09:13:51 PM

It's that time of the year again... and it's at least as good a time as any to reflect on both the good, and the bad; to think about how we can do better in the future; and also to... forgive. Regarding that last one, we've decided that for a limited time, we will be considering unbanning users previously banned for plagiarism.

I think this post is going to help a lot of users who were banned because they were either arrogant or were not sure what they were doing. I believe that everyone deserves a second chance and here they're lucky to get that second chance. There were some users who were banned for plagiarism but a few of them were guilty for their mistake and they were begging to get unbanned to they may get another chance to use the forum.

I know that it's not an easy task to unban the users who broke the rules of the forum but I'm pretty happy to see that our administrative stuff shows empathy towards those members and I believe that such chance will help them to fix their mistakes and they will never do any kind of plagiarized posts anymore.

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Hope this second chance won't cause much damage on the forum. Good idea OP but I feel some don't deserve it at all because out of a 100 persons that are victims we only have 2-5 persons who can boldly say they have changed for good. Well let's see if it will help bring out the good behavior in them since we're in the festive season anything can happen for sure.

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This act reminds me of the pardon granted by the government of my country to prisoners who do not have any hopes of their cases being heard or who have been sentenced for life to gain freedom. I just hope this pardon doesn't get misused though because where you've got the good, there's gonna be the bad but since this is a limited offer, I guess those who have had their accounts banned take this opportunity.

Happy holidays, fam.

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Quote from: tranthidung on December 11, 2023, 09:30:40 PM

Because they don't deserve with a second chance so their appeals were refused.

Or maybe because it was extremely hard to get ban removed due plagiarism back in those days, even for the simplest case of one plagiarized sentence.

Quote from: nutildah on December 12, 2023, 01:55:23 AM

I'm referring to all the scheming, conniving, alt-accounting, merit-groveling weasels that are anything but honest and only here to extract as much wealth from as many different sig campaigns and bounties as they can get themselves into.

I think that many of those won't even get ban lifted due simple reason that they won't be able to submit one very good constructive post.

I like the intiative and I think it should have been practiced years ago. But, better late than never.

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I know this gesture is made out of goodwill, and you're a better man than I for offering such reconciliation, but there's a bunch of people I hope don't read this Cheesy

I'm referring to all the scheming, conniving, alt-accounting, merit-groveling weasels that are anything but honest and only here to extract as much wealth from as many different sig campaigns and bounties as they can get themselves into.

I'm guessing most of those who take this offer won't last a year before they find themselves banned again -- they are cheaters at heart and can't help themselves.

Yeah so its potentially dumb of me to bump this, but not really, because I'm sure it would have been bumped anyway.

Seasons Greetings everyone! 🎄

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Quote from: Hatchy on December 11, 2023, 09:30:33 PM

but my question is this: "If the initial punishment for being banned was to never create a new account and to leave the forum completely, and if creating a new account is considered ban evasion, how do you plan to communicate this message to banned accounts falling into these categories?" I'm aware that some banned users try to appeal by creating new accounts, although not all of these accounts are unbanned.

Creating an alt account or say new account isn’t considered ban evasion except you begin to use that created account as a regular member and you get caught. Alt accounts created after ban is just to make ban appeal and continually bump the thread outside that is ban evasion, so basically those with that alts can still read this message if they are still coming online and I think this leniency is actually meant for them not for those have left here permanently

Or who knows if this is even communicated to them via the email that sent them their ban message, as that’s the other media for communication between the user and the admin of the forum. But overall there is no need to worry about those that have left totally. This is for persistent people trying to get back there account and I think they might see the message but hopefully before this festive grace elapses

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Quote from: Hatchy on December 11, 2023, 09:30:33 PM

It looks like a good idea, I don't know if should be asking this, @Cyrus since I'm still a low ranked member,

but my question is this: "If the initial punishment for being banned was to never create a new account and to leave the forum completely, and if creating a new account is considered ban evasion, how do you plan to communicate this message to banned accounts falling into these categories?" I'm aware that some banned users try to appeal by creating new accounts, although not all of these accounts are unbanned.

What I'm wondering is if this means that banned users are still using the forum with new accounts because that seems to be the only way they can receive this message and request to have their old account unbanned.

You can still read the forum without an account. Not an issue.

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