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Quote from: Igebotz on December 12, 2023, 07:25:39 PM

Because not every banned user filed an appeal to be unbanned, this is a fantastic opportunity for those who departed with a clear conscience and those who were wrongfully banned for a single offence.

If they didn't care enough (or didn't know how) to file an appeal, how would this thread help? Are the admins going to e-mail every banned user? Or is this targeted only towards ban-evading users who are assumed to be following meta dramas closely enough to notice this thread?

Whatever the idea behind this thread is, I don't get why that effort shouldn't be applied to handling the actual ban appeals the way these appeals were intended to work.

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I'm all for giving banned accounts another shot. Some folks probably get kicked off just cause they didn't fully get the rules of the place and that doesn't make what they did okay, but Ive always thought outright banning someone for copying and pasting without citing sources once seems kinda harsh. Maybe a warning or temporary ban would work better?

I also think giving people a second chance should come with a probation thing. And we should look at everything they added to the forums, not just a post or two that stood out.

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Quote from: Majestic-milf on December 12, 2023, 02:40:16 AM

This act reminds me of the pardon granted by the government of my country to prisoners who do not have any hopes of their cases being heard or who have been sentenced for life to gain freedom. I just hope this pardon doesn't get misused though because where you've got the good, there's gonna be the bad but since this is a limited offer, I guess those who have had their accounts banned take this opportunity.

Happy holidays, fam.

Most probably, this is like the most awaited pardon from the prisoners, as they have finally learned their lessons within that years that they are being convicted. Now that second chances is offered, hopefully this will encourage every member in the forum not to go on plagiarism for more effective and impressive posting, having own originality when it comes to sharing and posting of ideas is still the best and safest option. Committing to plagiarism is a big dishonesty, and we all know the forum is totally against it.

Just like you've said, hopefully this will not be misused and abused. We don't know if there's still another second chances will come in the future, or your account might be banned for the rest of your existence.

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Quote from: Sexylizzy2813 on December 13, 2023, 03:45:12 AM

A ban is a ban brother, the offense that comes with it that's what makes it look more complicated. This is a season of love doesn't mean those who deserve the ban should just pop out of nowhere to plead and expect a free pass. This isn't just a free chance to be given to users with ban account, to me I feel an investigation or interrogation need to be applied.

They have already been adjudicated (banned), there is nothing else to investigate, and the forum is ready to clear everyone's shady past. As I stated in my previous reply here, there were several high rank good posters who were banned for some of their newbie days mistakes; these are the ones the forum is willing to call back.

There is this good user who got banned few months ago from our FPL fantasy pool; a perfect example of those I want to see return.

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Quote from: Igebotz on December 13, 2023, 12:56:33 AM

Quote from: Sexylizzy2813 on December 12, 2023, 09:42:36 PM

Always will be a welcome development but those accounts that was banned are they ready to change from doing what they did before their account was banned?
This is going to be challenging and come to think of it, what if you give some a second chance and they intend on try some of those things they did before their account was banned? I'm just saying because is one thing to say "I won't do these things again" and is another to keep to it. I believe is not only about plagiarism that got some account to be banned other things are also the cause but I hope no one regret this decision.

The second chance is only for individuals who were banned for plagiarism and not for ban evasion cheaters, and anyone who plagiarised again would be banned again. This is simple.

Santa season of Mercy!

A ban is a ban brother, the offense that comes with it that's what makes it look more complicated. This is a season of love doesn't mean those who deserve the ban should just pop out of nowhere to plead and expect a free pass. This isn't just a free chance to be given to users with ban account, to me I feel an investigation or interrogation need to be applied.

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Quote from: Igebotz on December 13, 2023, 12:56:33 AM

The second chance is only for individuals who were banned for plagiarism and not for ban evasion cheaters, and anyone who plagiarised again would be banned again. This is simple.

I hope you are correct; that's the way it sounded in the OP but was a bit hard to tell for sure. Because once an account is un-banned for ban evasion, what's to stop them from getting re-banned in the future when another connection is made to their old (still banned) account?

Case in point:

Quote from: NoorulHuda2 on December 12, 2023, 08:09:55 AM

Username: NoorulHuda
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Ban appeal thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ban-appeal-for-noorulhuda-5395857

This user claims they were banned for plagiarism but they were clearly banned for ban evasion:

Quote from: YOSHIE on February 24, 2022, 02:19:25 PM

Reporting Ban evasion: 1

1. gmjutt6 (Archived)
2. NoorulHuda
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Quote from: Sexylizzy2813 on December 12, 2023, 09:42:36 PM

Always will be a welcome development but those accounts that was banned are they ready to change from doing what they did before their account was banned?
This is going to be challenging and come to think of it, what if you give some a second chance and they intend on try some of those things they did before their account was banned? I'm just saying because is one thing to say "I won't do these things again" and is another to keep to it. I believe is not only about plagiarism that got some account to be banned other things are also the cause but I hope no one regret this decision.

The second chance is only for individuals who were banned for plagiarism and not for ban evasion cheaters, and anyone who plagiarised again would be banned again. This is simple.

Santa season of Mercy!

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Always will be a welcome development but those accounts that was banned are they ready to change from doing what they did before their account was banned?
This is going to be challenging and come to think of it, what if you give some a second chance and they intend on try some of those things they did before their account was banned? I'm just saying because is one thing to say "I won't do these things again" and is another to keep to it. I believe is not only about plagiarism that got some account to be banned other things are also the cause but I hope no one regret this decision.

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Quote from: suchmoon on December 12, 2023, 01:04:15 PM

Ban appeal process already exists. Most of ban appeal threads however don't even get an acknowledgment from the admins, like "hey, we reviewed your case, you will not be unbanned because x, y, and z, have a good day", or "here's a 2 year sig ban, don't make us regret it".

This seems like one of those useless things that some (or most) governments do when they have a dysfunctional bureaucratic process for some trivial thing, and instead of fixing it they slap another layer of arbitrary randomness on top of it. Someone who tried to do it the right way gets fuck all, but someone who happens to take advantage of the new loophole may get lucky.

Because not every banned user filed an appeal to be unbanned, this is a fantastic opportunity for those who departed with a clear conscience and those who were wrongfully banned for a single offence.

It's not a good sign when there are more banned accounts than active users.

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Quote from: LoyceV on December 12, 2023, 10:37:42 AM

If it doesn't get punished by bans, people will stop reporting it and this entire forum will be lost. There's no limit to the amount of spam a bot can create.

Well, I agree with you on that such type of text is not going to be acceptable on this forum because if the users continue posting AI generated text then there won't be many users who would put effort themselves to create posts which will ultimately end up the new information that comes from humans not from bots who mimic other humans by getting trained on their text.

I'm not in favor of AI text and I must say that there should be strict actions against it but I believe the time isn't far when it would be difficult for us humans to know that which text is generated by AI and which one is created by humans. The AI technologies aren't at their peaks especially those LLM models but surely the research is going on them at very fast rates and we may see so many new such bots implementing on social media platforms.

We should definitely have some new rules on the forum to tackle such bots as of now because in current times it's still possible to detect AI generated content but I fear that in future we may not be able to detect the text that those bots generate. I believe that good guys will still somehow find a way to protect us from the AI text generators of the future.

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I don't understand why there's so much criticism. If the administration is offering a second chance to anyone, what's wrong with that? Regardless of the ban reason, I believe giving a second chance won't harm the forum. Additionally, remember that the same admins can reapply a ban with just another click of a button.

Moreover, Cyrus has explicitly mentioned that this is not a blanket amnesty scheme.

Quote from: Cyrus on December 11, 2023, 09:13:51 PM

It's that time of the year again... and it's at least as good a time as any to reflect on both the good, and the bad; to think about how we can do better in the future; and also to... forgive. Regarding that last one, we've decided that for a limited time, we will be considering unbanning users previously banned for plagiarism.

This is not a blanket amnesty. We take plagiarism very seriously. Not just any banned account will be unbanned, not all sanctions will be lifted, and we'll be watching the unbanned users like hawks.

Anyway I really appreciate and express my gratitude for giving users a second chance. It’s heartening to see the forum administration embracing the spirit of forgiveness and providing an opportunity for redemption.

To those who may criticize this decision, I’d like to pose a question: What harm is there? If users are willing to abide by the rules and requirements and contribute constructively, it could be a positive step toward fostering a more inclusive and understanding community.

Wishing everyone a joyful holiday season and a Happy 2024!

Good luck to the applicants.

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While I acknowledge OP's generosity in tempering justice with mercy and granting banned users another opportunity to prove their worth of getting back here, I'm also interested in seeing how the issue of accounts that got banned for evasion because they were connected/linked to accounts that got banned for plagiarism will be resolved.

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Ban appeal process already exists. Most of ban appeal threads however don't even get an acknowledgment from the admins, like "hey, we reviewed your case, you will not be unbanned because x, y, and z, have a good day", or "here's a 2 year sig ban, don't make us regret it".

This seems like one of those useless things that some (or most) governments do when they have a dysfunctional bureaucratic process for some trivial thing, and instead of fixing it they slap another layer of arbitrary randomness on top of it. Someone who tried to do it the right way gets fuck all, but someone who happens to take advantage of the new loophole may get lucky.

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Quote from: NoorulHuda2 on December 12, 2023, 08:09:55 AM

Username: NoorulHuda
Constructive post: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.59908487 (urdu)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.59819871 (English)

This was really the best you could find?? Good luck with that lol.

Quote from: FatFork on December 12, 2023, 12:32:36 PM

There was this one guy on our local board who appealed his ban, and if I remember right, he waited years before finally getting it overturned. but as far as I know, he never came back to participate much after that anyway.

Yep, after waiting for a few years and thanks to the effort of the whole local board he was finally unbanned, but it was too little too late as after so much waiting he completely lost the will to participate while before ban he was (from what I heard from the others as it was before my time) one of the most prominent members of our local board. And honestly can't blame him, as he was banned for one copied sentence that he did when he was a Jr Member (I think), just to see few years later high ranking members plagiarizing without any consequences.

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I can't say I really have an opinion on this. I haven't come across someone who was banned for plagiarism but who I thought would actually contribute something worthwhile to the forum. There was this one guy on our local board who appealed his ban, and if I remember right, he waited years before finally getting it overturned. but as far as I know, he never came back to participate much after that anyway. So I kinda wonder how many previously-banned yet potentially valuable members this whole effort will actually bring back into the fold. I guess we can hope for the best.

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Quote from: Cyrus on December 11, 2023, 09:13:51 PM

A ban on wearing a signature will be added, equal to at least 2 years minus however long you were banned.

Nice catch, but I hope you understand that you are going to have to work more replying to all the people who appeal Wink

This is not a bad idea, but I wonder if new unban second chance is going to be applied only for plagiarism cases or for anything else,
let's say if someone was talking about ''things'' that are not allowed in forum anymore, or for posting a link?

Quote from: nutildah on December 12, 2023, 01:55:23 AM

I'm guessing most of those who take this offer won't last a year before they find themselves banned again -- they are cheaters at heart and can't help themselves.

I think you are right about this, but there are probably few exceptions from this rule.
Most genuine users banned by mistake are probably gone forever, but I could be wrong.

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I think the decision to give accounts that have been banned for plagiarism a second chance is a good one - but I'm sure it will also have its consequences. Some users who truly feel guilty about unintentional plagiarism deserve forgiveness and a second chance - but I'm not entirely sure that plagiarists who did it intentionally will also be forgiven.

This announcement will be welcomed by users who feel guilty and hope for a second chance – but of course the admin will handle it on a case by case basis. The big consequences may be - admins have to work hard to filter what is forgivable and what is not.

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This is a welcome development to the forum. I have had many people complain of there account being ban. And i ask, is there no other way of punishing those fellow who comited the offense of plagiarism? because I know there is always a second and third chance or even more, depending on people grace. And they told me it's not like that on this forum. So I started becoming more careful as a beginner never to piaglarize. Though the law seems to be rigid or had hartend, but I think it's the only way to reduce shitppost and piaglarism and adding more value to the forum. otherwise the forum would have been literd by junks. A lawless place don't have control and people behaves anyhow. But with this second chance given I think more people will be more serious and careful not to make mistakes. Thanks to you @cyrus for the development. I know many will be relived. It's just like bringing a dead man back to life Grin

. Congratulations to ban members!! your prayers has been answered. Happy Xmas.

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Quote from: Cyrus on December 11, 2023, 09:13:51 PM

It's that time of the year again... and it's at least as good a time as any to reflect on both the good, and the bad; to think about how we can do better in the future; and also to... forgive. Regarding that last one, we've decided that for a limited time, we will be considering unbanning users previously banned for plagiarism.

Shouldn't this apply to other banned users too, and not just plagiarism?

For example offordscott was banned because his account was allegedly hacked and used to post malware. His account was for purposely selling mining gear, and he had started gaining trust from the community, so I see no reason why he would start using it for posting useless malware.

I believe him. He must have been a victim of a hack. He made an appeal, but up to he hasn't even received any feedback from the mods. Why do we let such good users go?

Quote from: offordscottbanappeal on November 24, 2023, 08:09:37 AM

I am still looking for help with this. The ban really hurts. If there is an admin who is willing to spend the time to dig into this for me, I will be extremely grateful indeed.

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Great candidate for holiday forgiveness, WO merit-whoring spammer. Unban this user and grant them 500 merits because holidays.

Quote from: NoorulHuda2 on December 12, 2023, 08:09:55 AM

Username: NoorulHuda
Constructive post: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.59908487 (urdu)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.59819871 (English)

More Info:Banned since: May 04, 2022 - 587 days- (1 year 7 months 9 days)
Ban appeal thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ban-appeal-for-noorulhuda-5395857

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