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Quote from: Xal0lex on December 15, 2023, 08:05:37 AM

The fact is that the absolute majority of users (with a few exceptions) engage in plagiarism at the very beginning of their journey on the forum, having a rank with which they are not accepted into signature campaigns.

Are you sure about this? It certainly wasn't my experience for the first 4 years I was on the forum. Sure, most people registered after 2017, and to join a campaign of some sort, but a good chunk of them probably never even wrote posts outside of bounty applications/reports.

Quote from: Xal0lex on December 15, 2023, 08:05:37 AM

Therefore, it is wrong to talk about financial interest. Secondly, very few people who come to the forum, hurry to familiarize themselves with the rules of the forum, so they make mistakes because of the banal ignorance of the rules of the forum. And people tend to change, and there are examples of this on the forum.

They change because its in their financial interest to change. I'm sure its quite annoying to have an account banned for plagiarism and then have to start all over again, which I'm guessing most of them do, but that's how the lesson of not to plagiarize becomes ingrained... not because they are committed to becoming a better person.

As we're seeing now with ChatGPT, the same people who would have plagiarized before are now using AI to do their work for them, which is just a more sophisticated form of plagiarism.

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Quote from: criptoevangelista on December 15, 2023, 07:23:30 AM

I don't know if this kind of thing would be worth it, people don't change. If you used plagiarism, it is because you only have a financial interest due to campaign post goals.

The fact is that the absolute majority of users (with a few exceptions) engage in plagiarism at the very beginning of their journey on the forum, having a rank with which they are not accepted into signature campaigns. Therefore, it is wrong to talk about financial interest. Secondly, very few people who come to the forum, hurry to familiarize themselves with the rules of the forum, so they make mistakes because of the banal ignorance of the rules of the forum. And people tend to change, and there are examples of this on the forum.

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Not necessarily. There forum is full of people from all sorts of backgrounds and all have their own reasons for posting here. Some are copying text from external sources and pasting it without claiming to be the author and it is about news and current affairs. Without a shadow of doubt there are highly contentious and controversial members that are posting copied text for nefarious purposes but personally I would not tarnish all of them with the same brush.

Quote from: criptoevangelista on December 15, 2023, 07:23:30 AM

I don't know if this kind of thing would be worth it, people don't change. If you used plagiarism, it is because you only have a financial interest due to campaign post goals.

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I don't know if this kind of thing would be worth it, people don't change. If you used plagiarism, it is because you only have a financial interest due to campaign post goals.

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I understand, however those that have been banned and have come to terms with it may have created at least one other account. In the event they are the average member they may have come across the second chance thread and then can contemplate their next move.

If it happens to be an account-farmer, they probably would have flooded the thread with as many banned accounts as possible in the hope at least one would be saved and with that (even with the conditions of being unbanned) the hope of joining a signature campaign in the future. The fact it did not happen seems strange.

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I am surprised the thread has not been flooded with applications.

I am not the least bit surprised, because those who have been banned for a long time have already come to terms with it and will certainly not even know about this opportunity. In addition, there are certain conditions under which these accounts could be returned to their owners, and the signature ban makes them quite worthless for most of them.

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Quote from: Igebotz on December 15, 2023, 02:11:12 AM

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Quote from: Igebotz on December 14, 2023, 02:59:46 AM

The admin will not waste his time on random newbie accounts; the opportunity is reserved for those who have contributed in some way in the past.

That's true but what I'm driving at is, those who their account was banned some years back might have opened another account and forget about the old one, do you still think they can still recall their password or username to even enroll on this second opportunity to revive their banned account?

Those are ban evaders, forum cheats, and rule violators; the instant they created a new identity to remain on the forum, they became lawbreakers, and the second chance is not for them.

I doubt any of them give a fuck about this because they are paroding with a new identity and possibly doing much better than before.

I think those set of people you mentioned are the sickness of the Forum like a virus making the Forum look bad and if they ain't taken care of, this place would have been a mess. Seriously those set of people don't need a second chance, they only need to stay off the Forum.
Of course they would definitely give a fuck, is like letting the prisoner out from them cells. If you can fish them out, I mean the bad ones I think they won't have the second chance to come do crazy things. If they're given that opportunity to come back with the old account I think they might start up something different in a negative way.

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Quote from: digaran on December 15, 2023, 01:44:48 AM

Honestly the staff team needs to come up with strong and fair rules about trust system to get a sticky thread on rep board, and there will be no need to moderate or enforce it, there are some good DT members out there that can remind any abusers about their wrong doings.

You know very well that the trust system on the forum is not the competence of moderators. That is, the trust system is not moderated. DT members themselves must ensure that the trust system is used correctly. There is a topic where the basic provisions for using the trust system are described. Therefore, using the trust system for entries regarding forum rules, particularly plagiarism is wrong.

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Quote from: Sexylizzy2813 on December 15, 2023, 01:20:26 AM

Quote from: Igebotz on December 14, 2023, 02:59:46 AM

The admin will not waste his time on random newbie accounts; the opportunity is reserved for those who have contributed in some way in the past.

That's true but what I'm driving at is, those who their account was banned some years back might have opened another account and forget about the old one, do you still think they can still recall their password or username to even enroll on this second opportunity to revive their banned account?

Those are ban evaders, forum cheats, and rule violators; the instant they created a new identity to remain on the forum, they became lawbreakers, and the second chance is not for them.

I doubt any of them give a fuck about this because they are paroding with a new identity and possibly doing much better than before.

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Quote from: Xal0lex on December 15, 2023, 12:49:59 AM

While this doesn't apply to DT I have still come across users who have left a neutral note in trust to the plagiarizers. I don't think anyone is going to create a topic in Reputation about this.

Well, your second boss aka OP is like the new year eve's snow, he appears once a year and goes to hibernation after that, 😂 so you are gonna have to wait for the first boss to comment on that.

But if someone is getting a second chance to be unbanned, having a neg for plagiarizing will serve no purpose.
Honestly the staff team needs to come up with strong and fair rules about trust system to get a sticky thread on rep board, and there will be no need to moderate or enforce it, there are some good DT members out there that can remind any abusers about their wrong doings.

I have come to the conclusion that moderating a community is one of the most difficult jobs in the world, no wonder why government officials are insane, imagine moderating a country, you'd go crazy too. Lol.

Long live Cyrus the virus. Ok I know I'm crossing the line, I apologize for that.😘

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Quote from: Igebotz on December 14, 2023, 02:59:46 AM

Quote from: Sexylizzy2813 on December 13, 2023, 07:20:42 PM

Some who got their account banned when they were still on the newbie rank, do you think they can still remember that they have an account that was banned?🤔

The admin will not waste his time on random newbie accounts; the opportunity is reserved for those who have contributed in some way in the past.

That's true but what I'm driving at is, those who their account was banned some years back might have opened another account and forget about the old one, do you still think they can still recall their password or username to even enroll on this second opportunity to revive their banned account?
And I'm not say the admin should start letting any newbie he come across to have a free passage, I get it. If some of those accounts have contributed in one way or the other in the past, why not give them that chance of letting them stay rather then giving them a ban?

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Quote from: Sexylizzy2813 on December 13, 2023, 07:20:42 PM

Some who got their account banned when they were still on the newbie rank, do you think they can still remember that they have an account that was banned?🤔

I'll translate because you misunderstood the part of the text that Igebotz meant. You were not there at a time when a lot of accounts were banned and the plagiarism check was carried out by a machine; I doubt that by a person. At that time, texts containing several phrases were raised, which may have coincided with other phrases previously posted on the forum or somewhere on the network. Accounts of different ranks were checked, but these mistakes were made by them during the period when they did not have high ranks. And these people can return to the forum today if they still want to be here.

I later got what Mr Igebotz said and I wasn't there as of then, true but I feel some of these users that got banned are still active some how with a new identity.
Well I hope when such opportunity is given, those mistakes won't occur again.

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What kind of interrogation are we talking about if the administrator has already made his decision? Roll Eyes

Some questions need to be asked don't you think?
Like, Why some members got banned, and you won't say is because of plagiarism alone.
And I know you have ideas of some of these reasons but I don't think approving some request from users who was banned without getting enough reason why they was banned should be tolerated, like making it look more serious.

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Quote from: digaran on December 14, 2023, 11:30:48 PM

Quote from: Alpha Marine on December 14, 2023, 11:01:00 PM

Usually, people who are banned for one thing or another, but in this case, plagiarism always gets red-tagged and it's usually not just one, especially for a user who does it often, so after two years they still won't be able to join any signature campaign because most campaign managers don't add people with red trust to their campaigns. Am I wrong?

Who gives red tag for plagiarism? that offense is related to forum moderation policies alone, nobody on DT has the rights to tag people for that, if you see any, you should report it on reputation board. we can't have everyone on DT to make up their own rules on every thing, so I doubt we see such cases.

While this doesn't apply to DT I have still come across users who have left a neutral note in trust to the plagiarizers. I don't think anyone is going to create a topic in Reputation about this.

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Quote from: digaran on December 14, 2023, 11:30:48 PM

Who gives red tag for plagiarism? that offense is related to forum moderation policies alone, nobody on DT has the rights to tag people for that, if you see any, you should report it on reputation board. we can't have everyone on DT to make up their own rules on every thing, so I doubt we see such cases.

Oh! My bad, I didn't know this. I felt they had a right to give reg tags to people who plagiarize. So when you see a plagiarized post all you can do is report the person.
Thanks mate.

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Quote from: Alpha Marine on December 14, 2023, 11:01:00 PM

Usually, people who are banned for one thing or another, but in this case, plagiarism always gets red-tagged and it's usually not just one, especially for a user who does it often, so after two years they still won't be able to join any signature campaign because most campaign managers don't add people with red trust to their campaigns. Am I wrong?

Who gives red tag for plagiarism? that offense is related to forum moderation policies alone, nobody on DT has the rights to tag people for that, if you see any, you should report it on reputation board. we can't have everyone on DT to make up their own rules on every thing, so I doubt we see such cases.

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Quote from: Cyrus on December 11, 2023, 08:13:51 PM

It's that

A ban on wearing a signature will be added, equal to at least 2 years minus however long you were banned.

Reading from the beginning knowing how this forum frowns on plagiarism, I knew there would be a condition that would be like keeping those accounts on probation or something till I saw this.

Usually, people who are banned for one thing or another, but in this case, plagiarism always gets red-tagged and it's usually not just one, especially for a user who does it often, so after two years they still won't be able to join any signature campaign because most campaign managers don't add people with red trust to their campaigns. Am I wrong?

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Quote from: JollyGood on December 14, 2023, 06:57:22 AM

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I am surprised the thread has not been flooded with applications.

I am not the least bit surprised, because those who have been banned for a long time have already come to terms with it and will certainly not even know about this opportunity. In addition, there are certain conditions under which these accounts could be returned to their owners, and the signature ban makes them quite worthless for most of them.

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I agree, if members are given a second chance there should at least be some kind sort of sanction attached to the reprieve. Even if it is the season to be Jolly it should not mean every member that has been banned will be be reprieved. The OP covers that sanction part:

You must have been banned already for an extended period of time, at least 6 months.
You must point to at least 1 really good, constructive post you've made.
A ban on wearing a signature will be added, equal to at least 2 years minus however long you were banned.

I am surprised the thread has not been flooded with applications.

Quote from: decodx on December 13, 2023, 02:04:43 PM

I'm all for giving banned accounts another shot. Some folks probably get kicked off just cause they didn't fully get the rules of the place and that doesn't make what they did okay, but Ive always thought outright banning someone for copying and pasting without citing sources once seems kinda harsh. Maybe a warning or temporary ban would work better?

I also think giving people a second chance should come with a probation thing. And we should look at everything they added to the forums, not just a post or two that stood out.

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Quote from: Sexylizzy2813 on December 13, 2023, 07:20:42 PM

Some who got their account banned when they were still on the newbie rank, do you think they can still remember that they have an account that was banned?🤔

I'll translate because you misunderstood the part of the text that Igebotz meant. You were not there at a time when a lot of accounts were banned and the plagiarism check was carried out by a machine; I doubt that by a person. At that time, texts containing several phrases were raised, which may have coincided with other phrases previously posted on the forum or somewhere on the network. Accounts of different ranks were checked, but these mistakes were made by them during the period when they did not have high ranks. And these people can return to the forum today if they still want to be here.

Quote from: Sexylizzy2813 on December 13, 2023, 02:45:12 AM

I feel an investigation or interrogation need to be applied.

What kind of interrogation are we talking about if the administrator has already made his decision? Roll Eyes

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Quote from: Igebotz on December 14, 2023, 02:59:46 AM

Quote from: Sexylizzy2813 on December 13, 2023, 07:20:42 PM

Some who got their account banned when they were still on the newbie rank, do you think they can still remember that they have an account that was banned?🤔

The admin will not waste his time on random newbie accounts; the opportunity is reserved for those who have contributed in some way in the past.

Newbies have chances that are smaller than other ranks.

With newbies, you have to consider how many posts the newbie made before the ban. Because if it is a newbie with only one post, and it is a plagiarized post, it is done, no review needed.

If a newbie with some or like 30 posts or more, there is a chance as this holiday gift giving is point one constructive post and find your second chance. Perhaps among 30 or 60 posts, there is a good one.

Quote from: Cyrus on December 11, 2023, 08:13:51 PM

Here are the requirements:

You must point to at least 1 really good, constructive post you've made.

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Quote from: Sexylizzy2813 on December 13, 2023, 07:20:42 PM

Some who got their account banned when they were still on the newbie rank, do you think they can still remember that they have an account that was banned?🤔

The admin will not waste his time on random newbie accounts; the opportunity is reserved for those who have contributed in some way in the past.

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Quote from: Igebotz on December 13, 2023, 05:15:07 AM

Quote from: Sexylizzy2813 on December 13, 2023, 02:45:12 AM

A ban is a ban brother, the offense that comes with it that's what makes it look more complicated. This is a season of love doesn't mean those who deserve the ban should just pop out of nowhere to plead and expect a free pass. This isn't just a free chance to be given to users with ban account, to me I feel an investigation or interrogation need to be applied.

They have already been adjudicated (banned), there is nothing else to investigate, and the forum is ready to clear everyone's shady past. As I stated in my previous reply here, there were several high rank good posters who were banned for some of their newbie days mistakes; these are the ones the forum is willing to call back.

There is this good user who got banned few months ago from our FPL fantasy pool; a perfect example of those I want to see return.

Not investigate per say but is like they need to look into their offense before allowing them to have that go ahead to apply for their account to be released, because is not everyone who deserves a second chance depending on what you did.
Like you said we do have those who got banned by some little errors they made in the past and I believe these set of people don't have any evil intention of coming back and making a huge mess in the Forum.
Some who got their account banned when they were still on the newbie rank, do you think they can still remember that they have an account that was banned?🤔

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