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Quote from: craked5 on March 02, 2016, 03:07:33 PM

Quote from: arbitrage on March 02, 2016, 11:27:55 AM

Quote from: yugo23 on March 02, 2016, 10:23:29 AM

Again I don't understand. This is already the case. This is already what would happen to someone going willingly to the psych saying he has desires for children. There is nothing new here.

Yes but how many willingly go to the psych?
Others don't want to go, they are afraid or they just don't want because they have skeletor in the closet.
Many of them are hide behind wife and own kids.
Many of them don't have dirty dreams about kids, just will take every chance for free sex even with younger person under 18 years..This is matter of attitude and moral principles! What can you cure here?

And what do you want to do against that?

I mean all you said here was "they're horrible predators". It's not really going to help you know? :-/

Saying over and over "They are regular human beings like you and I". It's not really going to help you know? :-/

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Quote from: arbitrage on March 02, 2016, 11:27:55 AM

Quote from: yugo23 on March 02, 2016, 10:23:29 AM

Again I don't understand. This is already the case. This is already what would happen to someone going willingly to the psych saying he has desires for children. There is nothing new here.

Yes but how many willingly go to the psych?
Others don't want to go, they are afraid or they just don't want because they have skeletor in the closet.
Many of them are hide behind wife and own kids.
Many of them don't have dirty dreams about kids, just will take every chance for free sex even with younger person under 18 years..This is matter of attitude and moral principles! What can you cure here?

And what do you want to do against that?

I mean all you said here was "they're horrible predators". It's not really going to help you know? :-/

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Quote from: yugo23 on March 02, 2016, 10:23:29 AM

Again I don't understand. This is already the case. This is already what would happen to someone going willingly to the psych saying he has desires for children. There is nothing new here.

Yes but how many willingly go to the psych?
Others don't want to go, they are afraid or they just don't want because they have skeletor in the closet.
Many of them are hide behind wife and own kids.
Many of them don't have dirty dreams about kids, just will take every chance for free sex even with younger person under 18 years..This is matter of attitude and moral principles! What can you cure here?

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Quote from: arbitrage on March 02, 2016, 09:46:53 AM

Quote from: cooldgamer on March 02, 2016, 08:58:19 AM

If they don't want to end up acting on their desires, they should be more than willing to accept psych help as long as they don't get punished for seeking help in itself. The point is to offer lots of alternatives so they don't get to the point of committing a crime, not just tossing them in jail for having the potential to do it.

That's what i was talking about.

How to protect yourself from system?
System can make errors this is certain but they cannot mark no one as pedopifle before he commits crime!

Been marked in medical records as "different" person, can be positive thing for community because won't happend in school to employ possible predators.

#Different person : Person psychiatric estimated as ill-suited for work with children !

Again I don't understand. This is already the case. This is already what would happen to someone going willingly to the psych saying he has desires for children. There is nothing new here.

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Quote from: cooldgamer on March 02, 2016, 08:58:19 AM

they should be more than willing to accept psych help as long as they don't get punished for seeking help in itself.

No one gonna punish them for seeking help.
I cannot work on heights because i'm scared of the heights, so they cant work with kids..
I'm not punished because i can't get approval to work on heights...My life is probably saved!

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Quote from: cooldgamer on March 02, 2016, 08:58:19 AM

If they don't want to end up acting on their desires, they should be more than willing to accept psych help as long as they don't get punished for seeking help in itself. The point is to offer lots of alternatives so they don't get to the point of committing a crime, not just tossing them in jail for having the potential to do it.

That's what i was talking about.

How to protect yourself from system?
System can make errors this is certain but they cannot mark no one as pedopifle before he commits crime!

Been marked in medical records as "different" person, can be positive thing for community because won't happend in school to employ possible predators.

#Different person : Person psychiatric estimated as ill-suited for work with children !

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Quote from: yugo23 on March 01, 2016, 06:54:55 AM

Quote from: arbitrage on March 01, 2016, 06:01:00 AM

It is not important are they have disorder or they just evil persons with bad intents.
Something must be done.
First you must not watch them as victims of systems.
Second this is true they must get proper medications and psychiatric help.
If nothing work, chemical castration will help for sure!

That's not the whole point of this debate you know?

The whole thing is that you actually want to send to jail and "help" (with your own notion of help ofc...) people that still commited no crime!

It's a sad thing but yes it's is impossible to sue or put someone in jail because he thought about pedophilia. You don't punish people for crimes they haven't commited that's all.

If they don't want to end up acting on their desires, they should be more than willing to accept psych help as long as they don't get punished for seeking help in itself. The point is to offer lots of alternatives so they don't get to the point of committing a crime, not just tossing them in jail for having the potential to do it.

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Quote from: arbitrage on March 02, 2016, 07:25:56 AM

There are plenty of way how someone can be caught on internet or other places like social networks where he chats with children..

How to recognize someone with problems, ask psychiatrists.

Barbaric countries are those that doing nothing, while children suffering..

If someone is caught doing that they already go to prison! Owning pedophilia contents or flirting with children is already a crime (at least in France, not sure for USA)

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Quote from: valta4065 on March 02, 2016, 05:44:41 AM

Quote from: arbitrage on March 02, 2016, 04:41:41 AM

Now someone will ask, but those people didn't done anything wrong yet?
Yes but they have mental disorder and their illness can harm other people. So if they dont want to spend their best time in mental institutions better cooperate.
If they cooperate and takes some prescription medicine they can enjoy freedom.
If medicines don't help at all they must consider chemical castration.
Those poor souls in mental institutions nobody ask if they want to stay there or not.

Well maybe in your barbaric country...

But in the civilized world it's not possible to send someone in a psychatric institute without any proof!
So it means that we should find proofs of them being pedophiles... And how do you do that?

There are plenty of way how someone can be caught on internet or other places like social networks where he chats with children..

How to recognize someone with problems, ask psychiatrists.

Barbaric countries are those that doing nothing, while children suffering..

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Quote from: valta4065 on March 02, 2016, 05:42:34 AM

Damned man, you seriously mean that?

You want everyone to get "marked" for mental disorder? And on which assumption?
How and who will decide that someone must be marked?

Marked in medical records as persons with menatal problems, nothing special not criminal record nothind drastic. Don't panic.

Dont know what part you didn't understand?
I have told already that those persons must take psihiatric help and this help must be mandatory.
We are talking about potencinal child molesters!

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Quote from: arbitrage on March 02, 2016, 04:41:41 AM

Now someone will ask, but those people didn't done anything wrong yet?
Yes but they have mental disorder and their illness can harm other people. So if they dont want to spend their best time in mental institutions better cooperate.
If they cooperate and takes some prescription medicine they can enjoy freedom.
If medicines don't help at all they must consider chemical castration.
Those poor souls in mental institutions nobody ask if they want to stay there or not.

Well maybe in your barbaric country...

But in the civilized world it's not possible to send someone in a psychatric institute without any proof!
So it means that we should find proofs of them being pedophiles... And how do you do that?

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Quote from: arbitrage on March 02, 2016, 04:09:23 AM

If someone have some problems he must seek help for himself.
Symptoms can be known to person so he must admit himself he has a problem. He must go to doctor and psychiatrist.
If he know he have problems and don't react he must be encouraged to do so.
If he dont realize himself he probably enjoy it and he is dangerous.
Those person must be "marked" somehow as every other person with mental illness especially if they can harm other people.

Damned man, you seriously mean that?

You want everyone to get "marked" for mental disorder? And on which assumption?
How and who will decide that someone must be marked?

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Now someone will ask, but those people didn't done anything wrong yet?
Yes but they have mental disorder and their illness can harm other people. So if they dont want to spend their best time in mental institutions better cooperate.
If they cooperate and takes some prescription medicine they can enjoy freedom.
If medicines don't help at all they must consider chemical castration.
Those poor souls in mental institutions nobody ask if they want to stay there or not.

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If someone have some problems he must seek help for himself.
Symptoms can be known to person so he must admit himself he has a problem. He must go to doctor and psychiatrist.
If he know he have problems and don't react he must be encouraged to do so.
If he dont realize himself he probably enjoy it and he is dangerous.
Those person must be "marked" somehow as every other person with mental illness especially if they can harm other people.

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Quote from: Wilikon on February 29, 2016, 08:33:37 PM

Quote from: mOgliE on February 29, 2016, 06:52:30 AM

Wow, what's said here is still a bit disturbing...

I understand your point saying that they should be treated like any other criminals... But I'm pretty sure they got a mental disorder that allows us to call them predators! ^^

So simple to understand.

It's not what's important in here.
You wanna put them in jail? I'm fine with that.

But two things:
1/ you gotta treat them like normal citizens. You can't just say "they're pedophiles so they're not even humans" that's not how justice works!
2/ You can't just judge someone for a crime he still haven't comited! Having child dolls is creepy as fuck that's for sure, but how is it a crime?

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Quote from: arbitrage on March 01, 2016, 06:01:00 AM

It is not important are they have disorder or they just evil persons with bad intents.
Something must be done.
First you must not watch them as victims of systems.
Second this is true they must get proper medications and psychiatric help.
If nothing work, chemical castration will help for sure!

That's not the whole point of this debate you know?

The whole thing is that you actually want to send to jail and "help" (with your own notion of help ofc...) people that still commited no crime!

It's a sad thing but yes it's is impossible to sue or put someone in jail because he thought about pedophilia. You don't punish people for crimes they haven't commited that's all.

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Is pedophilia a mental disorder, illness or simply a vicious mind of twisted people? Maybe we will never know for sure. In civilized countries is a serious crime and should be treated like that in whole world. Could pedophiles change or stop molesting the children? I don't think so, don't think that there is a cure for that. But despite all that I don't think that they should be judged by people on the street without a trial and with no respect of their human rights. Although I'm hardly saying this because they are not respecting any human right of these poor children either.

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It is not important are they have disorder or they just evil persons with bad intents.
Something must be done.
First you must not watch them as victims of systems.
Second this is true they must get proper medications and psychiatric help.
If nothing work, chemical castration will help for sure!

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Quote from: Wilikon on February 29, 2016, 08:33:37 PM

Quote from: mOgliE on February 29, 2016, 06:52:30 AM

Wow, what's said here is still a bit disturbing...

I understand your point saying that they should be treated like any other criminals... But I'm pretty sure they got a mental disorder that allows us to call them predators! ^^

So simple to understand.

So simple to understand no psychiatrist will do it. Funny how you know it's a mental disorder while those thousands of intellectuals who studied the phenomenon for years don't conclude on this. You must be very intelligent that's for sure!

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Quote from: mOgliE on February 29, 2016, 06:52:30 AM

Wow, what's said here is still a bit disturbing...

I understand your point saying that they should be treated like any other criminals... But I'm pretty sure they got a mental disorder that allows us to call them predators! ^^

So simple to understand.

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