Topic: Should bitcointalk ban promotion of other forums? (Read 1218 times)
We've seen the forum's a open debate community we're allowed to say what we want including talking about other forums so why's it discussed. OP why's it matter?
Before Google, there was dominance of Yahoo. They also never imagined that one day Google will be become bigger than them. So, never underestimate your competitor.
I like this warning, it's such a sensitive one of awareness, but unfortunately doesn't perfectly match with the situation here. Bitcointalk is already established but the altcoin forum is still not so established but just using what happened with the m!xers ban to actualise more relivance. There is nothing bad in it but the forum should be thankful for the liberal nature of Bitcontalk, if a rule is enforced that there is no double standard, I think that would affect a lot of relevance received by the forum lately.That is what I call Power and Bitcointalk has it more than it. Aside from that, I believe that many will teleport to the altcoin forum and many more will not, which still makes Bitcointalk more valid even as those who move to altcoins still have a presence in Bitcointalk. You can't compare it directly with the case of Google and Yahoo because Bitcointalk is well-established already, unlike Yahoo which was sleeping then when a lot still has to be done.
Before Google, there was dominance of Yahoo. They also never imagined that one day Google will be become bigger than them. So, never underestimate your competitor.
This is a bad comparison, in terms of references and content Bitcointalk is unique and way ahead, whenever a forum about Bitcoin and Nakamoto is mentioned Bitcointalk will always come out as the source, and we also have to consider many of the best projects that you see in the market started here.
I don't rule out that Altcoinstalk will be bigger I've seen its improvement, and it's unique on its way, just like Bitcointalk's own uniqueness, they should co-exist and it benefits the whole community.
No forum can compete or even come close to what Bitcointalk has achieved when you talk of forums about Bitcoin and Cryptocurrency
Why do you feel so ? There can be number of factors causing another forum to become more popular than this forum. Like suppose, the current forum owner makes some bad decisions because of which good members here migrate to another forum, this can be one reason. It does not matter if you are the first forum related to crypto. What matters is who is solving the problem of users in a better way.
No forum can compete or even come close to what Bitcointalk has achieved when you talk of forums about Bitcoin and Cryptocurrency, Bitcointalk is what Google and all into Bitcoin are recommending, all forums exist because of their niche, Bitcointalk and all the other forums are popular because of the popularity of Bitcointalk.
Before Google, there was dominance of Yahoo. They also never imagined that one day Google will be become bigger than them. So, never underestimate your competitor.
I have seen that this forum does not consider it inappropriate when some member makes a post or thread about a competing forum. I am a member of other popular forums and they do not allow mention of competing forums as it is free advertising for them.
What is the opinion of members about this? Is it fine allowing members here to promote or mention competing forums without paying this forum owner or taking his permission ?
What is the opinion of members about this? Is it fine allowing members here to promote or mention competing forums without paying this forum owner or taking his permission ?
Oops, this forum is not like other forums and maybe that is why it stands out from the rest of them. The reach cannot be in competition with other forums that are not up to its capacity or standard. If they perceive theirs as competition and not allow their users name other forum, it is okay and it is their rules there. This forum does not even take payment from companies advertising their contents here as far as I know. So I don’t see why they will collect payment for people just by mentioning other forums here. As a member of the forum, the rules here are just perfect and it is what is keeping the forum alive and respected till date.
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This is even worth more kudos and that is why some people are so emboldened with it and still be doing double standards. By the double standard, I do not mean you can't participate in the two forums or more as you like, but the way some will speak of one when they are there and still speak of the other when they are there without the loyalty strictly sticking to one is my plight here.
I don't change the things I say because I'm on one forum or another, and I haven't seen any of the teleported members do so. Perhaps the only specific case in which I have expressed myself differently is that here I have sometimes used the word 'shitcoins' to refer to altcoins, while there I have not done so, which is logical because it is not very appropriate to go to an altcoin forum and insult them. But both here and there I say that I consider myself a bitcoin maximalist who has hardly owned any altcoins and that I consider bitcoin to be much better than other altcoins because it is essentially different.
I think there is probably a worry or question from some members (including the OP) about what is potentially allowed to be discussed because of the recent mixers ban. It is possible it has raised concerns because of the number of members that have teleported to a forum that could continue to grow further in terms of influence as well as traffic.
But it is not so much of a problem now, I think, because after a large number of teleported members in December and January, the speed has slowed down a lot and I don't see that at least for the moment that forum can compete with this one in a major way. In a few years, I don't know, but not today, especially considering that those of us who have a teleported account there still write here.
Besides, I knew that the tension would douse over time. When the issue of teleporting was made known to me, some people even believed that was the end of Bitcointalk, but I smiled because I saw things differently, it will take more than an alternative to pull BTCt down. It's always like that when an issue just happened, but with time, the natural demand and supply will always play out as we see now. If not all of them, those who teleported are still here, also, there is a higher fraction that didn't even bother to waste their time to teleport. You can do the arithmetic.
I have seen that this forum does not consider it inappropriate when some member makes a post or thread about a competing forum. I am a member of other popular forums and they do not allow mention of competing forums as it is free advertising for them.
What is the opinion of members about this? Is it fine allowing members here to promote or mention competing forums without paying this forum owner or taking his permission ?
Well it's actually relative because the forum owner hasn't made as official response with regards to that but the outright advertising of other competing forums hasn't been really happening on the forum a d has not called for attention to looking into regulating such, it's only a few times that in comments others forums are been mentioned but I'm sure if the need to regulate how much other forums are been mentioned on this forum arises then they will definitely work on fixing it without hesitation but for now there's yet to be a crucial reason to give much attention to that.What is the opinion of members about this? Is it fine allowing members here to promote or mention competing forums without paying this forum owner or taking his permission ?
Asides forum other forms of advertisment done on this forum are mostly paid and that's not been a problem because these advertisment are been regulated aswell and are also been paid for.
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I have seen that this forum does not consider it inappropriate when some member makes a post or thread about a competing forum. I am a member of other popular forums and they do not allow mention of competing forums as it is free advertising for them.
What is the opinion of members about this? Is it fine allowing members here to promote or mention competing forums without paying this forum owner or taking his permission ?
Bitcointalk is the mother of all cryptocurrency forums and not in competition with any of them. So, a mother ensures her siblings grow and not compete with them. What is the opinion of members about this? Is it fine allowing members here to promote or mention competing forums without paying this forum owner or taking his permission ?
Regarding the forum and those out there running similar websites, I think we all agree Bitcointalk is ahead by a long distance but (and I know some will disagree) in my opinion, other forums will increase in traffic and prominence over time because of the mixer ban. Mentioning those forums should be allowed without prejudice and in those forums they should also allow the mentioning of other forums too.
I guess Altcoinstalks holds the 2nd place in terms of visitors and activity on the clear net. It's obvious that some of us do not care about the darknet forums which could be more crowded, but I am not aware of any because I am not regular there. Even altcoinstalks admin agrees that Bitcointalk is the top forum website and they don't think they are here to complete with Bitcointalk.
I do not think any of the forum owners think that they would be able to beat Bitcointalk in terms of monthly visits and the activity. But, yeah, all of them try to get some visitors from Bitcointalk because they know how huge the number of users of Bitcointalk.
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Altcoinstalks is not even listed here. Although I do think that's a bit unfair, because it's activity nowadays easily beats those of at least half of the forums on this list.
Yes, you're right it's a little bit unfair with Altcoinstalks as they aren't in that list but trust me I have personally visited most of the forums in that list and only 2-3 of those forums are somewhat good with activity while rest of the forums are just forums and they don't really do much. Activity on most of those forums is very low as compare to Altcoinstalks and the one who created that list hasn't updated it I guess. Altcoinstalks is not even listed here. Although I do think that's a bit unfair, because it's activity nowadays easily beats those of at least half of the forums on this list.
Thankfully there is freedom of speech here and at the same time there is also a member that comes from a wide array of backgrounds (both geographically and with regards to mindset) and it helps shape the forum threads. Even though there is freedom of speech there are clearly restrictions in place, for example plagiarism and calls for violence are not allowed and those doing it will sanctions because moderators will take action. Strangely enough though, scams are not moderated and in that sense, freedom of speech here allows scams to operate. The latest of course is the promotion of mixer bans including URLs to their websites therefore freedom of speech has limits either in real life or in the forum.
Regarding the forum and those out there running similar websites, I think we all agree Bitcointalk is ahead by a long distance but (and I know some will disagree) in my opinion, other forums will increase in traffic and prominence over time because of the mixer ban. Mentioning those forums should be allowed without prejudice and in those forums they should also allow the mentioning of other forums too.
Regarding the forum and those out there running similar websites, I think we all agree Bitcointalk is ahead by a long distance but (and I know some will disagree) in my opinion, other forums will increase in traffic and prominence over time because of the mixer ban. Mentioning those forums should be allowed without prejudice and in those forums they should also allow the mentioning of other forums too.
I do not see other forums as a threat to Bitcointalk forum. Bitcointalk forum has made a name for itself over the years and more people are joining the forum without restrictions. One benefit members enjoy from building the forum is freedom. Freedom to post useful contents from any forum that are free from plagiarism. Bitcoin is not in any form of competition with other forums, infact the teleport feature makes it even more easier for Bitcointalk members to go in and out of other forums without losing their membership in the Bitcointalk forum. If other forums place restrictions on adverts and promotions from other forums, it is them dealing with their insecurities. Other forums are still trying to gather traffic on their platforms therefore, bringing contents from other platforms means diverting the attention of their forum members.
I can't really say that this is an authoritative list, but here on this page it lists the top crypto forums but without giving any metrics about them like page views or users:
1. Bitcointalk
2. Bitcoin.com forum
3. XRP Chat forum
4. Litecointalk Forum
5. Solana Forum
6. Top Gold Forum
7. Cardano Forum
8. Polkadot Forum
9. Dash (DASH) Forum
10. Beermoneyforum
11. Bitcoingarden Forum
12. Bitcoinforum
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Altcoinstalks is not even listed here. Although I do think that's a bit unfair, because it's activity nowadays easily beats those of at least half of the forums on this list.
1. Bitcointalk
2. Bitcoin.com forum
3. XRP Chat forum
4. Litecointalk Forum
5. Solana Forum
6. Top Gold Forum
7. Cardano Forum
8. Polkadot Forum
9. Dash (DASH) Forum
10. Beermoneyforum
11. Bitcoingarden Forum
12. Bitcoinforum
...
Altcoinstalks is not even listed here. Although I do think that's a bit unfair, because it's activity nowadays easily beats those of at least half of the forums on this list.
For now, yes. No one can compete with BitcoinTalk when it comes to cryptocurrency forums (remember everything has an end). But as I've always said in this thread, competition sometimes benefits its users and community. Like what's happening now, before there was very little chance that you could also earn on AltcoinTalk. Look now that they're competing, your chance of earning on AltcoinTalk is higher compared before.
You have to understand that only earning opportunities can change the forum. Of course, it has a big effect. Even though altcoinstalks has a spike of visitors and users, maximum of them are originally from Bitcointalk. Do you think those users left BitcoinTalk? NO. I have teleported my account there and I write there as well. But, I am here as well.
If people join that forum and leave Bitcointalk, that would be a bad thing for this forum. But, this is not what happening now. I have seen their online counter and the number of daily visits. Unfortunately, it does not look real to me. I don't know the truth! I also agree that everything has an end.
I do not see other forums as a threat to Bitcointalk forum. Bitcointalk forum has made a name for itself over the years and more people are joining the forum without restrictions. One benefit members enjoy from building the forum is freedom. Freedom to post useful contents from any forum that are free from plagiarism. Bitcoin is not in any form of competition with other forums, infact the teleport feature makes it even more easier for Bitcointalk members to go in and out of other forums without losing their membership in the Bitcointalk forum. If other forums place restrictions on adverts and promotions from other forums, it is them dealing with their insecurities. Other forums are still trying to gather traffic on their platforms therefore, bringing contents from other platforms means diverting the attention of their forum members.
For now, yes. No one can compete with BitcoinTalk when it comes to cryptocurrency forums (remember everything has an end). But as I've always said in this thread, competition sometimes benefits its users and community. Like what's happening now, before there was very little chance that you could also earn on AltcoinTalk. Look now that they're competing, your chance of earning on AltcoinTalk is higher compared before.
You have to understand that only earning opportunities can change the forum. Of course, it has a big effect. Even though altcoinstalks has a spike of visitors and users, maximum of them are originally from Bitcointalk. Do you think those users left BitcoinTalk? NO. I have teleported my account there and I write there as well. But, I am here as well.
If people join that forum and leave Bitcointalk, that would be a bad thing for this forum. But, this is not what happening now. I have seen their online counter and the number of daily visits. Unfortunately, it does not look real to me. I don't know the truth! I also agree that everything has an end.
Yes true, actually Altcointalk forum is not created to compete with this forum and if we add something positive contest etc here then nothing wrong with it just like Binance listed FtX, Kucoin listed BNB because they know that listing other exchanges coin will not down their popularity. Other forum in the front of this forum is just like comparison of altcoins with BTC. no other crypto forum become famous and also Google SEO of thia forum is on the top position
Also if bitcointalk decides to ban the other forum advertisement here, it will give a wrong message to the community, and most will not like this decision. Similar if binance had denied listing FTX token only because it was the competitor exchange coins, then it also shows the weakness in you that you are afraid of competitions etc.
In fact, if we see in the other forum, in order to attract the posters from this forum, they have a teleport feature, so who are already old members here, they enjoy the same level of seniority on that forum too. This clearly shows that bitcointalk lead in the forums and there is no way they face any competition with the other forum.
No forum can compete or even come close to what Bitcointalk has achieved when you talk of forums about Bitcoin and Cryptocurrency, Bitcointalk is what Google and all into Bitcoin are recommending, all forums exist because of their niche, Bitcointalk and all the other forums are popular because of the popularity of Bitcointalk.
Their links and presence of other Forums here will not hurt Bitcointalk, they are not going to lose their reputation because of other forums they have built their reputation for so many years to be threatened by other forums.
And besides they have the same goal and that is promoting the adoption of Bitcoin.
For now, yes. No one can compete with BitcoinTalk when it comes to cryptocurrency forums (remember everything has an end). But as I've always said in this thread, competition sometimes benefits its users and community. Like what's happening now, before there was very little chance that you could also earn on AltcoinTalk. Look now that they're competing, your chance of earning on AltcoinTalk is higher compared before. Their links and presence of other Forums here will not hurt Bitcointalk, they are not going to lose their reputation because of other forums they have built their reputation for so many years to be threatened by other forums.
And besides they have the same goal and that is promoting the adoption of Bitcoin.
When I was approached by Roger Ver to run a signature campaign on behalf of Bitcoin.com I immediately reached out to theymos to ask his opinion on the matter. He had no issues whatsoever with it and we all know the censorship involving that which shall not be named... I think theymos probably saw it as an opportunity to bring more revenue to this forum's members more than a threat to poach members from here. I can't think of a forum that would have a worse relationship with bitcointalk, so I doubt we'll see any action taken against advertising for outside forums anytime soon.
But it is not so much of a problem now, I think, because after a large number of teleported members in December and January, the speed has slowed down a lot and I don't see that at least for the moment that forum can compete with this one in a major way.
I am not aware of how to check the number of forum members that have registered on other forums (or have teleported specifically to the other forum) but if the numbers are slowing down then it means the initial impact of the mixers ban has begun to subside.One would assume under normal circumstances it would take movement and momentum to get new members to register on any website and clearly the other forum was hardly ever mentioned here but the mixers ban has no doubt given it (and possibly others) an injection of new life. If signature campaigns are active there, traffic will flow there.
In a few years, I don't know, but not today, especially considering that those of us who have a teleported account there still write here.
There is also the possibility that as long both forums continue to remain accessible, in future members could post in both and even other forums. We still do not know how all of this will unfold in 2-3 years time. 
No forum can compete or even come close to what Bitcointalk has achieved when you talk of forums about Bitcoin and Cryptocurrency, Bitcointalk is what Google and all into Bitcoin are recommending, all forums exist because of their niche, Bitcointalk and all the other forums are popular because of the popularity of Bitcointalk.
Their links and presence of other Forums here will not hurt Bitcointalk, they are not going to lose their reputation because of other forums they have built their reputation for so many years to be threatened by other forums.
And besides they have the same goal and that is promoting the adoption of Bitcoin.
Their links and presence of other Forums here will not hurt Bitcointalk, they are not going to lose their reputation because of other forums they have built their reputation for so many years to be threatened by other forums.
And besides they have the same goal and that is promoting the adoption of Bitcoin.
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