I think everyone gave you the correct answer. The Bitcoin Talk forum is too big to consider one of the forums as a competitor to it. This is the largest and oldest Bitcoin forum ever, so I don't think that members should pay this forum owner or take his permission just to talk about other forums, then Thymos announced several times that the forum is satisfied with money and he does not even care about paid advertisements on the forum.
This falls within the scope of personal freedom. If anyone likes an idea in one forum, he has the right to transfer it to another forum, mentioning the source, so that it is not considered plagiarism. and vice versa. This does not involve competition or offense to anyone.
Topic: Should bitcointalk ban promotion of other forums? - page 3. (Read 1310 times)
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Oh I never said forums are totally dead; there will still be decent amounts activity for sure(especially niche stuff, like tech/programming), but if stretch it out in a longer timespan, they've been easily dying to modern equivalents(modern social media sites, Reddit, etc).
Well, I am not so sure because in the forum I posted before there are a lot of young people, teenagers, who participate. It is especially noticeable when there are school holidays when you see them in the general forum making up stories or asking stupid questions (and they don't get paid for writing). These same young people also have social media, not instead of.
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~Personally, I as a forum owner will never allow a competing forum to advertise on my forum though.
But if you're worried, I wonder what you're worried about that you don't want to have competitors?
What is the opinion of members about this? Is it fine allowing members here to promote or mention competing forums without paying this forum owner or taking his permission ?
it's fine, I mean I think even Theymos is fine about it, he mentioned that he tries to make the forum as free as possible(I assume that includes people advertising other forums). if you've been in the forum long enough you'll know come to find out that a forum called Cryptotalk.org that was owned by Yobit ran a signature campaign here.The things on the forum which encourage spam are allowed mainly because it's part of the forum's mission to be as free as possible. Eg. banning bounties would undoubtedly reduce spam, but that'd be destroying an entire economy/population/culture which has been able to develop due to the forum's freedom. I am willing to take this sort of action, but only as an absolute last resort. It's always preferable to handle these problems by reshaping the environment to make them non-problems, rather than removing some freedom.
Yes, I know about cryptotalk.org. They failed to make any impact even after spending so much money paying users. Personally, I as a forum owner will never allow a competing forum to advertise on my forum though.
IM refers to Internet marketing. Or in other words, make money online.
Then could you please spell stuff like that out instead of having people guess what you're trying to say? The first thing I thought was intramuscular, which obviously makes no sense in the context of this discussion. The same goes for the other generalities. You're wasting people's time by not being explicit.Even if we all came to a consensus on the question you posed--which we won't--it doesn't matter anyway. This isn't your forum, mine, or anyone's except Theymos's and whoever else has some kind of ownership in it, so if there was some kind of competition to bitcointalk, the banning of the promotion of said competition would be completely out of our hands. Ergo, this is a pointless topic. Lock up the thread and forget it.
I have seen that this forum does not consider it inappropriate when some member makes a post or thread about a competing forum. I am a member of other popular forums and they do not allow mention of competing forums as it is free advertising for them.
What is the opinion of members about this? Is it fine allowing members here to promote or mention competing forums without paying this forum owner or taking his permission ?
Based on the purpose Satoshi created this forum to serve in the cryptocurrency and blockchain space. No forum can compete with this forum, if any users of this forum say something about another forum on here they are just pointing out something the Mod ought to consider on this forum and people are free to mention other forums on here because the forum Mods aim is to make this forum decentralized as much as possible. What is the opinion of members about this? Is it fine allowing members here to promote or mention competing forums without paying this forum owner or taking his permission ?
To add to what I said above, I think someone might have asked this question before a very long time ago and if I remember correctly theymos even commented on it if someone wants to do some digging to see what he said.
Yobit and Cryptotalk had their signature campaign to shill Cryptotalk forum in 2019. Because initially it was a spam campaign, Bitcointalk community reacted to it and yahoo took over the campaign to clean spammers from participant list.theymos even banned the Yobit account here because of abuse and some spammers from that campaign but eventually, he allowed Cryptotalk forum to advertise here via a signature campaign under yahoo62278.
I don't think that was it. I think someone else directly asked whether it was OK or allowed to advertise a competing forum and thyemos gave his opinion.
It's a good idea for anyone to ask permission first before promoting advertisements or anything else on this forum, so that there is consideration from the party who has the right to make decisions.
Sorry if I am wrong.
I have seen that this forum does not consider it inappropriate when some member makes a post or thread about a competing forum. I am a member of other popular forums and they do not allow mention of competing forums as it is free advertising for them.
What is the opinion of members about this? Is it fine allowing members here to promote or mention competing forums without paying this forum owner or taking his permission ?
Why is it that people like being grossly moderated. As you mention other forums here without being banned, you no longer like it. You will like it when theymos will say don't mention mixers, Altcoinstalks, casino, facebook, twitter, Reddit and others. This forum is known for freedom of speech. I have seen many people suggest to theymos to directly or indirectly limit this freedom but he understands the importance of freedom, there's no need to fight against what Satoshi endorsed.What is the opinion of members about this? Is it fine allowing members here to promote or mention competing forums without paying this forum owner or taking his permission ?
When bitcointalk started newly, there was massive promotion of this forum and bitcoin in different social medias like facebook and twitter by sharing links from this forum to those social medias. As noted by LoyceV, the forum was not prevented in that early stage. How do you then expect the forum to prevent smaller forums that want to leverage on the forum for growth.
In bitcointalk, there's altcoins boards and sub boards. What this means is that this forum is very accommodating and as well the mother of all the crypto related forums. So, it will make no sense to prevent them from growing. The fight is against cryptocurrency and not among cryptocurrency.
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To add to what I said above, I think someone might have asked this question before a very long time ago and if I remember correctly theymos even commented on it if someone wants to do some digging to see what he said.
Yobit and Cryptotalk had their signature campaign to shill Cryptotalk forum in 2019. Because initially it was a spam campaign, Bitcointalk community reacted to it and yahoo took over the campaign to clean spammers from participant list.theymos even banned the Yobit account here because of abuse and some spammers from that campaign but eventually, he allowed Cryptotalk forum to advertise here via a signature campaign under yahoo62278.
I don't think that was it. I think someone else directly asked whether it was OK or allowed to advertise a competing forum and thyemos gave his opinion.
I have seen that this forum does not consider it inappropriate when some member makes a post or thread about a competing forum. I am a member of other popular forums and they do not allow mention of competing forums as it is free advertising for them.
What is the opinion of members about this? Is it fine allowing members here to promote or mention competing forums without paying this forum owner or taking his permission ?
What is the opinion of members about this? Is it fine allowing members here to promote or mention competing forums without paying this forum owner or taking his permission ?
What they have done wrong to Bitcointalk and people to get a ban here, people will question Bitcointalk administrators as if they are threatened by other forums, when the reality is not, so far mixers are the only platform officially banned by Bitcointalk, if Ponzi scheme and questionable platforms are being promoted here that can harm members why not other forums, if they ban the mention of Bitcointalk in their forum, the admins will not go down to that level and do the same.
I have seen that this forum does not consider it inappropriate when some member makes a post or thread about a competing forum. I am a member of other popular forums and they do not allow mention of competing forums as it is free advertising for them.
What is the opinion of members about this? Is it fine allowing members here to promote or mention competing forums without paying this forum owner or taking his permission ?
Well, I will say you should leave it to the admin of the forum, they are the boss here, they call the shot and make the rules. So, if they see it as nothing, so be it, after all, everything is not operating in the same manner in every facet of life. But in the wider sense, just like how it is being used on social media where a low-level/unnoticed handle would suddenly rise to prominence because it attacks or talks false or more on the stars/celebrities, it will not be different in this context either.What is the opinion of members about this? Is it fine allowing members here to promote or mention competing forums without paying this forum owner or taking his permission ?
Such forum(s) will surely rise to more prominence if nothing is done and will surely embolden users more. As it is now, I don't think Bitcointalk is in competition with any forum, only that allowing double standards can't be so good.
Above all, let the admin decide how the forum is being run.
bitcointalk is still and will remain the father of all cryptocurrency forums
That statement is more than enough for those who try to promote hatred because Bitcointalk is the father of all crypto-currency forums and it will always be on top no matter if many new forums get traffic or users, they'll still consider Bitcointalk as superior. The admin of that forum also mentioned in his comment that they won't compete with Bitcointalk and they also believe that Bitcointalk will always be on top as forum for Bitcoin and crypto-currency users. In fact if another forum is getting active because they're allowing advertising of mixers which isn't allowed here anymore then what's wrong with that?
I think those people who try to promote hatred like this should understand that Bitcointalk has always given priority to freedom of speech and it will always give high priority to it. In fact it's the only forum because of which many casinos and other businesses got their first users.
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I have seen that this forum does not consider it inappropriate when some member makes a post or thread about a competing forum. I am a member of other popular forums and they do not allow mention of competing forums as it is free advertising for them.
What is the opinion of members about this? Is it fine allowing members here to promote or mention competing forums without paying this forum owner or taking his permission ?
Says a user who has a link to his profile on another forum as his signature on this forum, what an irony.What is the opinion of members about this? Is it fine allowing members here to promote or mention competing forums without paying this forum owner or taking his permission ?
Anyways, note that my mentioning altcoinstalks on this comment is for reference purposes only, not promoting them, altcoinstalks did censored and banned the mention of bitcointalk on their forum for several years, it was after that theymos banned mixers, and many users from bitcointalk started rushing to sign up on altcoinstalks because the campaign managers announced that they were moving mixer signatures to that forum. This was when the admin of altcoinstalks realized that possibly, bitcointalk is not in competition with his forum, so, he lifted the censorship and ban on links to bitcointalk, and also bitcointalk as a word.
Now, the question is, should bitcointalk do same? The Answer is No, allow them, bitcointalk is still and will remain the father of all cryptocurrency forums because, this is the only place where the spirit of Satoshi Nakamoto lives, and good fathers are known to lead their children by examples, and to me, banning the mention or promotion of other forums here won't be a good example bitcointalk is leading other forums with, and besides, this forum is not in competition with any other forum, atleast, until theymos says otherwise.
I have seen that this forum does not consider it inappropriate when some member makes a post or thread about a competing forum. I am a member of other popular forums and they do not allow mention of competing forums as it is free advertising for them.
What is the opinion of members about this? Is it fine allowing members here to promote or mention competing forums without paying this forum owner or taking his permission ?
What is the opinion of members about this? Is it fine allowing members here to promote or mention competing forums without paying this forum owner or taking his permission ?
Although you were registered here 6+ years ago, I guess you were not active enough during that time, If you did, you would know that there were even paid campaign signatures here that promoted other forums. Until now, quite a lot of attention has been paid here to freedom of speech and Bitcointalk is one of the few places where it is allowed to discuss almost anything. (Some red lines still exist)
Otherwise, Bitcointalk has no competition, and what is the competition in this case at all?
Bitcointalk to other Cryptocurrency forums is same as "Bitcoin" to other Altcoins "Father Figure" so Bitcointalk doesn't need to ban posting or talking about other forums. and it is not necessary either. Bitcointalk have it's place booked among bitcoin and crypto community. it cannot be replaced or overtake by any other forums.
Besides Bitcointalk is a free place with freedom of speech. everyone can talk and post about anything, promote their projects (if bitcoin and crypto related) freely without any restrictions. Bitcointalk don't even moderate scams. then why would it ban another forum?
Besides Bitcointalk is a free place with freedom of speech. everyone can talk and post about anything, promote their projects (if bitcoin and crypto related) freely without any restrictions. Bitcointalk don't even moderate scams. then why would it ban another forum?
I am a member of other popular forums and they do not allow mention of competing forums
that's a pretty dick move. but they have the right to make their own rules. who cares. 
To add to what I said above, I think someone might have asked this question before a very long time ago and if I remember correctly theymos even commented on it if someone wants to do some digging to see what he said.
Yobit and Cryptotalk had their signature campaign to shill Cryptotalk forum in 2019. Because initially it was a spam campaign, Bitcointalk community reacted to it and yahoo took over the campaign to clean spammers from participant list.theymos even banned the Yobit account here because of abuse and some spammers from that campaign but eventually, he allowed Cryptotalk forum to advertise here via a signature campaign under yahoo62278.
129 users who were wearing a yobit signature and had at least 1 good report against them in the last 14 days are banned for 14 days. All yobit signatures are wiped. Signatures containing "yobit.net" are banned for 60 days.
Some people were talking about neg-trusting spammers for spamming. This is not appropriate; report the posts, and if that doesn't seem to be working well, come to Meta with specific examples and suggestions.
Some people were talking about neg-trusting spammers for spamming. This is not appropriate; report the posts, and if that doesn't seem to be working well, come to Meta with specific examples and suggestions.
These forums are profitable projects, and advertising competing forums may lose some profits, but bitcointalk forum already has 1,226 BTC, which I do not know how it will be spent to develop the forum in the future, especially with the increase in the price of Bitcoin.
In short, there is enough money for the forum and it does not need advertisements to continue its growth, as the legal repercussions are the only ones that might force the forum to stop.
better questions maybe how to use this money to develop the forum to give freedom as much as possible, and not more banning.
In short, there is enough money for the forum and it does not need advertisements to continue its growth, as the legal repercussions are the only ones that might force the forum to stop.
better questions maybe how to use this money to develop the forum to give freedom as much as possible, and not more banning.
I think the other forum should run a signature campaign here. How is that idea? They probably have the funds to do so.
This proposal is no good.
Ever since mixers were banned, now people are rushing with proposals to censor other stuff that they don't like.
Ever since mixers were banned, now people are rushing with proposals to censor other stuff that they don't like.
I have seen that this forum does not consider it inappropriate when some member makes a post or thread about a competing forum. I am a member of other popular forums and they do not allow mention of competing forums as it is free advertising for them.
I doubt there are many forum or places which do such thing.
What is the opinion of members about this?
It's poor suggestion.
Is it fine allowing members here to promote or mention competing forums without paying this forum owner or taking his permission ?
Yes, we already can discuss service on "Service Discussion" and promote service on "Service Announcements". Even social media doesn't forbid you to talk about competing social media. In addition, member occasionally share interesting topic or article from competing forum which create new discussion in this forum.
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