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"Hypocrisy is never a separate issue. This cuts to the core of what justice is supposed to mean."
No it is a separate issue.
To have justice people need to be responsible for their own actions in absolute terms.
If someone shot you and your family and you survived I don't think you'd accept any amount of "yeah but the governments way worse" argumentation.
One context in which you see a lot of this "whatabout" argumentation is supporters of Israel. You point out Israel's many, many crimes and they are all "yeah whatabout Hamas" "whatabout Hezbollah" "whatabout this" "whereabouts that". Whatabout them. It doesn't make Israels massacres and land grabbing any more just.
"Whatabout" defenses are poor argumentation and a glib abrogation of responsibility. If you don't like government injustice then go and do something about it, don't use it as an excuse for other wrong doers.
Topic: Silk Road Founder Ross Ulbricht Sentenced to Life in Prison - page 34. (Read 50157 times)
what if Ross doesn't pay the 186 million to the government?
Are they gonna throw him in jail?
Are they gonna throw him in jail?
Here is how they work that out. You usually have to work in jail I believe. Let us say they pay you $5 a day or whatever crappy amount they pay. They may take $2.50 to go towards the fine and the rest to you. If you get money sent to you they will take some to pay the fine. I have a friend in jail and that is what they do to him.
What if you refuse to work? Personally, I wouldn't work for $5 a day if I was in jail.
I'd rather spend my time reading, writing, etc.
It depends on the prison. If you don't work in some prisons you get written up. A few write ups you may be reclassified and wished you worked. They may be forced into lock down if they refuse work. There are prisons where they do not have to work. In some prisons you can be sent to solitary confinement for not working. This is not fun camp, this is prison.
Nevermind the fact that you prolly get fucked in the ass by angry niggers most days. Not fun at all.
Wow, this is a very harsh punishment. Looks like they did indeed want to make an example out of him.
True. So don't do illegal shit with bitcoin!!!! It's that simple.
Wow, this is a very harsh punishment. Looks like they did indeed want to make an example out of him.
what if Ross doesn't pay the 186 million to the government?
Are they gonna throw him in jail?
Are they gonna throw him in jail?
Here is how they work that out. You usually have to work in jail I believe. Let us say they pay you $5 a day or whatever crappy amount they pay. They may take $2.50 to go towards the fine and the rest to you. If you get money sent to you they will take some to pay the fine. I have a friend in jail and that is what they do to him.
What if you refuse to work? Personally, I wouldn't work for $5 a day if I was in jail.
I'd rather spend my time reading, writing, etc.
It depends on the prison. If you don't work in some prisons you get written up. A few write ups you may be reclassified and wished you worked. They may be forced into lock down if they refuse work. There are prisons where they do not have to work. In some prisons you can be sent to solitary confinement for not working. This is not fun camp, this is prison.
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what if Ross doesn't pay the 186 million to the government?
Are they gonna throw him in jail?
Are they gonna throw him in jail?
Here is how they work that out. You usually have to work in jail I believe. Let us say they pay you $5 a day or whatever crappy amount they pay. They may take $2.50 to go towards the fine and the rest to you. If you get money sent to you they will take some to pay the fine. I have a friend in jail and that is what they do to him.
What if you refuse to work? Personally, I wouldn't work for $5 a day if I was in jail.
I'd rather spend my time reading, writing, etc.
what if Ross doesn't pay the 186 million to the government?
Are they gonna throw him in jail?
Are they gonna throw him in jail?
Here is how they work that out. You usually have to work in jail I believe. Let us say they pay you $5 a day or whatever crappy amount they pay. They may take $2.50 to go towards the fine and the rest to you. If you get money sent to you they will take some to pay the fine. I have a friend in jail and that is what they do to him.
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what if Ross doesn't pay the 186 million to the government?
Are they gonna throw him in jail?
Are they gonna throw him in jail?
I agree. If in USA they sentence for such crime, for life, there is seriously something wrong with their law system.
I never put much interest in what he was accused off, but what i think of he should get max 10 years.
So what get the ones that kill someone by mistake? 10 lives?
I never put much interest in what he was accused off, but what i think of he should get max 10 years.
So what get the ones that kill someone by mistake? 10 lives?
We do not have the best law system nor do we have the worst. But I will agree something is wrong with the system. The U.S. has more prisoners than any other nation in the world. This is absurd for a land that claims to be the land of the free. My biggest problem with the system is they charge the prisoner with fines that make no sense. Being charged millions of dollars more than what the individual ever made. They should change the legal system here because it is weighed heavily in the prosecution's favor. They get pretty much unlimited funding and they have been known to withhold evidence. Look at the public defenders, they get huge number of cases and limited funds.
How long is life in the States? Literally life?
What good will sending this sort of message do? Do they really think that people are going to stop creating darknet sites now? Good luck trying to take down decentralized ones that should be coming soon. I think this just shows how much we really need them.
Yeah really.. I think the seizure and arrests revolving around the original Silk Road only strengthened the resolve and the influence that other markets have now and will have in the future. Libertarian movements on the Darknet will almost definitely double their efforts to make a stand.Life is pretty severe, but I guess they needed to send a message.
All other controllers of deepweb black markets have now been put on notice.
All other controllers of deepweb black markets have now been put on notice.
What good will sending this sort of message do? Do they really think that people are going to stop creating darknet sites now? Good luck trying to take down decentralized ones that should be coming soon. I think this just shows how much we really need them.
Its akin to pouring water on a grease fire.
I agree. If in USA they sentence for such crime, for life, there is seriously something wrong with their law system.
I never put much interest in what he was accused off, but what i think of he should get max 10 years.
So what get the ones that kill someone by mistake? 10 lives?
I never put much interest in what he was accused off, but what i think of he should get max 10 years.
So what get the ones that kill someone by mistake? 10 lives?
Life in prison for that, it is disgusting I won't go in to details but there are men who have committed horrific crimes to both women and children. They seem to find the light of day after a few years. BS laws he is so unlucky as he could have left and lived the dream but greediness 
Ross got life in prison, without parole for running a website which challenged the bankers' supremacy. On the other hand, Hillary Clinton has indirectly caused millions of deaths in Bosnia, Serbia, Libya.etc and she is running for POTUS now. If there is justice, then it should be applicable to everyone. You can't say that some people are very special, and the laws are not applicable to them.
Apparently the logs show RU making shady deals with hitmen. If true then he is clearly a dangerous individual who's sense of power went to his head. We are talking about six people. One of the people was indeed an undercover agent, and if they were "entraping" him; good. This isn't entrapment for prostitution, he was trying to kill somebody.
This is a fair point, and I agree if he truly has such a callous disregard for life he doesn't belong in society. However, Ross hasn't faced trial for that alleged crime, so it's moot when discussing the life-without-parole sentence he just received. Innocent until proven guilty.What about the government doing this or that? What about it? Its a separate issue. Just because the governments crap doesn't mean one can do whatever one wants.
Hypocrisy is never a separate issue. This cuts to the core of what justice is supposed to mean.Governments don't seek justice, individuals do. Governments seek control at the expense of justice.
What I understand is that RU acted on his own, had no political connections.
It is not a secret that the organized crime have banks, corrupted politicals, hitmen, everything they need to do their business without too much obstacles, almost legit (unfortunately) - that is why they don't need bitcoin, computers and darknet.
RU is like holy water for justice, a good opportunity to say to the masses: "see! we fight drug traffic!"
It is not a secret that the organized crime have banks, corrupted politicals, hitmen, everything they need to do their business without too much obstacles, almost legit (unfortunately) - that is why they don't need bitcoin, computers and darknet.
RU is like holy water for justice, a good opportunity to say to the masses: "see! we fight drug traffic!"
Apparently the logs show RU making shady deals with hitmen. If true then he is clearly a dangerous individual who's sense of power went to his head. We are talking about six people. One of the people was indeed an undercover agent, and if they were "entraping" him; good. This isn't entrapment for prostitution, he was trying to kill somebody.
This is a fair point, and I agree if he truly has such a callous disregard for life he doesn't belong in society. However, Ross hasn't faced trial for that alleged crime, so it's moot when discussing the life-without-parole sentence he just received. Innocent until proven guilty.What about the government doing this or that? What about it? Its a separate issue. Just because the governments crap doesn't mean one can do whatever one wants.
Hypocrisy is never a separate issue. This cuts to the core of what justice is supposed to mean.Governments don't seek justice, individuals do. Governments seek control at the expense of justice.
Apparently the logs show RU making shady deals with hitmen. If true then he is clearly a dangerous individual who's sense of power went to his head. We are talking about six people. One of the people was indeed an undercover agent, and if they were "entraping" him; good. This isn't entrapment for prostitution, he was trying to kill somebody.
This is a fair point, and I agree if he truly has such a callous disregard for life he doesn't belong in society. However, Ross hasn't faced trial for that alleged crime, so it's moot when discussing the life-without-parole sentence he just received. Innocent until proven guilty.What about the government doing this or that? What about it? Its a separate issue. Just because the governments crap doesn't mean one can do whatever one wants.
Hypocrisy is never a separate issue. This cuts to the core of what justice is supposed to mean.
Balls is talking sense.
Blindly following power is a very bad thing but so is blindly opposing it. You are blind either way.
Apparently the logs show RU making shady deals with hitmen. If true then he is clearly a dangerous individual who's sense of power went to his head. We are talking about six people. One of the people was indeed an undercover agent, and if they were "entraping" him; good. This isn't entrapment for prostitution, he was trying to kill somebody.
The judge refered to this evidence as "powerful", not a term judges tend to use unless it is. He apparent was also targeting people living with an enemy. Even the mob don't hit the kids.
Even if RU was just playing with this stuff, he was playing "silly billiles" as we say around my parts.
I dislike all this whataboutery. What about the government doing this or that? What about it? Its a separate issue. Just because the governments crap doesn't mean one can do whatever one wants.
I feel badly for RU and have already told somebody off for mocking the fact he might get raped. However before I can say that his sentace is wrong I need to see how the other charges go. If he tried to have people "whacked" then in jail he belongs, plain and simple.
Blindly following power is a very bad thing but so is blindly opposing it. You are blind either way.
Apparently the logs show RU making shady deals with hitmen. If true then he is clearly a dangerous individual who's sense of power went to his head. We are talking about six people. One of the people was indeed an undercover agent, and if they were "entraping" him; good. This isn't entrapment for prostitution, he was trying to kill somebody.
The judge refered to this evidence as "powerful", not a term judges tend to use unless it is. He apparent was also targeting people living with an enemy. Even the mob don't hit the kids.
Even if RU was just playing with this stuff, he was playing "silly billiles" as we say around my parts.
I dislike all this whataboutery. What about the government doing this or that? What about it? Its a separate issue. Just because the governments crap doesn't mean one can do whatever one wants.
I feel badly for RU and have already told somebody off for mocking the fact he might get raped. However before I can say that his sentace is wrong I need to see how the other charges go. If he tried to have people "whacked" then in jail he belongs, plain and simple.
That's not the same. The money wasn't created to explicitly buy illegal things but this market was. And just because he didn't personally kill anyone doesn't mean anything. Hiring someone to do the job is just as bad as the intention is the same. Had he not done that I'd have a totally different opinion of his but I think he certainly acted like a drug kingpin as the power of being one obviously went to his head.
Yeah what tipped my opinion of him was the fact that there was suspicions that he ordered hits on people. It was never actually part of the charges against him - but I'm not exactly surprised that there were suspicions. I don't necessarily condone what he did with SR - but those hits really make me feel that he does deserve the life sentence he got in the end.
I could hardly condemn a man to life in prison based on "suspicions" of his hiring hit-men. As you say, he was not found guilty of this. Ultimately, he was not even charged with this.
You've fallen prey to a well-executed smear campaign. You're not alone though. Ross was both denied bail and denied advanced knowledge of those testifying against him based on these rumours.
The smear campaign actually works both ways. I've seen lots of people willing to defend him as a saviour whilst ignoring all the other evidence of what he did or tried to do. He wasn't found guilty of the hitmen charges in this trial but the charges are still pending in another one as far as I'm aware. Ross was denied bail because he was an obvious flight risk regardless of the murder charges. He almost certainly would have tried to leave the country and he would of been stupid not to and granting him bail would have been even more stupid.
Life in prison for that, it is disgusting I won't go in to details but there are men who have committed horrific crimes to both women and children. They seem to find the light of day after a few years. BS laws he is so unlucky as he could have left and lived the dream but greediness
That's not the same. The money wasn't created to explicitly buy illegal things but this market was. And just because he didn't personally kill anyone doesn't mean anything. Hiring someone to do the job is just as bad as the intention is the same. Had he not done that I'd have a totally different opinion of his but I think he certainly acted like a drug kingpin as the power of being one obviously went to his head.
Yeah what tipped my opinion of him was the fact that there was suspicions that he ordered hits on people. It was never actually part of the charges against him - but I'm not exactly surprised that there were suspicions. I don't necessarily condone what he did with SR - but those hits really make me feel that he does deserve the life sentence he got in the end.
Same, but it wasn't just suspicion. He actually did order them. Not only was he caught in the stings by the undercover cops but he kept journals and chat logs detailing the entire process of SR and the hits. He was very very stupidly niave and now he has paid the ultimate price.
That's not the same. The money wasn't created to explicitly buy illegal things but this market was. And just because he didn't personally kill anyone doesn't mean anything. Hiring someone to do the job is just as bad as the intention is the same. Had he not done that I'd have a totally different opinion of his but I think he certainly acted like a drug kingpin as the power of being one obviously went to his head.
Yeah what tipped my opinion of him was the fact that there was suspicions that he ordered hits on people. It was never actually part of the charges against him - but I'm not exactly surprised that there were suspicions. I don't necessarily condone what he did with SR - but those hits really make me feel that he does deserve the life sentence he got in the end.
I could hardly condemn a man to life in prison based on "suspicions" of his hiring hit-men. As you say, he was not found guilty of this. Ultimately, he was not even charged with this.
You've fallen prey to a well-executed smear campaign. You're not alone though. Ross was both denied bail and denied advanced knowledge of those testifying against him based on these rumours.
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