We live in an anarchy of the bankers/rentseekers/those with/big government
What we have is called a neo-fascist polyglot oligarchy, not anarchy (without rulers). 
Topic: Silk Road Founder Ross Ulbricht Sentenced to Life in Prison - page 33. (Read 50169 times)
This has been bothering me all day, this case just shows the lengths the US gov will go to keep all us sheeps in line. They don't care about the drugs, that's just an excuse. What they are threatened by is the lack of control they had over Silk road. They couldn't make a buck out of it.
Actually, the guy tried to have people killed and children died buying drugs from his website.
The government often oversteps its bounds, but in this case I think the punishment fits the crime.
Gullible much?
im so glad im not in the US, its insane there.
RU provided a serivce, how can he be blamed, for some kid choosing to take the drug or any other person, where is the personal responsibility?
the whole war on drugs is stupid beyond reason.
RU provided a serivce, how can he be blamed, for some kid choosing to take the drug or any other person, where is the personal responsibility?
the whole war on drugs is stupid beyond reason.
I don't disagree that the war on drugs is stupid and utterly futile, but Ross is still a criminal in the eyes of the law with money laundering and facilitating the sale of drugs... and then of course the hits he tried to put out on people. I would have had some respect and sympathy for him and supported his freedom had that not happened.
We can all agree that his sentence was by far too hard for a website owner.. as if hes a drug cartel who personally killed people and distributed drugs.. in that case, we can also convict the us gov for printing the money allowing people to buy guns and drugs..
That's not the same. The money wasn't created to explicitly buy illegal things but this market was. And just because he didn't personally kill anyone doesn't mean anything. Hiring someone to do the job is just as bad as the intention is the same. Had he not done that I'd have a totally different opinion of his but I think he certainly acted like a drug kingpin as the power of being one obviously went to his head.
We can simple say the he searched the prison, you can't think to make illegal things for a long time and not be arrested... maybe if you know what you are doing (you can continue for a long time) but it seems that this is not the case.
Yes, it is not a shame... if you make illegal things you will be mostly imprisoned... we are not in an anarchy
.We live in an anarchy of the bankers/rentseekers/those with/big government, your just not allowed to partake of that anarchy. So you get the worst of both worlds.
The Silk Road and Ross Ulbricht are not the thing that government and the media make them out to be. Perhaps government doesn't completely lie, but its focus is so skewed that it might as well be lying.
http://www.wired.com/2015/05/deep-web-silk-road-alex-winter/
EDIT: If you ever want freedom from the stupid, picky things that people use government to do to you, you better fight government in this case. It might be late, but we can still set Ross - and ourselves, thereby - free.
http://www.wired.com/2015/05/deep-web-silk-road-alex-winter/
EDIT: If you ever want freedom from the stupid, picky things that people use government to do to you, you better fight government in this case. It might be late, but we can still set Ross - and ourselves, thereby - free.
This has been bothering me all day, this case just shows the lengths the US gov will go to keep all us sheeps in line. They don't care about the drugs, that's just an excuse. What they are threatened by is the lack of control they had over Silk road. They couldn't make a buck out of it.
Actually, the guy tried to have people killed and children died buying drugs from his website.
The government often oversteps its bounds, but in this case I think the punishment fits the crime.
This has been bothering me all day, this case just shows the lengths the US gov will go to keep all us sheeps in line. They don't care about the drugs, that's just an excuse. What they are threatened by is the lack of control they had over Silk road. They couldn't make a buck out of it.
"Ross got life in prison, without parole for running a website which challenged the bankers' supremacy."
It didn't challenge bankers supremacy. Not in the same universe. And it also had murder for hire.
"On the other hand, Hillary Clinton has indirectly caused millions of deaths in Bosnia, Serbia, Libya.etc and she is running for POTUS now.
If there is justice, then it should be applicable to everyone. You can't say that some people are very special, and the laws are not applicable to them. "
Justice for everyone means making the powerful accountable to justice not letting the less powerful do whatever they want. Politicians and bankers should be held accountable to the law and we need to take actions to make that the case. However, RU should be accountable too.
It didn't challenge bankers supremacy. Not in the same universe. And it also had murder for hire.
"On the other hand, Hillary Clinton has indirectly caused millions of deaths in Bosnia, Serbia, Libya.etc and she is running for POTUS now.
If there is justice, then it should be applicable to everyone. You can't say that some people are very special, and the laws are not applicable to them. "
Justice for everyone means making the powerful accountable to justice not letting the less powerful do whatever they want. Politicians and bankers should be held accountable to the law and we need to take actions to make that the case. However, RU should be accountable too.
And how do you propose that happens if the powerful control the entire system?
How do you take away their power over the system and the less powerful and judge them accordingly?
"A lifetime of wealth and power have made you blind in one eye. We are the many, you are the few. And when the many stop fearing the few..."
-High Sparrow
Good post that.
Its not really the point I was making. If you are asking that then its a case of "how long have you got".
The point is that when it comes to justice "whatabout" arguments are poor. An action is just or it isn't, regardless of what somebody else is doing. If somebody else is doing something wrong then they should be brought to justice.
RU created an open market for murder. He also seems to have tried to avail himself of those services, though that is not what he was convicted for.
I'd really like to know that he wasn't trying to have people killed before making him Nelson Mandela. The evidence says he did, unfortunately.
He seems to have just run wild, believing that he was untouchable. He wasn't. Sad, but at this stage I can't swear it is unjust.
The point is that when it comes to justice "whatabout" arguments are poor. An action is just or it isn't, regardless of what somebody else is doing. If somebody else is doing something wrong then they should be brought to justice.
RU created an open market for murder. He also seems to have tried to avail himself of those services, though that is not what he was convicted for.
I'd really like to know that he wasn't trying to have people killed before making him Nelson Mandela. The evidence says he did, unfortunately.
He seems to have just run wild, believing that he was untouchable. He wasn't. Sad, but at this stage I can't swear it is unjust.
Every 'hero' has a complex and mucky past that their advocates choose to gloss over. This fella will be no different.
I think he is an unworldly overprivileged prick who was too stupid, greedy or arrogant to think through what he was actually getting himself into, but he will always be a lightning rod for what people perceive him to symbolise.
He deserves to go down. Not for a lifetime though. Whatever you think of him, it's hard to deny that his sentence is as much about making an example of him as it is criminal.
Nevermind the fact that you prolly get fucked in the ass by angry niggers most days. Not fun at all.
Its not really the point I was making. If you are asking that then its a case of "how long have you got".
The point is that when it comes to justice "whatabout" arguments are poor. An action is just or it isn't, regardless of what somebody else is doing. If somebody else is doing something wrong then they should be brought to justice.
RU created an open market for murder. He also seems to have tried to avail himself of those services, though that is not what he was convicted for.
I'd really like to know that he wasn't trying to have people killed before making him Nelson Mandela. The evidence says he did, unfortunately.
He seems to have just run wild, believing that he was untouchable. He wasn't. Sad, but at this stage I can't swear it is unjust.
The point is that when it comes to justice "whatabout" arguments are poor. An action is just or it isn't, regardless of what somebody else is doing. If somebody else is doing something wrong then they should be brought to justice.
RU created an open market for murder. He also seems to have tried to avail himself of those services, though that is not what he was convicted for.
I'd really like to know that he wasn't trying to have people killed before making him Nelson Mandela. The evidence says he did, unfortunately.
He seems to have just run wild, believing that he was untouchable. He wasn't. Sad, but at this stage I can't swear it is unjust.
even i that dont pay much attention to investment got this news on tv but ok life for i guess it was also drug dealing in silk road the judges decide.
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"Ross got life in prison, without parole for running a website which challenged the bankers' supremacy."
It didn't challenge bankers supremacy. Not in the same universe. And it also had murder for hire.
"On the other hand, Hillary Clinton has indirectly caused millions of deaths in Bosnia, Serbia, Libya.etc and she is running for POTUS now.
If there is justice, then it should be applicable to everyone. You can't say that some people are very special, and the laws are not applicable to them. "
Justice for everyone means making the powerful accountable to justice not letting the less powerful do whatever they want. Politicians and bankers should be held accountable to the law and we need to take actions to make that the case. However, RU should be accountable too.
It didn't challenge bankers supremacy. Not in the same universe. And it also had murder for hire.
"On the other hand, Hillary Clinton has indirectly caused millions of deaths in Bosnia, Serbia, Libya.etc and she is running for POTUS now.
If there is justice, then it should be applicable to everyone. You can't say that some people are very special, and the laws are not applicable to them. "
Justice for everyone means making the powerful accountable to justice not letting the less powerful do whatever they want. Politicians and bankers should be held accountable to the law and we need to take actions to make that the case. However, RU should be accountable too.
And how do you propose that happens if the powerful control the entire system?
How do you take away their power over the system and the less powerful and judge them accordingly?
only by taking away their power to issue money.
"Ross got life in prison, without parole for running a website which challenged the bankers' supremacy."
It didn't challenge bankers supremacy. Not in the same universe. And it also had murder for hire.
"On the other hand, Hillary Clinton has indirectly caused millions of deaths in Bosnia, Serbia, Libya.etc and she is running for POTUS now.
If there is justice, then it should be applicable to everyone. You can't say that some people are very special, and the laws are not applicable to them. "
Justice for everyone means making the powerful accountable to justice not letting the less powerful do whatever they want. Politicians and bankers should be held accountable to the law and we need to take actions to make that the case. However, RU should be accountable too.
It didn't challenge bankers supremacy. Not in the same universe. And it also had murder for hire.
"On the other hand, Hillary Clinton has indirectly caused millions of deaths in Bosnia, Serbia, Libya.etc and she is running for POTUS now.
If there is justice, then it should be applicable to everyone. You can't say that some people are very special, and the laws are not applicable to them. "
Justice for everyone means making the powerful accountable to justice not letting the less powerful do whatever they want. Politicians and bankers should be held accountable to the law and we need to take actions to make that the case. However, RU should be accountable too.
And how do you propose that happens if the powerful control the entire system?
How do you take away their power over the system and the less powerful and judge them accordingly?
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Wow, this is a very harsh punishment. Looks like they did indeed want to make an example out of him.
True. So don't do illegal shit with bitcoin!!!! It's that simple.They did the same thing to Al Capone, they made sure he died in prison and everyone got to know about it as an example. They had to do it because for a while it seemed like they couldn't arrest him and his activities were generating worldwide publicity.
Ross was probably even more of an annoyance to them because he was anonymous and seemed untouchable. It was inevitable they would make an example out of him.
It depends on the prison. If you don't work in some prisons you get written up. A few write ups you may be reclassified and wished you worked. They may be forced into lock down if they refuse work. There are prisons where they do not have to work. In some prisons you can be sent to solitary confinement for not working. This is not fun camp, this is prison.
Is it? Because the US prison system looks more like a profit driven rape-gulag to me. This is prison.“Better out than in” is an unofficial motto of the Norwegian Correctional Service, which makes a reintegration guarantee to all released inmates. It works with other government agencies to secure a home, a job and access to a supportive social network for each inmate before release; Norway’s social safety net also provides health care, education and a pension to all citizens. (...) Spending on the Halden prison runs to more than $93,000 per inmate per year, compared with just $31,000 for prisoners in the United States (...)"
Halden is what you get from a society that values life and minimizing suffering more than profit margins.
If someone shot you and your family and you survived I don't think you'd accept any amount of "yeah but the governments way worse" argumentation.
Strawman argument. Ross didn't kill anyone, he has not been convicted of killing anyone, he has not been convicted of hiring people to kill anyone. He is innocent of these crimes until proven guilty in a court of law. 
How long is life in the States? Literally life?
Everyone keeps saying Ross got 'life'. But he actually got far more than that. He got life, without possibility of parole. Which is FAR more severe. Life - means you could one day get out. Life without parole - means it is 100% over. He will never see the light of day again. For sure.
It isn''t 100 percent over is it? There is always appeals court.
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"Ross got life in prison, without parole for running a website which challenged the bankers' supremacy."
It didn't challenge bankers supremacy. Not in the same universe. And it also had murder for hire.
"On the other hand, Hillary Clinton has indirectly caused millions of deaths in Bosnia, Serbia, Libya.etc and she is running for POTUS now.
If there is justice, then it should be applicable to everyone. You can't say that some people are very special, and the laws are not applicable to them. "
Justice for everyone means making the powerful accountable to justice not letting the less powerful do whatever they want. Politicians and bankers should be held accountable to the law and we need to take actions to make that the case. However, RU should be accountable too.
It didn't challenge bankers supremacy. Not in the same universe. And it also had murder for hire.
"On the other hand, Hillary Clinton has indirectly caused millions of deaths in Bosnia, Serbia, Libya.etc and she is running for POTUS now.
If there is justice, then it should be applicable to everyone. You can't say that some people are very special, and the laws are not applicable to them. "
Justice for everyone means making the powerful accountable to justice not letting the less powerful do whatever they want. Politicians and bankers should be held accountable to the law and we need to take actions to make that the case. However, RU should be accountable too.
it's possible Hillary Clinton is an even more repulsive parasitical elite than Obama.
an unbelievable verdict .. even the prosecution did not ask for life. Just absurd..
"Ross got life in prison, without parole for running a website which challenged the bankers' supremacy."
It didn't challenge bankers supremacy. Not in the same universe. And it also had murder for hire.
"On the other hand, Hillary Clinton has indirectly caused millions of deaths in Bosnia, Serbia, Libya.etc and she is running for POTUS now.
If there is justice, then it should be applicable to everyone. You can't say that some people are very special, and the laws are not applicable to them. "
Justice for everyone means making the powerful accountable to justice not letting the less powerful do whatever they want. Politicians and bankers should be held accountable to the law and we need to take actions to make that the case. However, RU should be accountable too.
It didn't challenge bankers supremacy. Not in the same universe. And it also had murder for hire.
"On the other hand, Hillary Clinton has indirectly caused millions of deaths in Bosnia, Serbia, Libya.etc and she is running for POTUS now.
If there is justice, then it should be applicable to everyone. You can't say that some people are very special, and the laws are not applicable to them. "
Justice for everyone means making the powerful accountable to justice not letting the less powerful do whatever they want. Politicians and bankers should be held accountable to the law and we need to take actions to make that the case. However, RU should be accountable too.
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