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legendary
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Even if he did commit all those horrible crimes people say he did he should at least get the chance of parole.
Otherwise what's the point of the criminal justice system? Isn't it called correctional facility and not storage facility?
You mistake the purpose of this life sentence. It's not to punish Ross Ulbricht, it's to intimidate all the other potential Ross Ulbrichts out there.

And it's not going to work, because the Silk Road was very useful and therefore very profitable. In capitalism profit finds a way to be made, just as water always finds a way downhill.

gasp*. did Beliathon just say something positive sounding about capitalism?
legendary
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You mistake the purpose of this life sentence. It's not to punish Ross Ulbricht, it's to intimidate all the other potential Ross Ulbrichts out there.

And it's not going to work, because the Silk Road was very useful and therefore very profitable. In capitalism profit finds a way to be made, just as water always finds a way downhill.

The TOR is not anonymous anymore. A large number of the TOR relays are controlled by the CIA, which helps them to identify the darknet users. So, until a new anonymization method is found, not many are going to follow Ross's lead. That means that the authorities have achieved a temporary success. But eventually, a new method will be found and the CIA / FBI won't be able to do anything about it. And then, people like Ross Ulbricht and Blake Benthall will be revered as heroes, who stood up against the system.
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Even if he did commit all those horrible crimes people say he did he should at least get the chance of parole.
Otherwise what's the point of the criminal justice system? Isn't it called correctional facility and not storage facility?
You mistake the purpose of this life sentence. It's not to punish Ross Ulbricht, it's to intimidate all the other potential Ross Ulbrichts out there.

And it's not going to work, because the Silk Road was very useful and therefore very profitable. In capitalism profit finds a way to be made, just as water always finds a way downhill.
legendary
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Actually, the guy tried to have people killed and children died buying drugs from his website.

The government often oversteps its bounds, but in this case I think the punishment fits the crime.

Ross Ulbricht forced no one to do anything, and you're classic example of sheeple. Actually, his site brang nothing but quality in free market.

Silk Road actually "expanded" drug availability by making dangerous substances available to anyone with a computer and some bitcoins.

It was this "anything goes" policy that made the website a nuisance to society. Silk Road should have stuck to natural plant medicines.
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In the end he knew about the strict drug laws in the US and he still broke it. It doesn't matter how musch people think this is unfair. You don't even need to know the law of your country to still be responsible when breaking it. If you spend your holidays in a country, where you get jail for "public kissing", it doesn't help saying you didn't know. Ross is an intelligent guy. He can't tell the people, that this was an "economic experiment", when in fact he was simply earning commission from illegal goods, just like Pablo Escobar  and all the other leaders of drug empires. Even worse, he didn't organise his business eye to eye, but everything with the anonimity of the internet. Simply write some lines and somebody gets killed! It's as easy as that. No more meetings with shady killers and handing over big money in a paperbag. He might have been a nice guy once, but based on the presented evidence it looks like he has changed a lot into a mercyless drug lord.
I think RU had no criminal records prior to silk road? All experienced criminals have a long history of arrests..
RU was running illegal activities alone, he was not  part of an organized crime. That is the reason why he could use only bitcoin and darknet. Being alone he didn't have connections with US banks involved in money laundering, corrupted politicals,  hitmen, ... like the mob has to run their businesses without too much problems.
I am not saying RU is an angel, far from that, I think he deserved 5 years in prison, like a second chance. Life in prison without parole is like death penalty.

legendary
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!!! RiSe aBovE ThE StoRm !!!
Finally, the wrong deeds were given the right punishment as such a guy who ruined lives of people selling drugs, has his own life ruined forever now...
AGD
legendary
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Keeper of the Private Key
In the end he knew about the strict drug laws in the US and he still broke it. It doesn't matter how musch people think this is unfair. You don't even need to know the law of your country to still be responsible when breaking it. If you spend your holidays in a country, where you get jail for "public kissing", it doesn't help saying you didn't know. Ross is an intelligent guy. He can't tell the people, that this was an "economic experiment", when in fact he was simply earning commission from illegal goods, just like Pablo Escobar  and all the other leaders of drug empires. Even worse, he didn't organise his business eye to eye, but everything with the anonimity of the internet. Simply write some lines and somebody gets killed! It's as easy as that. No more meetings with shady killers and handing over big money in a paperbag. He might have been a nice guy once, but based on the presented evidence it looks like he has changed a lot into a mercyless drug lord.

You have some decent points and some not so decent imo.

I know for sure i wont be spending my life supporting/keeping track of the BS laws the centralized govs make up.  If we all follow the laws to the letter and never push boundaries things would get even worse for the average man in society.  The more controlled we are the better it is for elites so the goal posts just shift inward if we all good boys and girls.   Its not really about morality & it should be.

I'm not sure they used any charges of hire murders vs Ross in the case so we dont know anything conclusive there do we?

A just system wouldn't be putting him in a maximum security prison for life.  What a waste of tax money and waste of an intelligent forward thinking human.  Give him community service im sure we could use his insight.

I think you can argue it was an economic experiment as it was the first of its kind, but that doesn't mean it wasn't highly illegal. Maybe SR and the markets that follow will pave the way for drug reform or a change in the laws or at least decentralized markets which LE will have a very tricky time trying to police given their nature. I think Ross was silly to have been a resident in the states whilst running it. He seemed to travel a lot so he should have just holed up in some far away country and operated it from there  and they would have had a very difficult time trying to arrest him then.

I agree with the unjustice in most, if not all drug laws, but that is another level of discussion. There is already a ongoing political debate in Europe about the cannabis laws for example, which might lead to the legality of cannabis in a few years. Since there are no deaths resulting from the use of cannabis in its history, there IS a basis for a rational discussion. Now selling things like Heroin (created by the Bayer company in Germany as far as I know), is a completely different story to me. People are dying from this crap and guys, that are selling it or making it easy for everyone to buy it, are not acting for the "freedom of society", but for their own profit with the risk of his "product" causing the death to someone. This person is indeed a danger to society and should be locked up.

I still hope to be proven wrong, though - maybe because the logfiles were altered or something like that, or he was really "tricked back in", like he stated in court.
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Everyone knows what he did was wrong in the eyes of the law and he profited substantially from it without paying taxes on earnings, but you can argue that selling drugs and also taxes are not immoral or you shouldn't have to pay them any way, but I could have respected him and what he created had he not tried to have people murdered as they made me lose all respect for him. Sadly I think the position he was in as the anonymous and mysterious DPR corrupted his vision and beliefs and he got lost in a world that he was never really cut out for or should have been a part of.
legendary
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In the end he knew about the strict drug laws in the US and he still broke it. It doesn't matter how musch people think this is unfair. You don't even need to know the law of your country to still be responsible when breaking it. If you spend your holidays in a country, where you get jail for "public kissing", it doesn't help saying you didn't know. Ross is an intelligent guy. He can't tell the people, that this was an "economic experiment", when in fact he was simply earning commission from illegal goods, just like Pablo Escobar  and all the other leaders of drug empires. Even worse, he didn't organise his business eye to eye, but everything with the anonimity of the internet. Simply write some lines and somebody gets killed! It's as easy as that. No more meetings with shady killers and handing over big money in a paperbag. He might have been a nice guy once, but based on the presented evidence it looks like he has changed a lot into a mercyless drug lord.

I think you can argue it was an economic experiment as it was the first of its kind, but that doesn't mean it wasn't highly illegal. Maybe SR and the markets that follow will pave the way for drug reform or a change in the laws or at least decentralized markets which LE will have a very tricky time trying to police given their nature. I think Ross was silly to have been a resident in the states whilst running it. He seemed to travel a lot so he should have just holed up in some far away country and operated it from there  and they would have had a very difficult time trying to arrest him then.

We need philosophers consulted to make judgements of his fate, its a very tricky situation for society to make sense of.  Laws should be in place to protect morality only.
sr. member
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In the end he knew about the strict drug laws in the US and he still broke it. It doesn't matter how musch people think this is unfair. You don't even need to know the law of your country to still be responsible when breaking it. If you spend your holidays in a country, where you get jail for "public kissing", it doesn't help saying you didn't know. Ross is an intelligent guy. He can't tell the people, that this was an "economic experiment", when in fact he was simply earning commission from illegal goods, just like Pablo Escobar  and all the other leaders of drug empires. Even worse, he didn't organise his business eye to eye, but everything with the anonimity of the internet. Simply write some lines and somebody gets killed! It's as easy as that. No more meetings with shady killers and handing over big money in a paperbag. He might have been a nice guy once, but based on the presented evidence it looks like he has changed a lot into a mercyless drug lord.

I think you can argue it was an economic experiment as it was the first of its kind, but that doesn't mean it wasn't highly illegal. Maybe SR and the markets that follow will pave the way for drug reform or a change in the laws or at least decentralized markets which LE will have a very tricky time trying to police given their nature. I think Ross was silly to have been a resident in the states whilst running it. He seemed to travel a lot so he should have just holed up in some far away country and operated it from there  and they would have had a very difficult time trying to arrest him then.
legendary
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In the end he knew about the strict drug laws in the US and he still broke it. It doesn't matter how musch people think this is unfair. You don't even need to know the law of your country to still be responsible when breaking it. If you spend your holidays in a country, where you get jail for "public kissing", it doesn't help saying you didn't know. Ross is an intelligent guy. He can't tell the people, that this was an "economic experiment", when in fact he was simply earning commission from illegal goods, just like Pablo Escobar  and all the other leaders of drug empires. Even worse, he didn't organise his business eye to eye, but everything with the anonimity of the internet. Simply write some lines and somebody gets killed! It's as easy as that. No more meetings with shady killers and handing over big money in a paperbag. He might have been a nice guy once, but based on the presented evidence it looks like he has changed a lot into a mercyless drug lord.

You have some decent points and some not so decent imo.

I know for sure i wont be spending my life supporting/keeping track of the BS laws the centralized govs make up.  If we all follow the laws to the letter and never push boundaries things would get even worse for the average man in society.  The more controlled we are the better it is for elites so the goal posts just shift inward if we all good boys and girls.   Its not really about morality & it should be.

I'm not sure they used any charges of hire murders vs Ross in the case so we dont know anything conclusive there do we?

A just system wouldn't be putting him in a maximum security prison for life.  What a waste of tax money and waste of an intelligent forward thinking human.  Give him community service im sure we could use his insight.
AGD
legendary
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Keeper of the Private Key
In the end he knew about the strict drug laws in the US and he still broke it. It doesn't matter how musch people think this is unfair. You don't even need to know the law of your country to still be responsible when breaking it. If you spend your holidays in a country, where you get jail for "public kissing", it doesn't help saying you didn't know. Ross is an intelligent guy. He can't tell the people, that this was an "economic experiment", when in fact he was simply earning commission from illegal goods, just like Pablo Escobar  and all the other leaders of drug empires. Even worse, he didn't organise his business eye to eye, but everything with the anonimity of the internet. Simply write some lines and somebody gets killed! It's as easy as that. No more meetings with shady killers and handing over big money in a paperbag. He might have been a nice guy once, but based on the presented evidence it looks like he has changed a lot into a mercyless drug lord.
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Even if he did commit all those horrible crimes people say he did he should at least get the chance of parole.
Otherwise what's the point of the criminal justice system? Isn't it called correctional facility and not storage facility?

If he never gets a chance to get out of there is no need to "correct" him.

It's hard to say what punishment he deserves if it's really true that he tried to murder 6 people.
But he should at least be given the chance to explain himself to a parole board.
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This has been bothering me all day, this case just shows the lengths the US gov will go to keep all us sheeps in line. They don't care about the drugs, that's just an excuse. What they are threatened by is the lack of control they had over Silk road. They couldn't make a buck out of it.

Actually, the guy tried to have people killed and children died buying drugs from his website.

The government often oversteps its bounds, but in this case I think the punishment fits the crime.

Do you know how many people die from prescription drugs? People who want drugs are going to get drugs. The punishment did not fit the crime. There were many people who have done far worse and barely served any jail time. Look at the cash for kids scandal. If anything these judges should have got life. Should have stacked everything and ran it consecutively.
legendary
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We live in an anarchy of the bankers/rentseekers/those with/big government
What we have is called a neo-fascist polyglot oligarchy, not anarchy (without rulers).

by anarchy  I mean they get to live and do as they want without rules we do not....excepting for BTC tech which is probably the first thing beyond their control.

By BTC tech i mean BTC and the 1000+ more coins ready and waiting to take over even if you did take out BTC
legendary
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If he did 20 years, this will amount to roughly $1 000 000 to keep him locked up. {So the taxpayer suffer a second time}

Prison industry is actually quite a large-scale business in the United States. In the rural US (especially in the Southern states such as Texas and Louisiana), entire communities sometimes depend upon the prison business. And this might be one of the reasons why the prison population in the US (at around 2,500,000 inmates) is the largest in the world.
legendary
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Conspiracy to commit murder? He can be glad it was not the death penalty.  Huh

Most of the people in my country only serve about 50% of any sentence ....Even lifer's do only 50% and then they go out.

The thing is... and my figures might be old.. It costs about +/- $115 per inmate per day for the tax payer to keep him locked up.

If he did 20 years, this will amount to roughly $1 000 000 to keep him locked up. {So the taxpayer suffer a second time}

Source :  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States

 *Data old, and future increase not taken into consideration....
legendary
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Actually, the guy tried to have people killed and children died buying drugs from his website.

Do you have any solid evidence to prove that he attempted to kill people, other than the pathetic arguments framed up by the cops? This can happen to anyone. Just remember that even you yourself are not safe. Ross Ullbricht was targeted, just because he dared to oppose the big three (drug cartels, pharma cartels, and banking cartels).
legendary
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Actually, the guy tried to have people killed and children died buying drugs from his website.

The government often oversteps its bounds, but in this case I think the punishment fits the crime.

Ross Ulbricht forced no one to do anything, and you're classic example of sheeple. Actually, his site brang nothing but quality in free market.
legendary
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This has been bothering me all day, this case just shows the lengths the US gov will go to keep all us sheeps in line. They don't care about the drugs, that's just an excuse. What they are threatened by is the lack of control they had over Silk road. They couldn't make a buck out of it.

Actually, the guy tried to have people killed and children died buying drugs from his website.

The government often oversteps its bounds, but in this case I think the punishment fits the crime.

If you go to the store, buy a knife and stab yourself to death, is that the stores fault ?    Just wondering, how your logic works..
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