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Quote from: BitcoinHunt3r on August 23, 2023, 10:29:00 PM

Yeah this game is high risk we would not be surprised if in 10-20 buy spins without ROI because I have experienced it many times but somehow I still have the confidence to keep trying it the following week Cheesy

have you watched Replay? if I have more free spins sure it will reach maxwin because the total in-game multiplier is x366 meaning that each win will be multiplied by x366 unfortunately I only have 7 free spins.

Yes, I have seen it. It was the last free spins that decided everything. If only you had 1 extra spin maybe you would get maxwin from the 366 multiplier. That's gorgeous guys, I've never gotten anything like it in this slot.

Quote from: BitcoinHunt3r on August 23, 2023, 10:29:00 PM

Mahjong Way 3 is not yet available on stake.com maybe it will be released next week I don't have any experience in this game yet but I can imagine how difficult this game is because it offers multipliers up to x100,000 we can compare it with Muertos slots game which only offers multipliers up to x10,000 obviously the risk is 10x higher lol, I'll try to play it once it becomes available as new games are usually friendlier.

Yes you should try, who knows you are lucky. In the mahjong ways slot it's easy to get freespins, sometimes I get it many times but the results are not good. I once was desperate to bet IDR 20k and get freespins, it was great to be able to get a freespins bonus on a bet that big, but the result? I only made 400k on that big bet, so bad

Quote from: tusandii on August 23, 2023, 10:58:45 PM

~snip~

Congrats buddy,
It was a pretty win

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Slots are games that sometimes provide an advantage when we have lost quite a lot.
In the past few days I lost some money in two types of slot games and last night I tried again to play there but when I just tried two game I got a number of wins to return the losses I got a few days ago.
I did 200 spins on Starlight Christmas and managed to get a free spin then moved on to the new Gates Of Olympus about 50 spins back to get free spins, both of which gave a number of wins that were quite pleasant even though the numbers weren't too big.

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Quote from: komisariatku on August 23, 2023, 09:22:39 PM

Congratulations on your big win. I didn't have a good experience in Muertos slots, he always gave me bad results and sucked my money very fast.

I think I'm the only one getting bad results in pragmatics. I played 3 weeks ago on pragmatic and it was bad. None of the slots give any profit, buying freespins is always bad, to get 2x the amount of buying freespins is very difficult.

Does anyone like to play mahjong ways slots? I see there are mahjong way 3+ slots that offer win up to 100,000x bet. I tried to play there but it's very hard to get a big win from freespin

Yeah this game is high risk we would not be surprised if in 10-20 buy spins without ROI because I have experienced it many times but somehow I still have the confidence to keep trying it the following week Cheesy

have you watched Replay? if I have more free spins sure it will reach maxwin because the total in-game multiplier is x366 meaning that each win will be multiplied by x366 unfortunately I only have 7 free spins.

Mahjong Way 3 is not yet available on stake.com maybe it will be released next week I don't have any experience in this game yet but I can imagine how difficult this game is because it offers multipliers up to x100,000 we can compare it with Muertos slots game which only offers multipliers up to x10,000 obviously the risk is 10x higher lol, I'll try to play it once it becomes available as new games are usually friendlier.

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Quote from: BitcoinHunt3r on August 23, 2023, 01:38:13 PM

By the way in the last 2 weeks the Muertos Multiplier Megaways game sucked my balance for some reason this game is very annoying, especially the free spins that appear most often are 5-6 free spins lol, but a few hours ago I managed to get it back total multiplier x2750 Here if you want to watch. If you want to test your guts try playing this game but don't be surprised if the balance runs out quickly.

Congratulations on your big win. I didn't have a good experience in Muertos slots, he always gave me bad results and sucked my money very fast.

I think I'm the only one getting bad results in pragmatics. I played 3 weeks ago on pragmatic and it was bad. None of the slots give any profit, buying freespins is always bad, to get 2x the amount of buying freespins is very difficult.

Does anyone like to play mahjong ways slots? I see there are mahjong way 3+ slots that offer win up to 100,000x bet. I tried to play there but it's very hard to get a big win from freespin

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Quote from: mu_enrico on August 22, 2023, 07:47:41 AM

Not really, 10,000x+ games usually have higher RTP in the past, for example, White Rabbit from BTG, or Swords and Grail from PnG (Swogerino's favorite game lol).

Oh yeah, I only paid attention RTP on Pragmatic games and 90% of my games on this provider, but thanks for the info.

By the way in the last 2 weeks the Muertos Multiplier Megaways game sucked my balance for some reason this game is very annoying, especially the free spins that appear most often are 5-6 free spins lol, but a few hours ago I managed to get it back total multiplier x2750 Here if you want to watch. If you want to test your guts try playing this game but don't be surprised if the balance runs out quickly.

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Quote from: nullama on August 22, 2023, 09:40:38 PM

When I read "a good room" I realized this is a person that believes in superstitions, so it's clear that they will end up losing all their money if they keep doing this.

There are many people that believe in superstition but ignore the math and probabilities behind gambling.

I don't know, I hear a "good room" very often among users of those games. And they use it as a way for them to win, with all the accounts they have. The reality is clear, they can't win through such means, but they still stick to that pattern. Many of my friends choose to play slot games on Android. When I asked them if they had ever played on gambling websites, some of them answered that they had never done so. According to some of them, slot games on phones aren't gambling. But I think, it's the same; they spend money to get jackpot chips. A reason that doesn't make sense to me to say its not a gambling.

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Quote from: Bitinity on August 23, 2023, 03:25:28 AM

Replay to watch https://replay.pragmaticplay.net/kbNxabVHUE, but dont waste your time to watch because this round has 70 free spins Grin

. 70 rounds but it failed to reach the 3rd level, -1 hammer with so many free spins remaining. The one that make it a bit big is because there was a win win 100x multiplier but almost 80% of the 70 free spins were dead spins.

Congratulations to you. I watched your video and was amazed to see the 70 free spins you got. And getting that many free spins clearly requires high luck that comes at the right time. Moreover, your total winnings are almost equal to $ 58.66.

I'm itching to try playing the slot game, but I don't know. Perhaps later, I'll try it.

And you are lucky to get the 100x multiplier that can give you that big win.

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Quote from: Bitinity on August 21, 2023, 03:12:25 AM

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today I started trying to use a minimum bet of IDR 200 in this game and the results are the same as you without luck even my biggest multiplier is only 526x by buying IDR 100k bonus spins at level 4.

I think Forget OF Olympus often gives a scatter of more than 4 and you are right when you say this game is better than Wisdom Of Athena but unfortunately the Wilds of Olympus are not collected like Gates of Oylmpus just try every Wild that comes out to be collected for sure more profitable.
maybe later tonight I'll trying again hoping tonight is mine.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on August 21, 2023, 11:31:50 AM

Quote from: Bitinity on August 21, 2023, 03:12:25 AM

Have you tried Forge of Olympus?

Good game, I thought it was another Gates/Starlight rehash, but they offer level-up and the multipliers don't stack on the new rounds.
This is a game that kinda feels medium volatility, with longer gameplay on the bonus round.

I thought the same when I read the name, I thought it is just another redesigned game of Gate of Olympus but we were wrong. Here is my best after so many tries:

Replay to watch https://replay.pragmaticplay.net/kbNxabVHUE, but dont waste your time to watch because this round has 70 free spins Grin

. 70 rounds but it failed to reach the 3rd level, -1 hammer with so many free spins remaining. The one that make it a bit big is because there was a win win 100x multiplier but almost 80% of the 70 free spins were dead spins.

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Quote from: masulum on August 22, 2023, 11:41:32 AM

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What I mean "many accounts" is "multiple accounts", I chose the wrong word. Cheesy

I don't know whether this can be proven or not, I just know if he always focused on playing on his cellphone with a lot of account, of course hoping to win even from one of his account. To chasing this, he often forgets to sleep at night, in order to get a good room (I think this is a myth among users). But, it can't be helped, that his habit, I can only listen to him. Because giving him advice is not working anymore. Cheesy

When I read "a good room" I realized this is a person that believes in superstitions, so it's clear that they will end up losing all their money if they keep doing this.

There are many people that believe in superstition but ignore the math and probabilities behind gambling.

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Quote from: Betwrong on August 22, 2023, 03:56:25 AM

Your friend is a typical gambling addict and his belief that "each account has a different results" only confirms that. Gambling addicts have a lot of crazy theories, and it's just one of them. But from your post I cant grasp where's he playing slots, because if it's land-based casinos, what does "many accounts" mean then?

What I mean "many accounts" is "multiple accounts", I chose the wrong word. Cheesy

I don't know whether this can be proven or not, I just know if he always focused on playing on his cellphone with a lot of account, of course hoping to win even from one of his account. To chasing this, he often forgets to sleep at night, in order to get a good room (I think this is a myth among users). But, it can't be helped, that his habit, I can only listen to him. Because giving him advice is not working anymore. Cheesy

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Quote from: Betwrong on August 22, 2023, 03:56:25 AM

Quote from: tusandii on August 15, 2023, 10:59:27 PM

Quote from: Betwrong on August 15, 2023, 03:14:33 AM

~ All of us are "chasing winning" when playing slots. And that's normal. We all want to win. What we shouldn't do is chasing our losses. That's when problems start to appear: when you want to win back what you recently lost. Of course, I was doing this same mistake, and not once, in the past, but the key to know for sure that it's a mistake and try to avoid it.

Isn't chasing victory and also chasing defeat the same thing but has a different meaning?
Both of these actions carry the risk of losing overall money because by chasing victory a gambler will be more optimistic and ignore the risks that make him continue to gamble until the goal of winning is achieved, sometimes when a win has been obtained there is still a greater desire to win again it's the same as when you're chasing losses that you get.
~

Chasing victory and chasing defeat ain't the same thing. When you are chasing victory you can stop any time, while when you are chasing your losses you don't want stop until you recover. But it may never happen so you are losing more and more until you lose everything. That's why chasing your losses is advised against by many on this forum.

Try to understand well I will repeat again.
In fact, both of them have the same meaning, namely chasing to get more money, it's just that the difference is that when chasing a loss, you may not get a profit, but some money as a replacement or refund for the previous money that has been lost, chasing a win you can get a number of benefits because the winnings can be greater than the money at stake.
However, both of them have a large bankruptcy risk, therefore it is not recommended to do either of these things.

After all, why chase defeat or chase victory, whereas in gambling, especially slot games, it is very much influenced by luck if you can win.
Will it chase luck? certainly not because everyone can't bring good luck and luck comes suddenly without anyone noticing it.

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Quote from: BitcoinHunt3r on August 21, 2023, 01:31:56 PM

I don't know much about RTP but generally RTP is related to the max multiplier for example a new game with x10000 - x15000 multiplier then the RTP will be lower

Not really, 10,000x+ games usually have higher RTP in the past, for example, White Rabbit from BTG, or Swords and Grail from PnG (Swogerino's favorite game lol).

Quote from: BitcoinHunt3r on August 21, 2023, 01:31:56 PM

if there is a new game with max multiplier x5000 but low RTP (96.25) usually this game offers level features like in this game we can buy several levels to increase the multiplier. In the screenshot below there is a little explanation how RTP works in this game so 96.25% is not a fixed RTP, please correct me if I'm wrong because I also want to know more.

Yeah, this game has multiple RTPs, it has more options than the older common Pragmatic slots which are only ante bet (double chance feature) spin and bonus buy. So it would be best to play 200x bonus buy since it has the highest RTP.

If we only do normal spin, it's fixed to 96.25%... What kind of bonus round we get in the normal spin doesn't matter. The RTP varies only for ante bets and bonus buys.

Quote from: Betwrong on August 22, 2023, 03:56:25 AM

But aren't deviations by fractions of percent irrelevant to us gamblers? How many times we have to play a particular to feel the difference? I think it's many millions, but do you think you can feel it right away?

In my previous poll (Enhanced RTP Slots, Your Experience (with Poll))
People can't feel the difference even with a 1.5% RTP margin. So 0.25% RTP margin won't have any effect on our playing experience... BUT if you look at percentages differently, let's say you have two options, (1) to do surgery with a 99.75% success rate, with 0.25% of failure (or death), or (2) to do surgery with a 100% success rate. I bet you will choose option (2) Grin

People also say that winning a lottery only has a 1/292 million chance, but if you win, it's 100% for you...

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Quote from: masulum on August 15, 2023, 09:53:37 AM

Quote from: Betwrong on August 15, 2023, 03:14:33 AM

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the most important thing is, when we lose, we must realize that winning is not in our side today. I have a friend who is addicted to playing slot games (not gambling sites), he spends a lot of money for this game, he even has many accounts. When I asked what that number of accounts was for, the answer was "each account has a different results". Meanwhile, in my opinion, this is a thought that has 2 perceptions. can be yes or no. because even though it's not a pure gambling application, my friend always chases the winning, spending a lot of money on this game for his several account. Things like this can happen on gambling sites. One thinks that must be remembered, having multiple accounts can't guarantee achieve different results. In fact, there were also many user losers on all of accounts they have.

Your friend is a typical gambling addict and his belief that "each account has a different results" only confirms that. Gambling addicts have a lot of crazy theories, and it's just one of them. But from your post I cant grasp where's he playing slots, because if it's land-based casinos, what does "many accounts" mean then?

Quote from: tusandii on August 15, 2023, 10:59:27 PM

Quote from: Betwrong on August 15, 2023, 03:14:33 AM

~ All of us are "chasing winning" when playing slots. And that's normal. We all want to win. What we shouldn't do is chasing our losses. That's when problems start to appear: when you want to win back what you recently lost. Of course, I was doing this same mistake, and not once, in the past, but the key to know for sure that it's a mistake and try to avoid it.

Isn't chasing victory and also chasing defeat the same thing but has a different meaning?
Both of these actions carry the risk of losing overall money because by chasing victory a gambler will be more optimistic and ignore the risks that make him continue to gamble until the goal of winning is achieved, sometimes when a win has been obtained there is still a greater desire to win again it's the same as when you're chasing losses that you get.
~

Chasing victory and chasing defeat ain't the same thing. When you are chasing victory you can stop any time, while when you are chasing your losses you don't want stop until you recover. But it may never happen so you are losing more and more until you lose everything. That's why chasing your losses is advised against by many on this forum.

Quote from: mu_enrico on August 21, 2023, 11:31:50 AM

Quote from: Bitinity on August 21, 2023, 03:12:25 AM

Have you tried Forge of Olympus?

Good game, I thought it was another Gates/Starlight rehash, but they offer level-up and the multipliers don't stack on the new rounds.
This is a game that kinda feels medium volatility, with longer gameplay on the bonus round.

What I don't like is 96.25% RTP, it deviates from the usual (old) 96.5% RTP of Pragmatic games... The new releases from Pragmatic also have lower RTPs than 96.5%, sad! These providers are getting greedy!

But aren't deviations by fractions of percent irrelevant to us gamblers? How many times we have to play a particular to feel the difference? I think it's many millions, but do you think you can feel it right away?

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Quote from: Bitinity on August 21, 2023, 03:12:25 AM

Have you tried Forge of Olympus? I just tried it with 6 bonus buy @60k IDR each and here are the best results:

https://replay.pragmaticplay.net/1jfrlCC60b
https://replay.pragmaticplay.net/X9XiXBIi7i
https://replay.pragmaticplay.net/tJqjitD4oo
https://replay.pragmaticplay.net/3oZOZ9bZdi

These 4 rounds started with 6 scatters which gave me instant money back from what I spent to buy the bonus and gave me 20 free spins (few with additional 5 free spins). But the final were all bad, not single one gave me 2x return lol. I can say it is even worse than Wisdom of Athena, multiplier rare to come and it is hard to level up for bigger minimum multiplier. Let me know your result if you have tried it.

Of course I tried it last Saturday after claiming my weekly bonus but I just tried it a few times because I got a good multiplier at the start, I haven't even increased my bet yet but got it. You know I always start with the lowest bets on a new game then increase if I lose, I tried with the buy feature on level 2 multiplier offers starting from x8 - x100 and and I get x1300 multiplier. here if you want to watch. Actually this is not a new concept because last year Pragmatic released a game with the same concept Santa's Great Gifts 99% similar only different in theme. Honestly sometimes this game is boring, it's hard to get a multiplier when you play it too much especially if you buy high level.

Quote from: mu_enrico on August 21, 2023, 11:31:50 AM

What I don't like is 96.25% RTP, it deviates from the usual (old) 96.5% RTP of Pragmatic games... The new releases from Pragmatic also have lower RTPs than 96.5%, sad! These providers are getting greedy!

I don't know much about RTP but generally RTP is related to the max multiplier for example a new game with x10000 - x15000 multiplier then the RTP will be lower, if there is a new game with max multiplier x5000 but low RTP (96.25) usually this game offers level features like in this game we can buy several levels to increase the multiplier. In the screenshot below there is a little explanation how RTP works in this game so 96.25% is not a fixed RTP, please correct me if I'm wrong because I also want to know more.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on August 21, 2023, 11:31:50 AM

Quote from: Bitinity on August 21, 2023, 03:12:25 AM

Have you tried Forge of Olympus?

Good game, I thought it was another Gates/Starlight rehash, but they offer level-up and the multipliers don't stack on the new rounds.
This is a game that kinda feels medium volatility, with longer gameplay on the bonus round.

What I don't like is 96.25% RTP, it deviates from the usual (old) 96.5% RTP of Pragmatic games... The new releases from Pragmatic also have lower RTPs than 96.5%, sad! These providers are getting greedy!

Yeah, that is what also feel like watching streams playing pragmatic games. They also have a wager bonus-themed slots where I see a streamer loses 7x in a row wagering for the number of spins. It is an instant rekt for that streamer. And watching those types of streams makes me avoid games from Pragmatic play. Aside from that I also watched a series of bonus buys from Pragmatic resulting in 5x up to 50x base bet results.

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Quote from: Bitinity on August 21, 2023, 03:12:25 AM

Have you tried Forge of Olympus?

Good game, I thought it was another Gates/Starlight rehash, but they offer level-up and the multipliers don't stack on the new rounds.
This is a game that kinda feels medium volatility, with longer gameplay on the bonus round.

What I don't like is 96.25% RTP, it deviates from the usual (old) 96.5% RTP of Pragmatic games... The new releases from Pragmatic also have lower RTPs than 96.5%, sad! These providers are getting greedy!

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Quote from: Bitinity on August 11, 2023, 02:48:38 AM

I have stopped trying Wisdom of Athena, I tried it many times too but no luck for me to hit nice multiplier. It proofs that even if the game has 5,000x max win and has the same RTP as others but the chance to hit max win is lower. My best multiplier in Wisdom of Athena is 700x only from the base bet while my best multiplier in Starlight Princess 1000 is less than 600x.

Exactly as I said this game is more difficult than gates of olympus, it looks easier because the multiplier will be accumulated but the reality is not as easy as we imagine. By the way, have you compared regular spins vs buy spins? I tried it several times and regular spin is more profitable for me even I tried it in 2 different casinos the result is almost the same, but when I use the buy feature you know it's a losing streak Cheesy

I don't know if it was just an unlucky day.

My highest multiplier is 1008x I got it after dozens of buy spins with low ROI overall not enough to cover my losses, I'm not interested in trying this game again maybe a good idea to add this game to the blacklist lol.

Have you tried Forge of Olympus? I just tried it with 6 bonus buy @60k IDR each and here are the best results:

https://replay.pragmaticplay.net/1jfrlCC60b
https://replay.pragmaticplay.net/X9XiXBIi7i
https://replay.pragmaticplay.net/tJqjitD4oo
https://replay.pragmaticplay.net/3oZOZ9bZdi

These 4 rounds started with 6 scatters which gave me instant money back from what I spent to buy the bonus and gave me 20 free spins (few with additional 5 free spins). But the final were all bad, not single one gave me 2x return lol. I can say it is even worse than Wisdom of Athena, multiplier rare to come and it is hard to level up for bigger minimum multiplier. Let me know your result if you have tried it.

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Quote from: Betwrong on August 15, 2023, 03:14:33 AM

Quote from: ryzaadit on August 09, 2023, 04:11:57 AM

Quote from: Betwrong on August 08, 2023, 03:58:54 AM

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That's what should be.

However, for the majority of people (even my self, not really want to be a hypocrite) 90% even me are chasing winning ~XD. I played slot at the time on winning situaton (at least my balance up more than 50%), as you know slot is a gambling game are really drain our money.

Maybe other people can combine playing other game, not just slot (to maintennace the loss from slot are not really high at all).

All of us are "chasing winning" when playing slots. And that's normal. We all want to win. What we shouldn't do is chasing our losses. That's when problems start to appear: when you want to win back what you recently lost. Of course, I was doing this same mistake, and not once, in the past, but the key to know for sure that it's a mistake and try to avoid it.

Isn't chasing victory and also chasing defeat the same thing but has a different meaning?
Both of these actions carry the risk of losing overall money because by chasing victory a gambler will be more optimistic and ignore the risks that make him continue to gamble until the goal of winning is achieved, sometimes when a win has been obtained there is still a greater desire to win again it's the same as when you're chasing losses that you get.
What we need to realize is that slot games are one of the games that can spend money very quickly because each bet is based on one round, just like roulette, so when playing slot games every gambler must be able to have a money limit so that they don't go too deep when losing.
Every mistake there is a lesson that can be taken so as not to repeat it again and not all gamblers can learn from their mistakes but only continue to pursue what has become a goal or desire.

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Quote from: masulum on August 15, 2023, 09:53:37 AM

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the most important thing is, when we lose, we must realize that winning is not in our side today. I have a friend who is addicted to playing slot games (not gambling sites), he spends a lot of money for this game, he even has many accounts. When I asked what that number of accounts was for, the answer was "each account has a different results". Meanwhile, in my opinion, this is a thought that has 2 perceptions. can be yes or no. because even though it's not a pure gambling application, my friend always chases the winning, spending a lot of money on this game for his several account. Things like this can happen on gambling sites. One thinks that must be remembered, having multiple accounts can't guarantee achieve different results. In fact, there were also many user losers on all of accounts they have.

that clearly means he has lost overall in all those accounts, but some have been a bit better than others.

It's human nature to try to keep the losses to ourselves, and boast about the wins. It's typical in gamblers.

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