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Quote from: ryzaadit on July 28, 2023, 07:11:40 AM

I don't understand about max-win percentage you are talking about.

From what aspect do you see that? more people are winning maxwin?. If you use this method, the slot is being played by most people is gonna win (which is the gate of olympus). As you know, these slot are the most played on pragmatic play.

I don't think, there has such things as (max-win percentage) and I believe the chance or code are the same only have different theme

I compared the two slot games Gates of Heaven vs Gates of Olympus, in stake.com we can check who reached maxwin + the date so we can conclude, but the conclusion is not final because Stake.com only detects maxwin with regular spins while the buy feature is not included, it only counts x50. In general I agree it is the same slot game with a different theme however when Stake.com claims a higher RPT it means there will be risks if the information is fake we certainly know the impact, it's just that we don't know how to prove it. By the way thanks @mu_enrico

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I actually created a thread about this 98% RTP slots with a poll a few months ago...
Feel free to join the discussion since your information is valuable to the slots community. With more data, we can draw the conclusion whether we can feel the 2% difference or not.

Here's the link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/enhanced-rtp-slots-your-experience-with-poll-5454516

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Quote from: BitcoinHunt3r on July 27, 2023, 06:00:02 PM

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I don't understand about max-win percentage you are talking about.

From what aspect do you see that? more people are winning maxwin?. If you use this method, the slot is being played by most people is gonna win (which is the gate of olympus). As you know, these slot are the most played on pragmatic play.

I don't think, there has such things as (max-win percentage) and I believe the chance or code are the same only have different theme

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Quote from: ryzaadit on July 27, 2023, 02:30:51 PM

Quote from: BitcoinHunt3r on July 25, 2023, 08:35:29 AM

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Enhanced RTP slot gives you only 2% Edge, don't waste time thinking it's true or not because until now there is no third parties service that can provide (RTP) check. All you need to do, just trust the provider. But I believe you will be thinking like this:
- If won (oh, great these RTP are real)
- If lose (shit, these RTP is a scam).

Lol I understand that situation but I'm not a new gambler who always blames the provider/casino if I lose Cheesy

you are right there is no way to check the RTP but even if the RTP is the same as Gates of Olympus at least we have the advantage of the house edge. I checked maxwin percentage there it doesn't look much different on average every week there are 3 users who succeed in reaching maxwin but this is just a note for players with normal spins while those who use the buy feature are not detected. Is it possible for an independent party to check the RTP?

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Quote from: ryzaadit on July 27, 2023, 02:30:51 PM

Quote from: BitcoinHunt3r on July 25, 2023, 08:35:29 AM

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Enhanced RTP slot gives you only 2% Edge, don't waste time thinking it's true or not because until now there is no third parties service that can provide (RTP) check. All you need to do, just trust the provider. But I believe you will be thinking like this:
- If won (oh, great these RTP are real)
- If lose (shit, these RTP is a scam).

Yeah, I have experienced that this enhanced RTP is almost non-existent. I have played games that have more than the normal RTP and yet ends up losing my bankroll and not even triggering bonus round after hundreds of spins. In slots everything is random. One can win huge amount of money even though its RTP is way below 50%. At the end of the day, chance-based games are dependent on how lucky a gambler is.

Quote from: panjul07 on July 25, 2023, 08:04:31 AM

By the way, I have just hit a close to max win in Gates of Heaven, anyone can watch the replay here https://replay.pragmaticplay.net/wHLqWogZrA
I was so confidence that it would hit max win because of the 500x and 250x wild multiplier, but it was not coming true as it stopped at x4575.
Not a huge win as it was with IDR 1,000 base bet only which gave me a win of IDR 4.5M or around $300.

4575 multiplier is still very huge considering my most multiplier win is just around 1k+. I watched the replay and that was a crazy bonus since 250x dropped on the third spin of the bonus round and if that 500x hits that sure is max win but sadly it missed. But it isn't a small win either imagine hitting a 4.5m IDR from a 100k IDR bonus buy.

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Quote from: BitcoinHunt3r on July 25, 2023, 08:35:29 AM

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Enhanced RTP slot gives you only 2% Edge, don't waste time thinking it's true or not because until now there is no third parties service that can provide (RTP) check. All you need to do, just trust the provider. But I believe you will be thinking like this:
- If won (oh, great these RTP are real)
- If lose (shit, these RTP is a scam).

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Quote from: panjul07 on July 25, 2023, 08:04:31 AM

By the way, I have just hit a close to max win in Gates of Heaven, anyone can watch the replay here https://replay.pragmaticplay.net/wHLqWogZrA
I was so confidence that it would hit max win because of the 500x and 250x wild multiplier, but it was not coming true as it stopped at x4575.
Not a huge win as it was with IDR 1,000 base bet only which gave me a win of IDR 4.5M or around $300.

Finally today is your turn after a few months just watching Cheesy

but yeah, I'm a bit surprised why it doesn't reach maxwin even though it already meets the criteria
I rarely play this game because I think it's no different from Gates of Olympus but after I checked in more detail it turns out there are some differences
For example the house edge of this game is lower only 2% and the RTP is higher up to 98% it's just that we can't test whether the information included is real or not.

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Quote from: Betwrong on July 18, 2023, 05:03:35 AM

Correct me, guys, if I'm wrong here, but I think buying free spins isn't increasing your chance of hitting a jackpot. You have the same odds of hitting it with your regular spins, no?

Depends on what games you are playing because there are some games where it is impossible to hit big multiplier in normal spins such as Sweet Bonanza and its family members.
If you play such game, buying bonus is exactly increase your chance to win big than playing normal spins.
Buying bonus is simply an instant way to enter the bonus round, while playing normal spins may not give you guarantee entering the bonus round although you spend the same amount as the bonus buy cost.

By the way, I have just hit a close to max win in Gates of Heaven, anyone can watch the replay here https://replay.pragmaticplay.net/wHLqWogZrA
I was so confidence that it would hit max win because of the 500x and 250x wild multiplier, but it was not coming true as it stopped at x4575.
Not a huge win as it was with IDR 1,000 base bet only which gave me a win of IDR 4.5M or around $300.

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Quote from: Betwrong on July 25, 2023, 05:55:06 AM

If you think of it, buying free spins is just like making higher bets. Once I won $200 with a $0.20 regular spin on a slot, and if I was betting with $20 at that moment, my profit would be $20k, right? Now, if I'd buy a bonus round for $20 back then and won $20k I would be confident that only buying free spins can provide you with such a win. This is what happens with some gamblers, and they spread the word and other people repeat after them.

I'm a bit confused by your point. Buying a buy bonus does not increase the bet, it only speeds up entering bonus mode, but must pay 100x the base bet. So, we pay that $20 is actually same as $0.2 per spin with 100 spins (without any win). so the matter of winning doesn't change, if from base bet $0.2 the rules if we get maxwin is $200, by buying bonus mode it will still be $200 not change to $20K.

Am I misunderstood what you mean?

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Quote from: masulum on July 11, 2023, 08:35:01 AM

Well, in the end its doesn't matter how many bets I made, my control was really bad at that time. Even though I followed your method, with a bet of $0.2 per spin, my mindset at that time was "free spins = jackpot" LOL. So i think i will run till get the free spins, even I have to take a risk my balance is burned.

Correct me, guys, if I'm wrong here, but I think buying free spins isn't increasing your chance of hitting a jackpot. You have the same odds of hitting it with your regular spins, no?

Sometimes. I feel that sometimes buying free spins provides a chance to hit the jackpot. But it will come back to how good your luck is. I've tried buying free spins on many slot games but not all of them give me satisfactory results and even give me nothing but defeat. But then I decided not to buy the free spins for a while and just go with the regular spins. And sometimes, the results are even better than buying free spins. So buying free spins sometimes pay off well.

If you think of it, buying free spins is just like making higher bets. Once I won $200 with a $0.20 regular spin on a slot, and if I was betting with $20 at that moment, my profit would be $20k, right? Now, if I'd buy a bonus round for $20 back then and won $20k I would be confident that only buying free spins can provide you with such a win. This is what happens with some gamblers, and they spread the word and other people repeat after them.

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Quote from: ryzaadit on July 21, 2023, 10:03:31 AM

First time to see and play "Big-Bamboo" buy future with "Random" selection this week slot play: https://stake.ac/casino/home?page=7&iid=house%3A168893851193&modal=bet. The base bet was 0.5$ more than 500x. I love to see playing these again, but to scared is gonna to cost more money and blow up my money because don't have any experience with "Push-Gaming" experience.

The one with "random" should not be the one with more than 500x from the base bet if I remember it correctly. Afaik the random buy bonus cost 150x from the base bet, if you took the one with more than 500x (608x to be exact), you were actually took the Gold bonus. Actually buying the cheapest one is better imo because if you buy the expensive one for higher starting multiplier, you lose the chance to get additional spins. Anyway, push gaming is better to be played with normal spins imo but if you have decent starting bankroll, buy bonus will help a lot to play with combination between normal spins and buy bonus.

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First time to see and play "Big-Bamboo" buy future with "Random" selection this week slot play: https://stake.ac/casino/home?page=7&iid=house%3A168893851193&modal=bet. The base bet was 0.5$ more than 500x. I love to see playing these again, but to scared is gonna to cost more money and blow up my money because don't have any experience with "Push-Gaming" experience.

I recently want to tried Razor Return, it's 2.0 from Razor ~Slot. More feature bonus system and can get potential 100x multiplier with gambler mode, off course need to be remind (Razor) slot is really a drain slot just like the old one.

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Quote from: Betwrong on July 18, 2023, 05:03:35 AM

So, you did bet $6 at once. I'm glad I got it right.

As of getting only 50% of the purchase price, yeah, I've noticed that too. It happens so often that at some point I've stopped being tempted by that "Bonus Buy". To me it's like an invitation to lose several dollars now.
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Correct me, guys, if I'm wrong here, but I think buying free spins isn't increasing your chance of hitting a jackpot. You have the same odds of hitting it with your regular spins, no?

Yup, I use it for 1x bet on the buy bonus. It happened within a few months of playing slots for the first time. So I thought using normal spins would just waste me a lot of time.

That's right, at that time I always thought buying bonuses could save more money, in fact no, it's true what you said buy bonuses could be worse because we can lose money faster.

The last time I played, I no longer used the buy bonus, (of course sometime still buying it, but not like the first time I started playing slots). My first experience when using normal spins and getting a 250x jackpot in 1 spin made me reduce my habit of using buy bonuses and switch to normal spins.

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Quote from: BitcoinHunt3r on July 18, 2023, 12:00:02 AM

Have you tried the Wild Bison Charge game? this one is also interesting but don't be surprised when you get 0 consecutive wins Cheesy

I tried it, I did even suggest it to roycilik weeks ago but he was not interested to try Grin

The difficulty to win big in this game is similar to Bison Spirit or the older one Buffalo King (non megaways).
I tried this game several times on May but my best result is not even more than 500x

As I think it is not really good game to play after several times try, I decided to leave it and will not play it again Grin

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Quote from: Betwrong on July 18, 2023, 05:03:35 AM

Quote from: masulum on July 11, 2023, 08:35:01 AM

Well, in the end its doesn't matter how many bets I made, my control was really bad at that time. Even though I followed your method, with a bet of $0.2 per spin, my mindset at that time was "free spins = jackpot" LOL. So i think i will run till get the free spins, even I have to take a risk my balance is burned.

Correct me, guys, if I'm wrong here, but I think buying free spins isn't increasing your chance of hitting a jackpot. You have the same odds of hitting it with your regular spins, no?

Sometimes. I feel that sometimes buying free spins provides a chance to hit the jackpot. But it will come back to how good your luck is. I've tried buying free spins on many slot games but not all of them give me satisfactory results and even give me nothing but defeat. But then I decided not to buy the free spins for a while and just go with the regular spins. And sometimes, the results are even better than buying free spins. So buying free spins sometimes pay off well.

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Quote from: masulum on July 11, 2023, 08:35:01 AM

Quote from: Betwrong on July 11, 2023, 06:08:23 AM

Well, you din't buy bonus feature for $0.06 , did you? As far as I know the price of the feature ranges from 50 to 200 times your stake. So, I assume with the base bet of IDR 1000 = $0.06 you paid $6 for using the buy bonus feature. That's a $6 bet, mate, and nothing else. And my advice is to bet $0.20 at once, and never more than $0.40. It is more entertaining to hope for some big luck than making your potential win bigger at the expense of bigger bets.

As I mentioned, back then I didn't betting with normal spins method, so I always used the bonus buy feature on every spin. $6 for one bonus buy, and I do it repeatedly and often only get under 50% of the purchase.

So, you did bet $6 at once. I'm glad I got it right.

As of getting only 50% of the purchase price, yeah, I've noticed that too. It happens so often that at some point I've stopped being tempted by that "Bonus Buy". To me it's like an invitation to lose several dollars now.

Quote from: masulum on July 11, 2023, 08:35:01 AM

Well, in the end its doesn't matter how many bets I made, my control was really bad at that time. Even though I followed your method, with a bet of $0.2 per spin, my mindset at that time was "free spins = jackpot" LOL. So i think i will run till get the free spins, even I have to take a risk my balance is burned.

Correct me, guys, if I'm wrong here, but I think buying free spins isn't increasing your chance of hitting a jackpot. You have the same odds of hitting it with your regular spins, no?

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Quote from: panjul07 on July 16, 2023, 10:04:34 AM

I tried this game several times but still no luck to hit big win and I understand that the most important thing in this game is the multiplier because having many connected high paying symbol will be useless without multiplier coins.
The special thing is that there are some multiplier, they are counted by multiply them.
I mean if we get connected symbols + some connected multipliers lets say 2x, 8x and 10x at the same time then the total multiplier is 2*8*10= 160x

I also still play this game on other sites and my highest multiplier is x1600 it's not as easy as we imagine Grin

you are right the coin multiplier determines our win, if you remember my win last week I got 4 coins connected x10 x8 x10 x10 the total multiplier is x8000 and there are 12 connected symbols with 4k IDR payline so 4k IDR x8000 BOOM Cheesy

important note in this game, to get high multiplier coins usually will appear on 1-5 spins if it's more than 5 fs the multiplier is lower between x2, x3, you x4 just try to pay attention when you play it again.

Have you tried the Wild Bison Charge game? this one is also interesting but don't be surprised when you get 0 consecutive wins Cheesy

indeed as far as I know this game offers a multiplier up to x12000 one of the highest from Pragmatic games so obviously it will be more difficult to get a win
my highest multiplier in this game so far x1200 but after going through dozens of consecutive loss Cheesy

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Quote from: len01 on July 16, 2023, 08:16:05 AM

Quote from: maydna on July 15, 2023, 12:56:29 PM

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remember the wise saying "luck only belongs to someone who dared to take risks" so don't quit trying. Lol just kidding

Hahaha I really remember that term. But I don't dare to take risks that I can't afford.

I play with relaxation with enough money so I don't lose too much. I've experienced it before, so I don't want to experience it again.

But I'm sure with another time we will be luckier than today. There have been many people who have had the luck so they can get the victory.

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Quote from: panjul07 on July 16, 2023, 10:04:34 AM

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I tried this game several times but still no luck to hit big win and I understand that the most important thing in this game is the multiplier because having many connected high paying symbol will be useless without multiplier coins.
The special thing is that there are some multiplier, they are counted by multiply them.
I mean if we get connected symbols + some connected multipliers lets say 2x, 8x and 10x at the same time then the total multiplier is 2*8*10= 160x

Yeah, I guess the best strategy is to bet the maximum when you're going to win Grin

It's impossible to know though, so you could get wiped out very quickly if you bet a lot. On the slim chance that you win though, you would win big.

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Quote from: BitcoinHunt3r on July 14, 2023, 06:11:56 PM

Quote from: panjul07 on July 14, 2023, 10:40:36 AM

Quote from: BitcoinHunt3r on July 13, 2023, 05:51:31 PM

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Yeah I didn't realize it was maxwin because there is no premium symbol I was shocked why my spin stopped and I know it's maxwin after seeing 9,9m IDR Cheesy

I tried this game several times but still no luck to hit big win and I understand that the most important thing in this game is the multiplier because having many connected high paying symbol will be useless without multiplier coins.
The special thing is that there are some multiplier, they are counted by multiply them.
I mean if we get connected symbols + some connected multipliers lets say 2x, 8x and 10x at the same time then the total multiplier is 2*8*10= 160x

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