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Topic: Slots 101: Basics, Strategies, and Discussion (with poll) - page 17. (Read 26556 times)

legendary
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Have you tried Power of Merlin megaways from pragmatic? Honestly I tried this game because of the "Merlin" since I was a fan of Rise of Merlin from Play'n Go. Tried this game with normal spins (200 spins) but hit nothing big, tried buy bonus 4 times and here is the best result:



This game has max win of 40,000x, I'm not sure how much will be my final result if there is a merlin symbol in the first reel on the last spin. It must be huge Smiley, unfortunately the bigger luck was not coming but at least it is a nice win already with more than 3,000x. FYI the buy bonus cost is more expensive than most other pragmatic games because it is 150x of the base bet.
legendary
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I believe not really good, if based like these.

As you know, (Gate of Olympus) most slot is being played from Pragmatic Play, not just by regular users but also streamers and others. That's why, this slot can get more from the statistic rather than (Gate of Heaven).

I understand your point, as a slot game player of course I know the games that are played the most by users around the world from Pragmatic providers are Gates of Olympus and Sweet Bonanza but what I'm comparing isn't which slots are played the most by users but I'm trying to find information on which slot gives maxwin more often between these two slots because this is related to RPT. From the information I got the difference is not too significant in a week at least 3 users reach maxwin on regular spins even though Gates of Olympus should have a bigger chance because it is played more often but actually the chances are almost the same.

@panjul07 Globally, we really don't know but based on the Pragmatic provider, this can be confirmed. As a gambler, maybe you still remember what games you have played from Pragmatic providers in each of your game sessions, myself usually end my game session at the gates of olympus.
hero member
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Correct me, guys, if I'm wrong here, but I think buying free spins isn't increasing your chance of hitting a jackpot. You have the same odds of hitting it with your regular spins, no?

How can you buy something that is free though?.

Is there a buy that you do that then gets you free spins on top of that?

In any case, the probability should be the same, independent of the price of the spin. Otherwise it wouldn't be marked as free, it would be marked as some bonus round or something, which would message that it's something different.

Usually free means you get the same thing you would get by paying.
legendary
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I believe not really good, if based like these.

As you know, (Gate of Olympus) most slot is being played from Pragmatic Play, not just by regular users but also streamers and others. That's why, this slot can get more from the statistic rather than (Gate of Heaven).

Even (Gate of Olympus) is an old slot, this slot still being favorite. If you check on all the platform, which one do you seeing the most by ads/recommended videos on youtube and other? i believe you are more often to see (Gate of Olympus rather than Gate of Heaven) even the slot are new. That's why, that slot get more often recent update max-win rather than gate of heaven.

I'm not quite sure if Gates of Olympus is the most played Pragmatic game, perhaps it is true if we talk about Indonesian but I dont think it is also the same globally as we never know the real statistic unless the provider provide the information publicly .
If we talk about which pragmatic games with more frequent max win, I will say it is Fruit Party (the original version).
My reason is simple because in Stake, there are always max win hit by several players every single day while other games has less max win than Fruit Party.
However it can be different in other sites, but since the only site with such information is Stake so I have no idea about which game with the most max win every single day.
legendary
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I believe not really good, if based like these.

As you know, (Gate of Olympus) most slot is being played from Pragmatic Play, not just by regular users but also streamers and others. That's why, this slot can get more from the statistic rather than (Gate of Heaven).

Even (Gate of Olympus) is an old slot, this slot still being favorite. If you check on all the platform, which one do you seeing the most by ads/recommended videos on youtube and other? i believe you are more often to see (Gate of Olympus rather than Gate of Heaven) even the slot are new. That's why, that slot get more often recent update max-win rather than gate of heaven.
legendary
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I don't understand about max-win percentage you are talking about.

From what aspect do you see that? more people are winning maxwin?. If you use this method, the slot is being played by most people is gonna win (which is the gate of olympus). As you know, these slot are the most played on pragmatic play.

I don't think, there has such things as (max-win percentage) and I believe the chance or code are the same only have different theme

I compared the two slot games Gates of Heaven vs Gates of Olympus, in stake.com we can check who reached maxwin + the date so we can conclude, but the conclusion is not final because Stake.com only detects maxwin with regular spins while the buy feature is not included, it only counts x50. In general I agree it is the same slot game with a different theme however when Stake.com claims a higher RPT it means there will be risks if the information is fake we certainly know the impact, it's just that we don't know how to prove it.  By the way thanks @mu_enrico
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I actually created a thread about this 98% RTP slots with a poll a few months ago...
Feel free to join the discussion since your information is valuable to the slots community. With more data, we can draw the conclusion whether we can feel the 2% difference or not.

Here's the link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/enhanced-rtp-slots-your-experience-with-poll-5454516
legendary
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I don't understand about max-win percentage you are talking about.

From what aspect do you see that? more people are winning maxwin?. If you use this method, the slot is being played by most people is gonna win (which is the gate of olympus). As you know, these slot are the most played on pragmatic play.

I don't think, there has such things as (max-win percentage) and I believe the chance or code are the same only have different theme
legendary
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Enhanced RTP slot gives you only 2% Edge, don't waste time thinking it's true or not because until now there is no third parties service that can provide (RTP) check. All you need to do, just trust the provider. But I believe you will be thinking like this:
- If won (oh, great these RTP are real)
- If lose (shit, these RTP is a scam).

Lol I understand that situation but I'm not a new gambler who always blames the provider/casino if I lose  Cheesy  you are right there is no way to check the RTP but even if the RTP is the same as Gates of Olympus at least we have the advantage of the house edge. I checked maxwin percentage there it doesn't look much different on average every week there are 3 users who succeed in reaching maxwin but this is just a note for players with normal spins while those who use the buy feature are not detected. Is it possible for an independent party to check the RTP?
hero member
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Enhanced RTP slot gives you only 2% Edge, don't waste time thinking it's true or not because until now there is no third parties service that can provide (RTP) check. All you need to do, just trust the provider. But I believe you will be thinking like this:
- If won (oh, great these RTP are real)
- If lose (shit, these RTP is a scam).

Yeah, I have experienced that this enhanced RTP is almost non-existent.  I have played games that have more than the normal RTP and yet ends up losing my bankroll and not even triggering bonus round after hundreds of spins.  In slots everything is random. One can win huge amount of money even though its RTP is way below 50%.  At the end of the day, chance-based games are dependent on how lucky a gambler is.



By the way, I have just hit a close to max win in Gates of Heaven, anyone can watch the replay here https://replay.pragmaticplay.net/wHLqWogZrA
I was so confidence that it would hit max win because of the 500x and 250x wild multiplier, but it was not coming true as it stopped at x4575.
Not a huge win as it was with IDR 1,000 base bet only which gave me a win of IDR 4.5M or around $300.

4575 multiplier is still very huge considering my most multiplier win is just around 1k+.  I watched the replay and that was a crazy bonus since 250x dropped on the third spin of the bonus round and if that 500x hits that sure is max win but sadly it missed.  But it isn't a small win either imagine hitting a 4.5m IDR from a 100k IDR bonus buy.
legendary
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Enhanced RTP slot gives you only 2% Edge, don't waste time thinking it's true or not because until now there is no third parties service that can provide (RTP) check. All you need to do, just trust the provider. But I believe you will be thinking like this:
- If won (oh, great these RTP are real)
- If lose (shit, these RTP is a scam).
legendary
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Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform

By the way, I have just hit a close to max win in Gates of Heaven, anyone can watch the replay here https://replay.pragmaticplay.net/wHLqWogZrA
I was so confidence that it would hit max win because of the 500x and 250x wild multiplier, but it was not coming true as it stopped at x4575.
Not a huge win as it was with IDR 1,000 base bet only which gave me a win of IDR 4.5M or around $300.

Finally today is your turn after a few months just watching Cheesy but yeah, I'm a bit surprised why it doesn't reach maxwin even though it already meets the criteria
I rarely play this game because I think it's no different from Gates of Olympus but after I checked in more detail it turns out there are some differences
For example the house edge of this game is lower only 2% and the RTP is higher up to 98% it's just that we can't test whether the information included is real or not.
legendary
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Correct me, guys, if I'm wrong here, but I think buying free spins isn't increasing your chance of hitting a jackpot. You have the same odds of hitting it with your regular spins, no?

Depends on what games you are playing because there are some games where it is impossible to hit big multiplier in normal spins such as Sweet Bonanza and its family members.
If you play such game, buying bonus is exactly increase your chance to win big than playing normal spins.
Buying bonus is simply an instant way to enter the bonus round, while playing normal spins may not give you guarantee entering the bonus round although you spend the same amount as the bonus buy cost.

By the way, I have just hit a close to max win in Gates of Heaven, anyone can watch the replay here https://replay.pragmaticplay.net/wHLqWogZrA
I was so confidence that it would hit max win because of the 500x and 250x wild multiplier, but it was not coming true as it stopped at x4575.
Not a huge win as it was with IDR 1,000 base bet only which gave me a win of IDR 4.5M or around $300.

legendary
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hmph..
If you think of it, buying free spins is just like making higher bets. Once I won $200 with a $0.20 regular spin on a slot, and if I was betting with $20 at that moment, my profit would be $20k, right? Now, if I'd buy a bonus round for $20 back then and won $20k I would be confident that only buying free spins can provide you with such a win. This is what happens with some gamblers, and they spread the word and other people repeat after them.

I'm a bit confused by your point. Buying a buy bonus does not increase the bet, it only speeds up entering bonus mode, but must pay 100x the base bet. So, we pay that $20 is actually same as $0.2 per spin with 100 spins (without any win). so the matter of winning doesn't change, if from base bet $0.2 the rules if we get maxwin is $200, by buying bonus mode it will still be $200 not change to $20K.

Am I misunderstood what you mean?
legendary
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Well, in the end its doesn't matter how many bets I made, my control was really bad at that time. Even though I followed your method, with a bet of $0.2 per spin, my mindset at that time was "free spins = jackpot" LOL. So i think i will run till get the free spins, even I have to take a risk my balance is burned.
Correct me, guys, if I'm wrong here, but I think buying free spins isn't increasing your chance of hitting a jackpot. You have the same odds of hitting it with your regular spins, no?
Sometimes. I feel that sometimes buying free spins provides a chance to hit the jackpot. But it will come back to how good your luck is. I've tried buying free spins on many slot games but not all of them give me satisfactory results and even give me nothing but defeat. But then I decided not to buy the free spins for a while and just go with the regular spins. And sometimes, the results are even better than buying free spins. So buying free spins sometimes pay off well.

If you think of it, buying free spins is just like making higher bets. Once I won $200 with a $0.20 regular spin on a slot, and if I was betting with $20 at that moment, my profit would be $20k, right? Now, if I'd buy a bonus round for $20 back then and won $20k I would be confident that only buying free spins can provide you with such a win. This is what happens with some gamblers, and they spread the word and other people repeat after them.
legendary
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First time to see and play "Big-Bamboo" buy future with "Random" selection this week slot play: https://stake.ac/casino/home?page=7&iid=house%3A168893851193&modal=bet. The base bet was 0.5$ more than 500x. I love to see playing these again, but to scared is gonna to cost more money and blow up my money because don't have any experience with "Push-Gaming" experience.

The one with "random" should not be the one with more than 500x from the base bet if I remember it correctly. Afaik the random buy bonus cost 150x from the base bet, if you took the one with more than 500x (608x to be exact), you were actually took the Gold bonus. Actually buying the cheapest one is better imo because if you buy the expensive one for higher starting multiplier, you lose the chance to get additional spins. Anyway, push gaming is better to be played with normal spins imo but if you have decent starting bankroll, buy bonus will help a lot to play with combination between normal spins and buy bonus.
legendary
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First time to see and play "Big-Bamboo" buy future with "Random" selection this week slot play: https://stake.ac/casino/home?page=7&iid=house%3A168893851193&modal=bet. The base bet was 0.5$ more than 500x. I love to see playing these again, but to scared is gonna to cost more money and blow up my money because don't have any experience with "Push-Gaming" experience.

I recently want to tried Razor Return, it's 2.0 from Razor ~Slot. More feature bonus system and can get potential 100x multiplier with gambler mode, off course need to be remind (Razor) slot is really a drain slot just like the old one.
legendary
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hmph..

So, you did bet $6 at once. I'm glad I got it right. Smiley

As of getting only 50% of the purchase price, yeah, I've noticed that too. It happens so often that at some point I've stopped being tempted by that "Bonus Buy". To me it's like an invitation to lose several dollars now.
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Correct me, guys, if I'm wrong here, but I think buying free spins isn't increasing your chance of hitting a jackpot. You have the same odds of hitting it with your regular spins, no?

Yup, I use it for 1x bet on the buy bonus. It happened within a few months of playing slots for the first time. So I thought using normal spins would just waste me a lot of time.

That's right, at that time I always thought buying bonuses could save more money, in fact no, it's true what you said buy bonuses could be worse because we can lose money faster.

The last time I played, I no longer used the buy bonus, (of course sometime still buying it, but not like the first time I started playing slots). My first experience when using normal spins and getting a 250x jackpot in 1 spin made me reduce my habit of using buy bonuses and switch to normal spins.
legendary
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Have you tried the Wild Bison Charge game? this one is also interesting but don't be surprised when you get 0 consecutive wins  Cheesy

I tried it, I did even suggest it to roycilik weeks ago but he was not interested to try  Grin
The difficulty to win big in this game is similar to Bison Spirit or the older one Buffalo King (non megaways).
I tried this game several times on May but my best result is not even more than 500x



As I think it is not really good game to play after several times try, I decided to leave it and will not play it again  Grin
hero member
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Well, in the end its doesn't matter how many bets I made, my control was really bad at that time. Even though I followed your method, with a bet of $0.2 per spin, my mindset at that time was "free spins = jackpot" LOL. So i think i will run till get the free spins, even I have to take a risk my balance is burned.
Correct me, guys, if I'm wrong here, but I think buying free spins isn't increasing your chance of hitting a jackpot. You have the same odds of hitting it with your regular spins, no?
Sometimes. I feel that sometimes buying free spins provides a chance to hit the jackpot. But it will come back to how good your luck is. I've tried buying free spins on many slot games but not all of them give me satisfactory results and even give me nothing but defeat. But then I decided not to buy the free spins for a while and just go with the regular spins. And sometimes, the results are even better than buying free spins. So buying free spins sometimes pay off well.
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