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Quote from: panjul07 on April 20, 2022, 08:44:46 AM

I have to say Mega Moolah is a bad choice to play when you are hunting for high multiplier as the chance to get high multiplier is to hit the jackpot.
Dont use Mega Moolah in case you are participating in multiplier contest, you can do it if you are hunting for the jackpot only.
You do not need to explore slots, simply check this thread and look at what are shared by others about their wins especially the one from roycilik.

True, if you hit the jackpot, the contest prize will taste just like a dust compared to the jackpot Grin

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Quote from: Beparanf on April 20, 2022, 01:45:37 AM

I’m new on this but how much bankroll typically being burnt just to get a potential high multiplier? I play mega moohlah before and I burned 400$ without even getting a high multiplier enough to compete with other winning multiplier. It’s so scary to explore slots because I don’t have any idea if I will just burn completely my bank roll without getting any huge win.

I have to say Mega Moolah is a bad choice to play when you are hunting for high multiplier as the chance to get high multiplier is to hit the jackpot.
Dont use Mega Moolah in case you are participating in multiplier contest, you can do it if you are hunting for the jackpot only.
You do not need to explore slots, simply check this thread and look at what are shared by others about their wins especially the one from roycilik.

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Quote from: Bitinity on April 20, 2022, 01:40:18 AM

Quote from: masulum on April 18, 2022, 11:45:34 AM

It's a shame, the big win that was in front of my eyes was finally destroyed because of emotion, again I wasted my chance when I won haha. Playing Chaisen Maxways earlier won 10x from the bonus buy IDR100K, and lost all of this win. Well, luckily there are still wins, so I can still makes a Withdraw even though it's only part of the winnings I get.

Unfortunately, in Spadegaming there are no replays, so I can't share my winnings.

And again, you have just repeated your own mistake

but it is very common thing to happen when we are gambling and make nice profit earlier. Mostly we think that it is our lucky day so we continue playing but unfortunately we lose it half or even all eventually. This is why I always say in some other threads that we should have a target/limit of winning before start our gambling session.

There is another motivation to keep playing: we value winnings as free money. For example, we started playing with 100 dollars and won another 400. We think: even if I lose 400 dollars, my 100 will still remain with me "in fact, I risk nothing." Naturally, not everyone can stop on time and so losing even the initial pot.

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Quote from: Beparanf on April 20, 2022, 01:45:37 AM

I’m new on this but how much bankroll typically being burnt just to get a potential high multiplier? I play mega moohlah before and I burned 400$ without even getting a high multiplier enough to compete with other winning multiplier. It’s so scary to explore slots because I don’t have any idea if I will just burn completely my bank roll without getting any huge win.

It depends on your luck, and I'm afraid it cannot be measured even with approximation. Last time I take part in that competition, I burnt $400+ without submitting my result. It was so bad, not even 200x. That's when I decided to stop for a while Grin

Anyway, don't try to push your luck in the multiplier contest since nothing you can do if luck isn't on your side. It only serves as a nice +theoretical RTP, but in reality, even if you get the highest multiplier, your bankroll can still be negative (loss).

About the preferred games, since most of the time the #1 winner only got below 3,000x, games with 5,000x max-win, high volatility, and $0.1 minimum bet are the best choice IMO.

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Quote from: Bitinity on April 20, 2022, 01:40:18 AM

-snip- Mostly we think that it is our lucky day so we continue playing but unfortunately we lose it half or even all eventually. This is why I always say in some other threads that we should have a target/limit of winning before start our gambling session.

You are right about this, I think the same, since I'm win when starting with low budget, but get 10x after trying with 100K bonus buy once, and win, so i keeping with 60 after that but lose in a row and increased my bet with 100K again for few times, and all of them lose slowly.

Lucky still on my side, today I playing from rackback, and make a withdraw to cover my winning lose before and stop playing for today

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Quote from: Bitinity on April 20, 2022, 01:40:18 AM

Quote from: masulum on April 18, 2022, 11:45:34 AM

It's a shame, the big win that was in front of my eyes was finally destroyed because of emotion, again I wasted my chance when I won haha. Playing Chaisen Maxways earlier won 10x from the bonus buy IDR100K, and lost all of this win. Well, luckily there are still wins, so I can still makes a Withdraw even though it's only part of the winnings I get.

Unfortunately, in Spadegaming there are no replays, so I can't share my winnings.

And again, you have just repeated your own mistake

but it is very common thing to happen when we are gambling and make nice profit earlier. Mostly we think that it is our lucky day so we continue playing but unfortunately we lose it half or even all eventually. This is why I always say in some other threads that we should have a target/limit of winning before start our gambling session.

I used to make the same mistakes but somehow by limiting myself to play only once a week and little money,when I win big in my beloved slot which I know now everyone of you knows (SW and HG) when I get big wins from the bonus game I only keep playing like 5-10 dollars more and if I see I am not winning I immediately thereafter quit.This have proven to be quite a great strategy so far,as I have won more than I have lost lately although the wins are not as big as before when I used to get those 1000-2000x quite often.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on April 05, 2022, 08:39:15 AM

Quote from: Beparanf on April 05, 2022, 02:40:41 AM

if there a simple method to know the volatility rate of each slot without undergoing to actually play the game real/demo.
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Is there a website that provides data base for an in depth analysis on each slot?

If just opening the game and read the (i) information is also forbidden, then you can use 3rd party slots review sites such as slotcatalog.com or others.

Quote from: Beparanf on April 05, 2022, 02:40:41 AM

I really want to know what's the best slot to get a higher multiplier so I conclude that volatility will be the key to my question but I don't know how to choose the perfect slot for it.

You should search for extreme or very high volatility slots paired with high max-win. Well, on the far right of the scale you can try DOA2, Mega Moolah, Tombstone RIP.

Thanks for this, Kinda late to read this but will take in consideration the slots that you suggest as well as the slot review site when I participate on the next multiplier master of Duelbits.

I’m new on this but how much bankroll typically being burnt just to get a potential high multiplier? I play mega moohlah before and I burned 400$ without even getting a high multiplier enough to compete with other winning multiplier. It’s so scary to explore slots because I don’t have any idea if I will just burn completely my bank roll without getting any huge win.

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Quote from: masulum on April 18, 2022, 11:45:34 AM

It's a shame, the big win that was in front of my eyes was finally destroyed because of emotion, again I wasted my chance when I won haha. Playing Chaisen Maxways earlier won 10x from the bonus buy IDR100K, and lost all of this win. Well, luckily there are still wins, so I can still makes a Withdraw even though it's only part of the winnings I get.

Unfortunately, in Spadegaming there are no replays, so I can't share my winnings.

And again, you have just repeated your own mistake

but it is very common thing to happen when we are gambling and make nice profit earlier. Mostly we think that it is our lucky day so we continue playing but unfortunately we lose it half or even all eventually. This is why I always say in some other threads that we should have a target/limit of winning before start our gambling session.

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hmph..

It's a shame, the big win that was in front of my eyes was finally destroyed because of emotion, again I wasted my chance when I won haha. Playing Chaisen Maxways earlier won 10x from the bonus buy IDR100K, and lost all of this win. Well, luckily there are still wins, so I can still makes a Withdraw even though it's only part of the winnings I get.

Unfortunately, in Spadegaming there are no replays, so I can't share my winnings.

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I felt the discussion above mostly is just a matter of definition, just like this scene.
For us street gamblers, it's pretty obvious that the smaller the minimum bet, the more we can spin, scoring more wager before our limited bankroll got empty.

Quote from: panjul07 on April 17, 2022, 11:33:28 AM

Real example, I participated in a contest some time ago and I made 200k bets with $0.01 bet means I have wagered $2,000 while I started it with less than $50.
I believe I wont reach $2,000 wager if I bet more than $0.5 per spin as I may lose my initial bankroll sooner.

Yeah, the important assumption here is "limited bankroll" as the theory often forgot to mention the used assumption.
For example, RTP/HE assumes unlimited spins/bankroll.

So with $50, we can spin more with a $0.01 minimum bet and:

Quote from: KTChampions on April 16, 2022, 10:25:27 AM

on a larger number of bets, we will get the value closest to the RTP.

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Quote from: KTChampions on April 16, 2022, 10:25:27 AM

Thanks for the explanations, but it turns out that for a wager, the presence of a convenient minimum bet does not greatly affect the final result, because there is no difference in making 100 dollar bets or 1000 bets of $0.1 from the point of view of wagering. There is a difference only in the variance i.e. on a larger number of bets, we will get the value closest to the RTP. And yes, we won’t be able to “wind up” a lot wager for competition with our 100 dollars, and any whale will win it from us.

If you are going to wager as much as possible with slot games, min bet does affect the result.
Simple example, you have starting balance of $100 and you want to wager $10k.
The chance to reach the goal is better if you bet smaller lets say 0.1-0.2 than betting bigger amount like $5-$10.
Real example, I participated in a contest some time ago and I made 200k bets with $0.01 bet means I have wagered $2,000 while I started it with less than $50.
I believe I wont reach $2,000 wager if I bet more than $0.5 per spin as I may lose my initial bankroll sooner.
However if the main purpose is to compete wagering contest, it is obvious that small bets wont have chance to win but I think the main idea from ralle14 is about how to wager much with less risk of losing much.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on April 16, 2022, 07:18:32 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on April 15, 2022, 02:23:20 PM

isn't the house edge in slots about the same for all games? By and large, there is no difference in which game to play, there is only a difference whether you can choose the degree of risk or not (and compared to dice, of course, there are much fewer options for choosing).

Well, it depends on how much difference would you call as "about the same." Yeah, Pragmatic Play has a ~96.5% RTP, and others vary from ~95% to ~97%. However, that's not the point when @Bitinity suggest Tree of Riches and 888 Dragon.

These two games simply allow you to bet $0.01/spin, therefore, your balance will last longer than if you play with a higher bet (let's say $0.1/spin). For wagering contests, there are two variables that pretty much determine the "sustainability, " i.e., (1) minimum bet, and (2) volatility (e.g. 1.01x setting at dice). Since you can't tweak the slots volatility, it would be best to seek for the lowest minimum bet allowed. This is the "best bang for your buck" method. However, this method can't guarantee winning because it's slow. You'll be out-wagered by a whale with $10/spin. Grin

Thanks for the explanations, but it turns out that for a wager, the presence of a convenient minimum bet does not greatly affect the final result, because there is no difference in making 100 dollar bets or 1000 bets of $0.1 from the point of view of wagering. There is a difference only in the variance i.e. on a larger number of bets, we will get the value closest to the RTP. And yes, we won’t be able to “wind up” a lot wager for competition with our 100 dollars, and any whale will win it from us.

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Quote from: KTChampions on April 15, 2022, 02:23:20 PM

isn't the house edge in slots about the same for all games? By and large, there is no difference in which game to play, there is only a difference whether you can choose the degree of risk or not (and compared to dice, of course, there are much fewer options for choosing).

Well, it depends on how much difference would you call as "about the same." Yeah, Pragmatic Play has a ~96.5% RTP, and others vary from ~95% to ~97%. However, that's not the point when @Bitinity suggest Tree of Riches and 888 Dragon.

These two games simply allow you to bet $0.01/spin, therefore, your balance will last longer than if you play with a higher bet (let's say $0.1/spin). For wagering contests, there are two variables that pretty much determine the "sustainability, " i.e., (1) minimum bet, and (2) volatility (e.g. 1.01x setting at dice). Since you can't tweak the slots volatility, it would be best to seek for the lowest minimum bet allowed. This is the "best bang for your buck" method. However, this method can't guarantee winning because it's slow. You'll be out-wagered by a whale with $10/spin. Grin

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Quote from: roycilik on April 15, 2022, 02:08:23 PM

How was your gambling today? Grin

I just tried a new game from Play'N Go, it's called "Forge of Gems". another version of Prism of Gems, frozen gems, Perfect gems LOL

How about the new "POP" by yggdrasil "Lollypop"? You have a magic luck with POP games and I think you will find the luck in this new game too. I'm not sure how this new Pop game works as I see it in the landing page of a casino but I havent opened the game to see how it works.

Quote from: KTChampions on April 15, 2022, 02:23:20 PM

I'm not very knowledgeable, but isn't the house edge in slots about the same for all games? By and large, there is no difference in which game to play, there is only a difference whether you can choose the degree of risk or not (and compared to dice, of course, there are much fewer options for choosing).

It is rare to say house edge for slot games, we usually use RTP. Not all slot games has the same RTP as it is variable depending on some factors such as volatility. mu_enrico can help you more about the basic knowledge of slot games. Indeed most slot games has low RTP or we can say it as high house edge, but there are also some slot with high RTP/low house edge but I do not think slot games with high RTP is attractive to play.

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Quote from: Bitinity on April 11, 2022, 08:35:41 AM

Quote from: ralle14 on April 11, 2022, 07:26:48 AM

Can you guys give me a recommendation on which slots could dish out the most wagering amount without losing much similar to how playing dice at 1.01x?

I sometimes play slots but I haven't stumbled upon a slot game that slowly burns your bankroll, the ones i've been playing are usually a hit or miss.

It just came to mind while I was browsing the games and rounds section as Livecasino was offering a reward for wagering 1mbtc on their slots but unfortunately, it ended earlier today.

It is hard to find such slot game where you can wager a lot with less risk like you may do in dice at 1.01x but you may try old school slot where with 3 reels and 1 payline only. Example: Tree of Riches and 88 Dragon by Pragmatic Play. I used to play these 2 games long time ago when I participated in Fortunejack competition, I can say that these 2 games let me wager nice amount but I did not lose much but of course it is not a guarantee as sometime slot can be something really wild that eat your balance fast.

I'm not very knowledgeable, but isn't the house edge in slots about the same for all games? By and large, there is no difference in which game to play, there is only a difference whether you can choose the degree of risk or not (and compared to dice, of course, there are much fewer options for choosing).

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How was your gambling today? Grin

I just tried a new game from Play'N Go, it's called "Forge of Gems". another version of Prism of Gems, frozen gems, Perfect gems LOL

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Quote from: ralle14 on April 11, 2022, 07:26:48 AM

Can you guys give me a recommendation on which slots could dish out the most wagering amount without losing much similar to how playing dice at 1.01x?

I sometimes play slots but I haven't stumbled upon a slot game that slowly burns your bankroll, the ones i've been playing are usually a hit or miss.

It just came to mind while I was browsing the games and rounds section as Livecasino was offering a reward for wagering 1mbtc on their slots but unfortunately, it ended earlier today.

If the minimum bet isn't specified, you can play $0.01/spin games, just like what @Panjul recommends.
But if the minimum bet is specified, like $0.1 or more, I used PnG - Perfect Gems to beat FJ's Bonus Appetit.
In the past, Nolimit City - Tomb of Nefertiti, PnG - Celebration / Beast / Temple of Wealth also earned me nice contest wins.

Generally, you should look for low/medium volatility games with lower max-win, the lower the better.

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Quote from: panjul07 on April 10, 2022, 12:55:57 PM

Using moonpay to deposit is a bit complicated especially for those who are not familiar with it.
I believe what he want is something like a direct IDR deposit from his bank account or e-wallet account to the casino. -snip-

That's right, it's not that I don't understand how to deposit, but I'm reluctant to register at Moonpay, even though it doesn't take too long to register there. I had hoped to be able to deposit IDR directly before, but it didn't. So, for now I choose not to deposit in Stake, while waiting for some free money to try my luck there. Because a friend suggested playing on Stake, if I want to focus playing on pragmatic, with a better RTP there.

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Quote from: ralle14 on April 11, 2022, 07:26:48 AM

Can you guys give me a recommendation on which slots could dish out the most wagering amount without losing much similar to how playing dice at 1.01x?

I sometimes play slots but I haven't stumbled upon a slot game that slowly burns your bankroll, the ones i've been playing are usually a hit or miss.

It just came to mind while I was browsing the games and rounds section as Livecasino was offering a reward for wagering 1mbtc on their slots but unfortunately, it ended earlier today.

It is hard to find such slot game where you can wager a lot with less risk like you may do in dice at 1.01x but you may try old school slot where with 3 reels and 1 payline only. Example: Tree of Riches and 88 Dragon by Pragmatic Play. I used to play these 2 games long time ago when I participated in Fortunejack competition, I can say that these 2 games let me wager nice amount but I did not lose much but of course it is not a guarantee as sometime slot can be something really wild that eat your balance fast.

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Can you guys give me a recommendation on which slots could dish out the most wagering amount without losing much similar to how playing dice at 1.01x?

I sometimes play slots but I haven't stumbled upon a slot game that slowly burns your bankroll, the ones i've been playing are usually a hit or miss.

It just came to mind while I was browsing the games and rounds section as Livecasino was offering a reward for wagering 1mbtc on their slots but unfortunately, it ended earlier today.

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