So many threads on FIFA World Cup 2022 - page 2.

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Quote from: Mpamaegbu on December 12, 2022, 02:21:09 AM

Duplicate threads should be reported to mods for vetting. If they're needlessly opened, should be taken down.

Exactly. Duplicated topics will always be created and the rule hasn't change and doesn't have to change specifically for this.

And exactly because of this reason (maybe this is a bit harsh, however) this too can also be seen as "just another World Cup 2022 topic".
However, the good news is that there's only this week left and then these topics will become obsolete and will die off.

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Quote from: buwaytress on December 11, 2022, 11:14:39 AM

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Anyone can be the judge, but I am pretty confident the self-moderated ones are of better quality than the non-moderated ones, and I'm absolutely okay if the ones I created seem less active, they no longer are a source for megaspam. 2 or 3 contributive, constructive, thoughtful posts from genuine users are better than 10 rehash posts from post farmers.

I agree that self-moderated threads make sense, especially in boards that are under severe and direct attacks from spammers, as is the case with Gambling. Unfortunately, nothing prevents anyone from making a regular thread first and making that thread the main one for discussion. I am very rarely on that board, but the amount of spam that can be found there is incredible, especially from those members who have negative tags from DT, and yet participate in campaigns from so-called respectable campaign managers.

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Given that they are all broad FIFA topics, there may only be one thread except the thread created by hilariousandco which has its own unique objective. They must be reported because our moderators are involved in numerous tasks already. However, having fruitful discussions in a single mega thread that generates ten pages every day might not be effective. And this could be the reason why moderators are not deleting them. Or, as was mentioned earlier, it could be the absence of reports. In any case, I'm fine with them. However, it might be preferable to diversify some topics rather than generalize the event as a whole.

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Quote from: RapTarX on December 11, 2022, 01:37:25 AM

I just had a look at the first page of the Gambling Discussion Board. It was my surprise to see 5 threads on FIFA world cup 2022 on the 1st page. I didn't bother to check 2nd page or other; don't know if there are more but I guess there will be a few more threads as well.

Expectedly, there won't be more of FIFA stories and threads beyond the first page because all of them are getting bumped to the front page every minute. This is an active season for FIFA World Cup and so every thread on the world cup are always active and on the first page.

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Why moderators didn't lock/delete all this garbages? I guess there's no need for all these threads; having 1/2 is more than enough I guess.

Duplicate threads should be reported to mods for vetting. If they're needlessly opened, should be taken down. However, it seems the mods are overwhelmed with work as some of these reported cases aren't taken up and resolved within a short time. It's possible that those threads have already been reported but it may take a longer time for actions to be taken on them.

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Quote from: Xxmodded on December 12, 2022, 12:07:12 AM

I think all topic discussing about FIFA World Cup 2022 will gone in one week later after World Cup over on December 17.

There are not any rule about topic duplicates after existing old and new topic for longer time.

There's a rule about duplicates topic, the moderators will lock the thread or even delete the thread. It just weird how moderators didn't take any action against this matter. Talking about all of the FIFA world cup discussion will gone after one week later, I really doubt it. If the @OP of each thread didn't lock the topic, it will keep exist and then they will just change the topic title to 2026 when the new season started.

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I disagree with many duplicates with the same topic trough FIFA World Cup 2022 Qatar, but the early thread or topic make first I thing is priority than other topic appear after have any one created first. I think all topic discussing about FIFA World Cup 2022 will gone in one week later after World Cup over on December 17.

Duplicates topic not only in FIFA World Cup 2022 but also another topic have duplicate about Primer League have two topic and wrote by different user, There are not any rule about topic duplicates after existing old and new topic for longer time.

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I have noticed this too, but I have associated this quantity of threads about the world cup to the enthusiasm which comes with the importance of the event. I mean, we don't have a world cup every year, do we?

As long as those threads are not repeated, I guess it should not be a huge problem. But I understand all this can be annoying for some people, perhaps those threads could get locked by a moderator after a couple of days after the finalization of the world cup?

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You have very good point. And it's not about just FIFA World Cup, but also about other popular competitions like EPL or Champions league. It's paradise for spammers. It's mess to allow making 10 topics about same subject. Perfectly, I think that only one topic per competition should be allowed. If not to be so strict, there can be one common topic and one self-moderated topic. All other topics should be locked. And I don't think that prediction pool topics should be counted into this category, it's a bit different stuff.

Quote from: buwaytress on December 11, 2022, 11:14:39 AM

So I locked my old threads. Made new ones, self-moderated, actively deleted the spam on my new threads... obviously post farmers didn't like this and so they post on the non-self-moderated ones. Some users complained (haha) but you know what? I actually wrote to all the posters whose posts I deleted and offered explanations and support. Want to guess how many even responded? Spoiler: almost none. So, you know what, I don't lose sleep over them anymore.

Anyone can be the judge, but I am pretty confident the self-moderated ones are of better quality than the non-moderated ones, and I'm absolutely okay if the ones I created seem less active, they no longer are a source for megaspam. 2 or 3 contributive, constructive, thoughtful posts from genuine users are better than 10 rehash posts from post farmers.

And I love these your topics. I stopped from posting in main megathreads for these leagues because it's pointless thing. Nobody won't read your post there and very soon it will go to previous page without getting any attention. While these self-moderated topics maybe aren't so popular, but at least we get genuine discussions there. I prefere quality over quantity.

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Didn't really want to reply to feed this thread but to clarify, I only made threads for UEFA club competitions (Europa, Conference, UCL). I made them all self-moderated in response to some discussions in meta about significant activity from spam posters esp in Gambling Discussion, a lot of them from the 3 threads I made earlier (not self-moderated).

Lucius, Rikafip, others, made very valid points just above my post.

It made me feel really guilty actually tbh!

So I locked my old threads. Made new ones, self-moderated, actively deleted the spam on my new threads... obviously post farmers didn't like this and so they post on the non-self-moderated ones. Some users complained (haha) but you know what? I actually wrote to all the posters whose posts I deleted and offered explanations and support. Want to guess how many even responded? Spoiler: almost none. So, you know what, I don't lose sleep over them anymore.

Anyone can be the judge, but I am pretty confident the self-moderated ones are of better quality than the non-moderated ones, and I'm absolutely okay if the ones I created seem less active, they no longer are a source for megaspam. 2 or 3 contributive, constructive, thoughtful posts from genuine users are better than 10 rehash posts from post farmers.

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They don't seem to me duplicate content, but if by any chance they bother you much, you can report them.
I checked several treads, and they are doing well, I don't mind joining their discussion.

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I reported the thread that served to discuss the qualifiers for the World Cup in Qatar, and in which the spammers continued to discuss current events, which is beyond comprehension.

I think that threads with pools and tournaments have their purpose and that one is even self-moderated, which prevents spammers from using them. For the other 3 threads, I personally think that we should go in the direction of leaving only one unlocked, namely the one that was opened first.

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This has been ongoing issue for not just gambling board and in the case of World Cup, but forum in general. Every time something big happens, thread about it start popping out all over the place and I don't remember ever seeing them being merged together. I've been active on various forums for many years, and nowhere I saw this issue being so obvious like here and mods so reluctant to merge/lock duplicate threads.

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I agree that there are a lot of topics about the world cup in football, but these topics have been around for several months, some of them already have 50 or more pages of discussion, and it seems to me that it is really late to change something now.
It would have made sense if you had reported these threads as duplicates at the beginning, a few months ago, and not now when the world cup is about to end and these threads will die soon.
I don't think it really makes sense to change anything now, but to wait a week for the world cup to end and then some other sports topics will become relevant.
After all, if the moderators saw a problem with so many topics about the World Cup, they had enough time, a few months, to do something about it.
It's my opinion.

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Quote from: Poker Player on December 11, 2022, 01:46:12 AM

The only thing it would do is to have the spam concentrated in one thread instead of several.

People post almost the same text in more than one thread. If there was only a single thread, wouldn't they would be able to post the same text one single time & thus, the spam gets reduced; correct me if I'm missing something.

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on December 11, 2022, 01:47:47 AM

I have seen (and merited) some posts in the FIFA threads where members appear to be genuine fans and know what they're talking about, but for me it's hard to tell.

There will be good posts always from a few users; I can name a few of them, but most of them post almost the same story everywhere which I guess make no sense at all.

Quote from: NotATether on December 11, 2022, 03:25:23 AM

- 3rd topic is about Sportsbet.io's prediction pool, don't think you should touch that

I have already mentioned that in OP. I'm not regular there but I'm well aware of the pool threads as I have participated in a few (cricket though).

Quote from: Jawhead999 on December 11, 2022, 03:33:33 AM

Although there's a difference of the title between each one with each other, actually you're discuss about the same thing. When you want to post in the first thread, it doesn't mean you're not allowed to make a betting tips or create a speculation about the champion etc.

If you can read well, I'm sure you will find none of my posts is the same thing discussed in different threads.

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Have you do own introspection before creating this thread? you're talking about too much discussion about World cup, then why you're also create post in various World cup thread? Huh

1. FIFA 2022 world cup
2. 2022 FIFA World Cup in Qatar - UEFA Qualifiers
3. Qatar World Cup Betting Tips
4. Candidates for the WORLD CUP 2022 Winner

Although there's a difference of the title between each one with each other, actually you're discuss about the same thing. When you want to post in the first thread, it doesn't mean you're not allowed to make a betting tips or create a speculation about the champion etc.

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- 3rd topic is about Sportsbet.io's prediction pool, don't think you should touch that
- 2nd topic looks redundant to me
- If I recall correctly, someone made an unmoderated version of the World Cup thread because the original one by @buwaytress was self-moderated.

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Quote from: RapTarX on December 11, 2022, 01:37:25 AM

I just had a look at the first page of the Gambling Discussion Board. It was my surprise to see 5 threads on FIFA world cup 2022 on the 1st page. I didn't bother to check 2nd page or other; don't know if there are more but I guess there will be a few more threads as well.
Why moderators didn't lock/delete all this garbages? I guess there's no need for all these threads; having 1/2 is more than enough I guess.

It's true that there were some duplicates on the same topic and discussion during the World Cup, but if you think it's a problem and a moderator needs to act on it, please report the thread. Let the moderators decide, but I think it's actually very possible the moderators have noticed even without this thread in the meta.

Quote from: RapTarX on December 11, 2022, 01:37:25 AM

Are all these threads necessary? Are they really different from others? I guess having one thread would be great to reduce spam; though the board is full of spam.

In this case, not all threads with the same topic are needed. Everyone can concentrate on one thread for discussing the World Cup, but for thread like thread owned by hilariousandco, it can be excluded.

But will that solve the problem? No, there are always problems especially regarding spam.

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Ugh, I couldn't agree with you more. A lot of people asking me for post reviews are in gambling campaigns and thus I've been obliged to read about FIFA-related stuff more than I ever would (which is to say not at all, since I'm not a soccer fan). If a thread is several thousands of pages long, I'm not sure anybody is reading what anyone else is writing. I'd say these threads are where most sig campaigners go to drop posts in the gambling section.

I have seen (and merited) some posts in the FIFA threads where members appear to be genuine fans and know what they're talking about, but for me it's hard to tell.

The counter-argument here, of course, is that if any of these threads are locked more are going to pop up in their place. That may or may not be true, but I don't think there ought to be so many dealing with the same subject and going on for so long.

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Quote from: RapTarX on December 11, 2022, 01:37:25 AM

I guess having one thread would be great to reduce spam; though the board is full of spam.

I don't think so. The only thing it would do is to have the spam concentrated in one thread instead of several.

I hope you reported them for duplicate threads if they bother you so much.

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I just had a look at the first page of the Gambling Discussion Board. It was my surprise to see 5 threads on FIFA world cup 2022 on the 1st page. I didn't bother to check 2nd page or other; don't know if there are more but I guess there will be a few more threads as well.
Why moderators didn't lock/delete all this garbages? I guess there's no need for all these threads; having 1/2 is more than enough I guess.

here you go with the list-
1. FIFA 2022 world cup
2. Qatar world cup Final Predictions
3. Sportsbet.io's FIFA World Cup 22 Prediction Pool Discussion thread
4. FIFA World Cup 2022 Discussion Thread
5. ⚽ FIFA World Cup 2022: Tournament Discussion Thread for Qatar 2022

The thread by hilariousandco is different as it's for a pool but if we look at all other threads, all of them are almost the same though I wasn't lucky to check the last one as OP is in my ignore list.
Are all these threads necessary? Are they really different from others? I guess having one thread would be great to reduce spam; though the board is full of spam.

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