💥SOLARIS XLR💥100% PoS + Masternodes ⚡Zerocoin⚡txbit.io in development - page 283.

enigs

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Quote from: travelninja on October 09, 2017, 04:00:02 PM

Enigs - I'm getting my pi tomorrow. What are you running on it and what wallet are you using for Solaris?

Debian Jessie, I've had Stratis running on there for months and have yet to pull a staking reward so I'm looking forward to more reliable forms of passive income. I just downloaded the latest wallet from the Github.

https://github.com/Solaris-Project/Solaris/releases/tag/v2.0.1.0

Cobra9100

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A payment of 0.02 HLR in blockexplorer https://solaris.blockexplorer.pro/address/SXYwUbQi7LiNjDr8EsbbpmqA7WSsAT4aNx is, but in the wallet

it appeared and disappeared.

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Quote from: schyter on October 09, 2017, 11:22:45 AM

Quote from: tradingdisaster on October 09, 2017, 11:15:07 AM

To those running masternodes that earn blocks, how big are the block rewards?

0.4 XLR
refer to this post to see my earnings https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.22739206

That doesn't seem to always be the case. Sometimes I am receiving 0.02 XLR instead of the 0.4 XLR... why is that?

CoinFolium

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Are cold wallets working for masternodes - with that http://www.explorerz.top/vivo-mn.html guide? Anyone knows?

travelninja

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Enigs - I'm getting my pi tomorrow. What are you running on it and what wallet are you using for Solaris?

enigs

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Got my 1000, successfully test swapped 20 from Coinexchange to my new address and it just popped up on the new block explorer.

Cheers everyone! Looking forward to running a masternode on my Pi.

schyter

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solaris SLACK link

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Quote from: einherjar on October 09, 2017, 03:13:01 PM

Quote from: schyter on October 09, 2017, 02:11:46 PM

You may have to elaborate more on what you saying for us to understand you quite well
First of all, i dont see the need for you to resync NIST5 wallet if you have to transfer coins from the exchange to swap them. You only need to download your new XEVAN wallet, get an address, send coins directly from exchange to address provided for you on swap website and follow the rest of the instruction on swap website carefully

Also, i dont seem to know why your nist5 wallet isn't syncing. mine was open and fully synced as i was typing this reply. Try these nodes in snipet below

Code:

addnode=104.237.90.45
addnode=109.13.197.20
addnode=109.134.111.27
addnode=109.193.246.4
addnode=109.235.65.47
addnode=109.66.29.59
addnode=112.205.195.238
addnode=113.177.43.66
addnode=113.66.62.143
addnode=115.132.82.135
addnode=115.79.5.135
addnode=128.69.89.163
addnode=128.74.47.234
addnode=128.74.73.242
addnode=128.74.81.51
addnode=136.24.186.155
addnode=145.249.132.129
addnode=145.249.148.173
addnode=146.185.135.35
addnode=155.143.193.174
addnode=158.69.245.58
addnode=159.146.116.161
addnode=167.114.103.43
addnode=172.100.149.195
addnode=172.104.156.182
addnode=174.114.74.204
addnode=174.3.144.119
addnode=176.100.71.107
addnode=176.194.62.242
addnode=178.129.90.246
addnode=178.215.98.57
addnode=178.251.222.153
addnode=179.124.10.26
addnode=179.125.97.183
addnode=179.62.97.241
addnode=180.235.33.120
addnode=184.155.209.93
addnode=184.164.129.202
addnode=184.195.73.197
addnode=185.183.99.171
addnode=185.51.187.161
addnode=185.60.147.78
addnode=185.92.223.144
addnode=188.143.58.135
addnode=188.167.144.142
addnode=188.234.176.67
addnode=188.40.78.31
addnode=195.33.213.195
addnode=201.75.10.109
addnode=203.206.160.157
addnode=203.59.236.69
addnode=204.27.59.90
addnode=210.195.255.142
addnode=211.104.154.2
addnode=211.197.11.6
addnode=212.3.130.134
addnode=213.138.83.30
addnode=213.149.102.189
addnode=213.238.102.98
addnode=213.80.223.108
addnode=23.118.79.28
addnode=27.253.50.0
addnode=31.128.224.236
addnode=31.46.80.228
addnode=37.113.252.144
addnode=46.147.193.168
addnode=46.39.230.156
addnode=5.228.233.54
addnode=51.15.164.53
addnode=52.220.28.103
addnode=59.127.206.103
addnode=60.236.52.95
addnode=60.240.73.244
addnode=62.210.110.181
addnode=66.108.15.5
addnode=68.149.134.110
addnode=68.168.176.187
addnode=68.196.244.12
addnode=70.123.136.189
addnode=71.197.2.127
addnode=71.201.209.44
addnode=73.168.84.118
addnode=73.192.150.91
addnode=73.193.229.94
addnode=73.237.102.32
addnode=73.76.16.176
addnode=73.83.37.91
addnode=73.93.57.169
addnode=74.12.138.56
addnode=75.109.71.168
addnode=77.108.125.114
addnode=78.137.5.155
addnode=78.46.227.52
addnode=79.111.10.57
addnode=79.113.31.42
addnode=79.165.206.181
addnode=79.191.155.236
addnode=80.237.29.60
addnode=80.242.85.209
addnode=81.154.133.208
addnode=82.149.3.111
addnode=82.40.170.244
addnode=83.87.39.91
addnode=84.0.232.9
addnode=84.138.129.203
addnode=85.167.102.241
addnode=85.214.152.3
addnode=86.154.242.28
addnode=86.188.50.0
addnode=86.200.44.101
addnode=87.113.210.102
addnode=87.93.66.246
addnode=88.153.26.199
addnode=88.164.70.252
addnode=88.99.226.34
addnode=88.99.5.208
addnode=89.178.1.191
addnode=89.47.15.113
addnode=91.240.208.235
addnode=93.126.95.110
addnode=94.130.19.114
addnode=95.19.130.112
addnode=95.21.108.82
addnode=95.21.110.193
addnode=95.70.43.122
addnode=95.70.92.93

Lastly, about your test swap not working, find out if you already have 6 confirmations.
If not you must wait for them.
If your wallet is not syncing, then your swap will definitely not work till its fully synced since your wallet isnt connected to the rest of the network.
Give me feedback on telegram or slack after you try my suggestion. Please be meticulous

It is @SolarisDev's utmost hope that everybody receives their coins safely in full. thus swap will proceed till the last month of this year.
There is more time to get help.

However if your XLR is on cryptopia then you have just a few days to swap them or else Cryptopia will delist XLR and getting your balance back through support may be difficult

Thank you for taking the time to write such a detailed response.
I have pasted those nodes on solaris.conf file but no success, connections are still 0, number of blocks still 0.
I do get a weird error when i start the wallet for the first time and wallet auto shutsdown, but on the second start and after the wallet starts up normally, that is with the old nist5 wallet.
I have no problems with the new xevan wallet its up and synched and already received some mined coins, the test swap was from coinexchange directly to the address provided by the swap site and it has alot more than 6 confirmation since i did it yesterday, here is the txid https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xlr/tx.dws?298eab69122bbe8a1a60d9603d6f13f440fa735a17481a11cb1fd4cd83b052f8.htm its the little 0.4 output.
Will try to reach out slack or telegram.

The minimum for the swap application is 1 XLR.

einherjar

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Quote from: schyter on October 09, 2017, 02:11:46 PM

You may have to elaborate more on what you saying for us to understand you quite well
First of all, i dont see the need for you to resync NIST5 wallet if you have to transfer coins from the exchange to swap them. You only need to download your new XEVAN wallet, get an address, send coins directly from exchange to address provided for you on swap website and follow the rest of the instruction on swap website carefully

Also, i dont seem to know why your nist5 wallet isn't syncing. mine was open and fully synced as i was typing this reply. Try these nodes in snipet below

Code:

addnode=104.237.90.45
addnode=109.13.197.20
addnode=109.134.111.27
addnode=109.193.246.4
addnode=109.235.65.47
addnode=109.66.29.59
addnode=112.205.195.238
addnode=113.177.43.66
addnode=113.66.62.143
addnode=115.132.82.135
addnode=115.79.5.135
addnode=128.69.89.163
addnode=128.74.47.234
addnode=128.74.73.242
addnode=128.74.81.51
addnode=136.24.186.155
addnode=145.249.132.129
addnode=145.249.148.173
addnode=146.185.135.35
addnode=155.143.193.174
addnode=158.69.245.58
addnode=159.146.116.161
addnode=167.114.103.43
addnode=172.100.149.195
addnode=172.104.156.182
addnode=174.114.74.204
addnode=174.3.144.119
addnode=176.100.71.107
addnode=176.194.62.242
addnode=178.129.90.246
addnode=178.215.98.57
addnode=178.251.222.153
addnode=179.124.10.26
addnode=179.125.97.183
addnode=179.62.97.241
addnode=180.235.33.120
addnode=184.155.209.93
addnode=184.164.129.202
addnode=184.195.73.197
addnode=185.183.99.171
addnode=185.51.187.161
addnode=185.60.147.78
addnode=185.92.223.144
addnode=188.143.58.135
addnode=188.167.144.142
addnode=188.234.176.67
addnode=188.40.78.31
addnode=195.33.213.195
addnode=201.75.10.109
addnode=203.206.160.157
addnode=203.59.236.69
addnode=204.27.59.90
addnode=210.195.255.142
addnode=211.104.154.2
addnode=211.197.11.6
addnode=212.3.130.134
addnode=213.138.83.30
addnode=213.149.102.189
addnode=213.238.102.98
addnode=213.80.223.108
addnode=23.118.79.28
addnode=27.253.50.0
addnode=31.128.224.236
addnode=31.46.80.228
addnode=37.113.252.144
addnode=46.147.193.168
addnode=46.39.230.156
addnode=5.228.233.54
addnode=51.15.164.53
addnode=52.220.28.103
addnode=59.127.206.103
addnode=60.236.52.95
addnode=60.240.73.244
addnode=62.210.110.181
addnode=66.108.15.5
addnode=68.149.134.110
addnode=68.168.176.187
addnode=68.196.244.12
addnode=70.123.136.189
addnode=71.197.2.127
addnode=71.201.209.44
addnode=73.168.84.118
addnode=73.192.150.91
addnode=73.193.229.94
addnode=73.237.102.32
addnode=73.76.16.176
addnode=73.83.37.91
addnode=73.93.57.169
addnode=74.12.138.56
addnode=75.109.71.168
addnode=77.108.125.114
addnode=78.137.5.155
addnode=78.46.227.52
addnode=79.111.10.57
addnode=79.113.31.42
addnode=79.165.206.181
addnode=79.191.155.236
addnode=80.237.29.60
addnode=80.242.85.209
addnode=81.154.133.208
addnode=82.149.3.111
addnode=82.40.170.244
addnode=83.87.39.91
addnode=84.0.232.9
addnode=84.138.129.203
addnode=85.167.102.241
addnode=85.214.152.3
addnode=86.154.242.28
addnode=86.188.50.0
addnode=86.200.44.101
addnode=87.113.210.102
addnode=87.93.66.246
addnode=88.153.26.199
addnode=88.164.70.252
addnode=88.99.226.34
addnode=88.99.5.208
addnode=89.178.1.191
addnode=89.47.15.113
addnode=91.240.208.235
addnode=93.126.95.110
addnode=94.130.19.114
addnode=95.19.130.112
addnode=95.21.108.82
addnode=95.21.110.193
addnode=95.70.43.122
addnode=95.70.92.93

Lastly, about your test swap not working, find out if you already have 6 confirmations.
If not you must wait for them.
If your wallet is not syncing, then your swap will definitely not work till its fully synced since your wallet isnt connected to the rest of the network.
Give me feedback on telegram or slack after you try my suggestion. Please be meticulous

It is @SolarisDev's utmost hope that everybody receives their coins safely in full. thus swap will proceed till the last month of this year.
There is more time to get help.

However if your XLR is on cryptopia then you have just a few days to swap them or else Cryptopia will delist XLR and getting your balance back through support may be difficult

Thank you for taking the time to write such a detailed response.
I have pasted those nodes on solaris.conf file but no success, connections are still 0, number of blocks still 0.
I do get a weird error when i start the wallet for the first time and wallet auto shutsdown, but on the second start and after the wallet starts up normally, that is with the old nist5 wallet.
I have no problems with the new xevan wallet its up and synched and already received some mined coins, the test swap was from coinexchange directly to the address provided by the swap site and it has alot more than 6 confirmation since i did it yesterday, here is the txid https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xlr/tx.dws?298eab69122bbe8a1a60d9603d6f13f440fa735a17481a11cb1fd4cd83b052f8.htm its the little 0.4 output.
Will try to reach out slack or telegram.

frostminer

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Quote from: frostminer on October 09, 2017, 10:28:20 AM

Quote from: SolarisDev on October 09, 2017, 10:23:40 AM

Quote from: frostminer on October 09, 2017, 09:52:51 AM

Quote from: SolarisDev on October 09, 2017, 08:53:41 AM

Quote from: frostminer on October 09, 2017, 08:19:05 AM

Dev
Any ETA on new wallet update?

You need to open mn ports for us to run more than 1 node pr ip.

Currently there isnt enough nodes running to soak up the block rewards even.

Quote from: keesdewit on October 08, 2017, 01:20:44 PM

No need to speculate about this. It is possible to run multiple masternodes on a single IP adres.

Just reuse the same port for all entries.

Thank you for your support !

What?
But it needs to be connectable from the outside.
Router cant forward 1 port to multiple adresses.

Neither can u start more than 1 progam using the same port.
Instance 2 gets "could not bind port 60020"

Thats why you dont see ANYONE run 2 from same ip.
We tried yesterday, as you saw in the list. But running more than 1 will become invalid and never go from 0:00:00 active. (also ban)

Look at the current masternode list. Do you see any duplicate IP address? Yes you do... so... its possible. Just reuse the same port for each entry in masternode conf.

Actually, there are no duplicate WORKING nodes.

And look at the list right now.
Mr 86.88.39.133 proves my point.
3 nodes... 1 active.

Now he is trying 4. But as we see... only 1 accepted.

SolarisDev

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Solaris XLR Pool owners please update the wallets to v2.0.1.0 and prepare for masternode payment enforcement (include proper masternode rewards).

https://github.com/Solaris-Project/Solaris/releases/tag/v2.0.1.0

Thank you for your support !

naymar

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The project I like, therefore, I start mining. Good luck.

LycheeBit

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Quote from: Texto on October 09, 2017, 12:21:51 PM

Quote from: LycheeBit on October 09, 2017, 11:45:33 AM

Quote from: Texto on October 09, 2017, 10:48:18 AM

How to mine this coin on the new network??

You can mine on LycheeBit

Stratum : lycheebit.com:3739
User : YOUR_XLR_ADDRESS
Password : c=XLR_XEVAN

Exemple of CCMiner command line :

Code:

ccminer.exe -a xevan -o stratum+tcp://lycheebit.com:3739 -u SbzG7EdRAQbn5zqWiGFicm8u8C37UMxUTc -p c=XLR_XEVAN

Link for ccminer with xevan algo :
https://github.com/krnlx/ccminer-xevan/releases

I tried it, not working with AMD GPU Sad

For AMD, you have to use sgminer. You can download sgminer with xevan algo here :
https://github.com/LIMXTEC/Xevan-GPU-Miner/releases

The command line will be :

Code:

sgminer.exe --algorithm xevan --url stratum+tcp://lycheebit.com:3739 -u YOU_XLR_ADDRESS -p c=XLR_XEVAN

schyter

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Open to any CryptoBusiness idea you have for Ghana

Quote from: einherjar on October 09, 2017, 12:29:11 PM

I am trying to synch the old nist5 wallet in order to transfer some coins from the exchange to swap them, but it's been stuck on 0 peers for hours, never established connection.
I have tried adding the nodes posted on the first page by op but the result was the same.
Are there any working nodes i can add to the config file ?
I also tried sending a test swap directly from the exchange to the swap address the site provided me, never received any coins on the new chain, i guess that doesn't at all.

You may have to elaborate more on what you saying for us to understand you quite well
First of all, i dont see the need for you to resync NIST5 wallet if you have to transfer coins from the exchange to swap them. You only need to download your new XEVAN wallet, get an address, send coins directly from exchange to address provided for you on swap website and follow the rest of the instruction on swap website carefully

Also, i dont seem to know why your nist5 wallet isn't syncing. mine was open and fully synced as i was typing this reply. Try these nodes in snipet below

Code:

addnode=104.237.90.45
addnode=109.13.197.20
addnode=109.134.111.27
addnode=109.193.246.4
addnode=109.235.65.47
addnode=109.66.29.59
addnode=112.205.195.238
addnode=113.177.43.66
addnode=113.66.62.143
addnode=115.132.82.135
addnode=115.79.5.135
addnode=128.69.89.163
addnode=128.74.47.234
addnode=128.74.73.242
addnode=128.74.81.51
addnode=136.24.186.155
addnode=145.249.132.129
addnode=145.249.148.173
addnode=146.185.135.35
addnode=155.143.193.174
addnode=158.69.245.58
addnode=159.146.116.161
addnode=167.114.103.43
addnode=172.100.149.195
addnode=172.104.156.182
addnode=174.114.74.204
addnode=174.3.144.119
addnode=176.100.71.107
addnode=176.194.62.242
addnode=178.129.90.246
addnode=178.215.98.57
addnode=178.251.222.153
addnode=179.124.10.26
addnode=179.125.97.183
addnode=179.62.97.241
addnode=180.235.33.120
addnode=184.155.209.93
addnode=184.164.129.202
addnode=184.195.73.197
addnode=185.183.99.171
addnode=185.51.187.161
addnode=185.60.147.78
addnode=185.92.223.144
addnode=188.143.58.135
addnode=188.167.144.142
addnode=188.234.176.67
addnode=188.40.78.31
addnode=195.33.213.195
addnode=201.75.10.109
addnode=203.206.160.157
addnode=203.59.236.69
addnode=204.27.59.90
addnode=210.195.255.142
addnode=211.104.154.2
addnode=211.197.11.6
addnode=212.3.130.134
addnode=213.138.83.30
addnode=213.149.102.189
addnode=213.238.102.98
addnode=213.80.223.108
addnode=23.118.79.28
addnode=27.253.50.0
addnode=31.128.224.236
addnode=31.46.80.228
addnode=37.113.252.144
addnode=46.147.193.168
addnode=46.39.230.156
addnode=5.228.233.54
addnode=51.15.164.53
addnode=52.220.28.103
addnode=59.127.206.103
addnode=60.236.52.95
addnode=60.240.73.244
addnode=62.210.110.181
addnode=66.108.15.5
addnode=68.149.134.110
addnode=68.168.176.187
addnode=68.196.244.12
addnode=70.123.136.189
addnode=71.197.2.127
addnode=71.201.209.44
addnode=73.168.84.118
addnode=73.192.150.91
addnode=73.193.229.94
addnode=73.237.102.32
addnode=73.76.16.176
addnode=73.83.37.91
addnode=73.93.57.169
addnode=74.12.138.56
addnode=75.109.71.168
addnode=77.108.125.114
addnode=78.137.5.155
addnode=78.46.227.52
addnode=79.111.10.57
addnode=79.113.31.42
addnode=79.165.206.181
addnode=79.191.155.236
addnode=80.237.29.60
addnode=80.242.85.209
addnode=81.154.133.208
addnode=82.149.3.111
addnode=82.40.170.244
addnode=83.87.39.91
addnode=84.0.232.9
addnode=84.138.129.203
addnode=85.167.102.241
addnode=85.214.152.3
addnode=86.154.242.28
addnode=86.188.50.0
addnode=86.200.44.101
addnode=87.113.210.102
addnode=87.93.66.246
addnode=88.153.26.199
addnode=88.164.70.252
addnode=88.99.226.34
addnode=88.99.5.208
addnode=89.178.1.191
addnode=89.47.15.113
addnode=91.240.208.235
addnode=93.126.95.110
addnode=94.130.19.114
addnode=95.19.130.112
addnode=95.21.108.82
addnode=95.21.110.193
addnode=95.70.43.122
addnode=95.70.92.93

Lastly, about your test swap not working, find out if you already have 6 confirmations.
If not you must wait for them.
If your wallet is not syncing, then your swap will definitely not work till its fully synced since your wallet isnt connected to the rest of the network.
Give me feedback on telegram or slack after you try my suggestion. Please be meticulous

It is @SolarisDev's utmost hope that everybody receives their coins safely in full. thus swap will proceed till the last month of this year.
There is more time to get help.

However if your XLR is on cryptopia then you have just a few days to swap them or else Cryptopia will delist XLR and getting your balance back through support may be difficult

DextroFree

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Activity: 11

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Quote from: Texto on October 09, 2017, 12:21:51 PM

Quote from: LycheeBit on October 09, 2017, 11:45:33 AM

Quote from: Texto on October 09, 2017, 10:48:18 AM

How to mine this coin on the new network??

You can mine on LycheeBit

Stratum : lycheebit.com:3739
User : YOUR_XLR_ADDRESS
Password : c=XLR_XEVAN

Exemple of CCMiner command line :

Code:

ccminer.exe -a xevan -o stratum+tcp://lycheebit.com:3739 -u SbzG7EdRAQbn5zqWiGFicm8u8C37UMxUTc -p c=XLR_XEVAN

Link for ccminer with xevan algo :
https://github.com/krnlx/ccminer-xevan/releases

I tried it, not working with AMD GPU Sad

So use SGminer miner for AMD, like for almost every other coin? The correct one is the even first google result. Even i you just google xevan amd miner.

How many seconds did you invest in trying to find an answer to your questions? Zero?

einherjar

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I am trying to synch the old nist5 wallet in order to transfer some coins from the exchange to swap them, but it's been stuck on 0 peers for hours, never established connection.
I have tried adding the nodes posted on the first page by op but the result was the same.
Are there any working nodes i can add to the config file ?
I also tried sending a test swap directly from the exchange to the swap address the site provided me, never received any coins on the new chain, i guess that doesn't at all.

Texto

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Quote from: LycheeBit on October 09, 2017, 11:45:33 AM

Quote from: Texto on October 09, 2017, 10:48:18 AM

How to mine this coin on the new network??

You can mine on LycheeBit

Stratum : lycheebit.com:3739
User : YOUR_XLR_ADDRESS
Password : c=XLR_XEVAN

Exemple of CCMiner command line :

Code:

ccminer.exe -a xevan -o stratum+tcp://lycheebit.com:3739 -u SbzG7EdRAQbn5zqWiGFicm8u8C37UMxUTc -p c=XLR_XEVAN

Link for ccminer with xevan algo :
https://github.com/krnlx/ccminer-xevan/releases

I tried it, not working with AMD GPU Sad

tek-g

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Quote from: keesdewit on October 09, 2017, 10:57:03 AM

Because when we started there were no masternodes. So we cannot enforce something that does not happen. Now that we have enough masternodes we can enable it. Its just how it technically works.

Thanks for the clarification. Any idea when you anticipate that happening? Makes sense tho, just curious. Thanks for the reply, appreciate it.

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MAybe I missed the post. But what about chain split and mined coins on split. Waste of time or maybe dev will compensate if he will have unswapped coins left after swap?

LycheeBit

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Quote from: Texto on October 09, 2017, 10:48:18 AM

How to mine this coin on the new network??

You can mine on LycheeBit

Stratum : lycheebit.com:3739
User : YOUR_XLR_ADDRESS
Password : c=XLR_XEVAN

Exemple of CCMiner command line :

Code:

ccminer.exe -a xevan -o stratum+tcp://lycheebit.com:3739 -u SbzG7EdRAQbn5zqWiGFicm8u8C37UMxUTc -p c=XLR_XEVAN

Link for ccminer with xevan algo :
https://github.com/krnlx/ccminer-xevan/releases

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