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Quote from: MinerHQ on March 02, 2018, 09:20:53 PM

Quote from: emberbekas on March 02, 2018, 04:46:18 AM

Quote from: MinerHQ on March 01, 2018, 08:36:15 PM

Quote from: Bitinity on March 01, 2018, 12:26:51 AM

But in other case, if a user without any deposits which mean only trying to use faucet to make money then I think the site reserves the right to block the account/withdrawal. All sites has their own rules about it, so users should follow the rules unless the rules are added after such condition.

I don't agree with this part because the user didn't do anything wrong here because he/she was allowed to claim a faucet and with that money, they played to earn money. As long as they didn't cheat the system they suppose to get their money.

If the owner thinks that that person didn't deposit money for quite some time then why did they allowed them to claim the faucet money?

Don't you think something wrong with their faucet claim system?

Yes, the ability of users to claim faucets even though they are potentially not able to withdraw the winning money earned is a dilemma for both parties. The only way out for this problem in my opinion is to tweak the faucet system. The faucet feature should only appear only on qualified accounts. As for those who do not meet the requirements, the faucet feature should not be displayed. Indeed this would need extra works, but at least this is a solution that I think makes sense.

Btw, the 23th billion bets promotion is coming soon! Good luck to all of us!

Yes, that is what I'm trying to say but it looks Bitsler don't want to hear community feedback and no one from their support team is commenting on this issue. That means now on we will not see any accounts are blocked.

Any bitsler support team members confirm on this issue?

May be the team also working on this

so we should wait

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Quote from: emberbekas on March 02, 2018, 04:46:18 AM

Quote from: MinerHQ on March 01, 2018, 08:36:15 PM

Quote from: Bitinity on March 01, 2018, 12:26:51 AM

But in other case, if a user without any deposits which mean only trying to use faucet to make money then I think the site reserves the right to block the account/withdrawal. All sites has their own rules about it, so users should follow the rules unless the rules are added after such condition.

I don't agree with this part because the user didn't do anything wrong here because he/she was allowed to claim a faucet and with that money, they played to earn money. As long as they didn't cheat the system they suppose to get their money.

If the owner thinks that that person didn't deposit money for quite some time then why did they allowed them to claim the faucet money?

Don't you think something wrong with their faucet claim system?

Yes, the ability of users to claim faucets even though they are potentially not able to withdraw the winning money earned is a dilemma for both parties. The only way out for this problem in my opinion is to tweak the faucet system. The faucet feature should only appear only on qualified accounts. As for those who do not meet the requirements, the faucet feature should not be displayed. Indeed this would need extra works, but at least this is a solution that I think makes sense.

Btw, the 23th billion bets promotion is coming soon! Good luck to all of us!

Yes, that is what I'm trying to say but it looks Bitsler don't want to hear community feedback and no one from their support team is commenting on this issue. That means now on we will not see any accounts are blocked.

Any bitsler support team members confirm on this issue?

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Quote from: MinerHQ on March 01, 2018, 08:36:15 PM

Quote from: Bitinity on March 01, 2018, 12:26:51 AM

But in other case, if a user without any deposits which mean only trying to use faucet to make money then I think the site reserves the right to block the account/withdrawal. All sites has their own rules about it, so users should follow the rules unless the rules are added after such condition.

I don't agree with this part because the user didn't do anything wrong here because he/she was allowed to claim a faucet and with that money, they played to earn money. As long as they didn't cheat the system they suppose to get their money.

If the owner thinks that that person didn't deposit money for quite some time then why did they allowed them to claim the faucet money?

Don't you think something wrong with their faucet claim system?

Agree with your point

According to natural justice if you have the rule to deposite first than should not enable faucet without depositing, if allow to claim faucet means should allow withdraw also.

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Quote from: emberbekas on March 02, 2018, 04:46:18 AM

Quote from: MinerHQ on March 01, 2018, 08:36:15 PM

Quote from: Bitinity on March 01, 2018, 12:26:51 AM

But in other case, if a user without any deposits which mean only trying to use faucet to make money then I think the site reserves the right to block the account/withdrawal. All sites has their own rules about it, so users should follow the rules unless the rules are added after such condition.

I don't agree with this part because the user didn't do anything wrong here because he/she was allowed to claim a faucet and with that money, they played to earn money. As long as they didn't cheat the system they suppose to get their money.

If the owner thinks that that person didn't deposit money for quite some time then why did they allowed them to claim the faucet money?

Don't you think something wrong with their faucet claim system?

Yes, the ability of users to claim faucets even though they are potentially not able to withdraw the winning money earned is a dilemma for both parties. The only way out for this problem in my opinion is to tweak the faucet system. The faucet feature should only appear only on qualified accounts. As for those who do not meet the requirements, the faucet feature should not be displayed. Indeed this would need extra works, but at least this is a solution that I think makes sense.

Btw, the 23th billion bets promotion is coming soon! Good luck to all of us!

Joined game just but excited for 23th billion bets promotion Cheesy

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Quote from: MinerHQ on March 01, 2018, 08:36:15 PM

Quote from: Bitinity on March 01, 2018, 12:26:51 AM

But in other case, if a user without any deposits which mean only trying to use faucet to make money then I think the site reserves the right to block the account/withdrawal. All sites has their own rules about it, so users should follow the rules unless the rules are added after such condition.

I don't agree with this part because the user didn't do anything wrong here because he/she was allowed to claim a faucet and with that money, they played to earn money. As long as they didn't cheat the system they suppose to get their money.

If the owner thinks that that person didn't deposit money for quite some time then why did they allowed them to claim the faucet money?

Don't you think something wrong with their faucet claim system?

Yes, the ability of users to claim faucets even though they are potentially not able to withdraw the winning money earned is a dilemma for both parties. The only way out for this problem in my opinion is to tweak the faucet system. The faucet feature should only appear only on qualified accounts. As for those who do not meet the requirements, the faucet feature should not be displayed. Indeed this would need extra works, but at least this is a solution that I think makes sense.

Btw, the 23th billion bets promotion is coming soon! Good luck to all of us!

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Quote from: Bitinity on March 01, 2018, 12:26:51 AM

But in other case, if a user without any deposits which mean only trying to use faucet to make money then I think the site reserves the right to block the account/withdrawal. All sites has their own rules about it, so users should follow the rules unless the rules are added after such condition.

I don't agree with this part because the user didn't do anything wrong here because he/she was allowed to claim a faucet and with that money, they played to earn money. As long as they didn't cheat the system they suppose to get their money.

If the owner thinks that that person didn't deposit money for quite some time then why did they allowed them to claim the faucet money?

Don't you think something wrong with their faucet claim system?

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Guys don't turn this dialogue in war between me and you Cheesy

If you have any problems, then ask to Baryom. I explained what was possible to do with faucet and for what kind of users. I think everything is clear. I amn't against play money, if you read my old posts (I doubt but...) you can see that once I suggested that to bitsler.
Let's finish this or don't quote to me, I amn't owner.

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Quote from: MinerHQ on February 28, 2018, 08:36:17 PM

Quote from: shield132 on February 28, 2018, 06:04:20 PM

Finally: You can use faucet as you wish, withdraw your wins if you are real/active player on bitsler. If you want to make free money from it, then you will be banned. Is there any doubts here again? I think everything is clear and what bitsler does is 100% fair.

Tell me what users did wrong when they can able to make a money with the faucet money?

If it is not for making money then why do we need faucet money in the first place?

If you think that users are only playing with faucet money then you should block those accounts after certain free claims and active them only after depositing a certain amount. But blocking their withdrawals looks like not fair.

Making money from faucet is OK as long as user is not abusing it, lets say a user usually make deposit but one time he out of fund then use the faucet and so lucky to win big from it. In this case, it would not be fair if the site block the account.
But in other case, if a user without any deposits which mean only trying to use faucet to make money then I think the site reserves the right to block the account/withdrawal. All sites has their own rules about it, so users should follow the rules unless the rules are added after such condition.

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Quote from: shield132 on February 28, 2018, 06:04:20 PM

Finally: You can use faucet as you wish, withdraw your wins if you are real/active player on bitsler. If you want to make free money from it, then you will be banned. Is there any doubts here again? I think everything is clear and what bitsler does is 100% fair.

Tell me what users did wrong when they can able to make a money with the faucet money?

If it is not for making money then why do we need faucet money in the first place?

If you think that users are only playing with faucet money then you should block those accounts after certain free claims and active them only after depositing a certain amount. But blocking their withdrawals looks like not fair.

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Quote from: shield132 on February 28, 2018, 06:04:20 PM

Quote from: chris200x9 on February 28, 2018, 04:25:14 AM

Quote from: NeuroticFish on February 28, 2018, 04:06:04 AM

What is not normal (and many don't understand this) is to play day after day only with faucet money, then one day, when the luck strikes big, try to withdraw that. That's an attempt to abuse the kindness of the ones giving free coins to have fun for free for a while.

I understand your point of view but gambling site shouldn't allow faucet abusers to claim money itself instead of blocking their withdrawals.

If they don't want people to make money from faucet then they should remove faucet and allow to play with some play money means dummy money.

But if they allow people to claim faucet and by luck some of them make money and site don't allow them to withdraw then it is not good away to control abusers because it gives a wrong image to the site.

They should allow few claims in a day based on their level but by luck, if people turn that faucet money to withdrawal level then they should allow. It is just my opinion.

To be fair so much "discussion" spams this thread now.
I can't understand what you mean: gambling site shouldn't alloe faucet abusers to claim money. Faucet is open for everyone, so everyone can win from it but if you abuse and abuse, you will be blocked and your withdraw request will be frozen. You can use faucet for gambling expetience, not for money earning source. If you are looking for last one, there are websites for that, for example freebitco.in
Finally: You can use faucet as you wish, withdraw your wins if you are real/active player on bitsler. If you want to make free money from it, then you will be banned. Is there any doubts here again? I think everything is clear and what bitsler does is 100% fair.

What is considered abuse however?

Basically some people are not faucet farmers or abusers. Let's say someone makes a new account and claims the faucet once and somehow with a streak of good luck turns that faucet into 1 BTC.

Will he be able to withdraw that 1 BTC? Most likely not and did he abuse the faucet? No.

Hence it's better to get rid of it and introduce play/demo money instead.

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Quote from: chris200x9 on February 28, 2018, 04:25:14 AM

Quote from: NeuroticFish on February 28, 2018, 04:06:04 AM

What is not normal (and many don't understand this) is to play day after day only with faucet money, then one day, when the luck strikes big, try to withdraw that. That's an attempt to abuse the kindness of the ones giving free coins to have fun for free for a while.

I understand your point of view but gambling site shouldn't allow faucet abusers to claim money itself instead of blocking their withdrawals.

If they don't want people to make money from faucet then they should remove faucet and allow to play with some play money means dummy money.

But if they allow people to claim faucet and by luck some of them make money and site don't allow them to withdraw then it is not good away to control abusers because it gives a wrong image to the site.

They should allow few claims in a day based on their level but by luck, if people turn that faucet money to withdrawal level then they should allow. It is just my opinion.

To be fair so much "discussion" spams this thread now.
I can't understand what you mean: gambling site shouldn't alloe faucet abusers to claim money. Faucet is open for everyone, so everyone can win from it but if you abuse and abuse, you will be blocked and your withdraw request will be frozen. You can use faucet for gambling expetience, not for money earning source. If you are looking for last one, there are websites for that, for example freebitco.in
Finally: You can use faucet as you wish, withdraw your wins if you are real/active player on bitsler. If you want to make free money from it, then you will be banned. Is there any doubts here again? I think everything is clear and what bitsler does is 100% fair.

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on February 28, 2018, 04:06:04 AM

Quote from: shield132 on February 27, 2018, 06:30:43 PM

Also there is no need to lose any amount on bitsler to claim winnings fron faucet, you just have to deposit/play here, be a real player, not faucet abuser.

Faucet has clear use cases for most gambling sites.
The first use is to give new players a taste of how the site works and how's the game there. It's the sue for advertising.
The second use is for the seasoned players. While they are waiting for a Bitcoin transfer to come in for the real play, they will play a bit with faucet money.

What is not normal (and many don't understand this) is to play day after day only with faucet money, then one day, when the luck strikes big, try to withdraw that. That's an attempt to abuse the kindness of the ones giving free coins to have fun for free for a while.

I agree ,faucet,unlike play money,allows new users to get the real feel of the game
many will deposit after winning (and losing) some real money for free to try and replicate their success or strategy with their deposit money
unfortunately,many abusers are eager to sit 24/7 trying to get something out of the faucet
this sort of "players" do not think of casinos as gambling sites but sources of their daily income instead
this way spoiling it for all the legitimate users,since the restrictions apply to everyone

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on February 28, 2018, 04:06:04 AM

What is not normal (and many don't understand this) is to play day after day only with faucet money, then one day, when the luck strikes big, try to withdraw that. That's an attempt to abuse the kindness of the ones giving free coins to have fun for free for a while.

I understand your point of view but gambling site shouldn't allow faucet abusers to claim money itself instead of blocking their withdrawals.

If they don't want people to make money from faucet then they should remove faucet and allow to play with some play money means dummy money.

But if they allow people to claim faucet and by luck some of them make money and site don't allow them to withdraw then it is not good away to control abusers because it gives a wrong image to the site.

They should allow few claims in a day based on their level but by luck, if people turn that faucet money to withdrawal level then they should allow. It is just my opinion.

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Quote from: shield132 on February 27, 2018, 06:30:43 PM

Also there is no need to lose any amount on bitsler to claim winnings fron faucet, you just have to deposit/play here, be a real player, not faucet abuser.

Faucet has clear use cases for most gambling sites.
The first use is to give new players a taste of how the site works and how's the game there. It's the sue for advertising.
The second use is for the seasoned players. While they are waiting for a Bitcoin transfer to come in for the real play, they will play a bit with faucet money.

What is not normal (and many don't understand this) is to play day after day only with faucet money, then one day, when the luck strikes big, try to withdraw that. That's an attempt to abuse the kindness of the ones giving free coins to have fun for free for a while.

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Quote from: adaseb on February 27, 2018, 04:32:47 PM

Quote from: Harlot on February 27, 2018, 12:11:33 PM

Quote from: nydiacaskey01 on February 27, 2018, 11:11:32 AM

Quote from: Turan100 on February 27, 2018, 06:58:22 AM

what about the loyalty of the clients ?

Every type of business values clients who are loyal to them, because loyal clients means continued patronage of their business, continued patronage of their business means money will continue to flow. However, for faucet farmers, that's a different case because no money will come in since its they are playing with free money from the site. I hope you case is different and hoping for a quick resolution.

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They won't be banning your free claims on your faucet if you are also giving back to Bitsler, and when I say giving back you are also depositing your own money when you are playing with Bitsler, if you have been loyal to Bitsler without even depositing your own money I don't think we can call it fair as you are abusing the feature of it. Let see if your issue with Bitsler will be resolve.

This is why it's best to disable or remove the faucet all together and just introduce some "play" or "demo" bitcoins just to try out the site.

Because many faucet abusers, play until they win big, then make a deposit and try to withdraw their winnings and initial deposit.

Having play money would fix all these issues. However it probably requires a lot of programming internally so it's just easier to monitor and block withdraws.

Do you mean playing money similar of fortunejack?
It don't requires a lot of programming. But then you ask why don't they do this? As baryom said, he don't sees any need of this + they want to keep faucet. Just look, faucet is what makes Legendary rank very attractive.
Also there is no need to lose any amount on bitsler to claim winnings fron faucet, you just have to deposit/play here, be a real player, not faucet abuser.

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Quote from: adaseb on February 27, 2018, 04:32:47 PM

Quote from: Harlot on February 27, 2018, 12:11:33 PM

Quote from: nydiacaskey01 on February 27, 2018, 11:11:32 AM

Quote from: Turan100 on February 27, 2018, 06:58:22 AM

what about the loyalty of the clients ?

Every type of business values clients who are loyal to them, because loyal clients means continued patronage of their business, continued patronage of their business means money will continue to flow. However, for faucet farmers, that's a different case because no money will come in since its they are playing with free money from the site. I hope you case is different and hoping for a quick resolution.

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Baryom

They won't be banning your free claims on your faucet if you are also giving back to Bitsler, and when I say giving back you are also depositing your own money when you are playing with Bitsler, if you have been loyal to Bitsler without even depositing your own money I don't think we can call it fair as you are abusing the feature of it. Let see if your issue with Bitsler will be resolve.

This is why it's best to disable or remove the faucet all together and just introduce some "play" or "demo" bitcoins just to try out the site.

Because many faucet abusers, play until they win big, then make a deposit and try to withdraw their winnings and initial deposit.

Having play money would fix all these issues. However it probably requires a lot of programming internally so it's just easier to monitor and block withdraws.

This has been suggested many times but yet most gambling sites do still offer such faucet.This is the fastest way on hooking up a potential gambler or customer to the site and talking about abusers it cant be avoided because no matter how a gambling site would get rid of it,they wont be completely to be stopped on abusing the system but I have seen most gambling sites do have solutions to these abusers.If you are banned because of such act then don't bother for them to resolve you account.

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Quote from: Harlot on February 27, 2018, 12:11:33 PM

Quote from: nydiacaskey01 on February 27, 2018, 11:11:32 AM

Quote from: Turan100 on February 27, 2018, 06:58:22 AM

what about the loyalty of the clients ?

Every type of business values clients who are loyal to them, because loyal clients means continued patronage of their business, continued patronage of their business means money will continue to flow. However, for faucet farmers, that's a different case because no money will come in since its they are playing with free money from the site. I hope you case is different and hoping for a quick resolution.

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Baryom

They won't be banning your free claims on your faucet if you are also giving back to Bitsler, and when I say giving back you are also depositing your own money when you are playing with Bitsler, if you have been loyal to Bitsler without even depositing your own money I don't think we can call it fair as you are abusing the feature of it. Let see if your issue with Bitsler will be resolve.

This is why it's best to disable or remove the faucet all together and just introduce some "play" or "demo" bitcoins just to try out the site.

Because many faucet abusers, play until they win big, then make a deposit and try to withdraw their winnings and initial deposit.

Having play money would fix all these issues. However it probably requires a lot of programming internally so it's just easier to monitor and block withdraws.

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Quote from: nydiacaskey01 on February 27, 2018, 11:11:32 AM

Quote from: Turan100 on February 27, 2018, 06:58:22 AM

what about the loyalty of the clients ?

Every type of business values clients who are loyal to them, because loyal clients means continued patronage of their business, continued patronage of their business means money will continue to flow. However, for faucet farmers, that's a different case because no money will come in since its they are playing with free money from the site. I hope you case is different and hoping for a quick resolution.

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Baryom

They won't be banning your free claims on your faucet if you are also giving back to Bitsler, and when I say giving back you are also depositing your own money when you are playing with Bitsler, if you have been loyal to Bitsler without even depositing your own money I don't think we can call it fair as you are abusing the feature of it. Let see if your issue with Bitsler will be resolve.

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Quote from: Turan100 on February 27, 2018, 10:54:46 AM

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Quote from: Turan100 on February 26, 2018, 06:49:15 PM

Hello Bistler admins , i ask you to review an isseu with my acount that you didn't salve it when i asked you in support email .
last week when i submit a withdraw( after playing with my dispose money ) i wanted to play again with faucet , and this message has shown : you're not allowed to get any faucet .
after contacting suport about that they said you are faucet farmer !!! i used to play with faucet when i had no balance or i lost my balance at your website but when i have balance i play with dispose since my registration in 2016 , you could check my dispose section and see how many time did i dispose and how much money i did dispose and see my profit balance in all crrypto-curriences !

account :saidovic20

They have never tolerate any faucet farmer here, not just on bitsler but most site never want to do this. If I think this logically, you are being labelled as faucet farmer, that means you have make low deposit amount and have only do low wagered which is you are getting banned. This is pretty common reason why your account do get banned. May be if you make deposit and try to wagered a lot this might not happened

did you check my cachier for the deposits and wagering amount or you just talk , i'm on the level 10+ and i have wager more than
3.25703228 btc + 0.6 eth +5 ltc +2985739 Dogecoin this is equevalent of 52K$ and my deposit is more than 3 BTC

Yes, you have really huge wagered and I admit that but you shouls really consider about abusing the faucet. Lets say you are an average people to deposit more than 3 btc but why you still claiming the faucet? This is ridiculous to think that you are out of your money so you keep on claiming the faucet

the answer is simple , i play with faucet only the days when i have no money to wager , you still think that i won everytime when i play with faucet
tha maximum amount that i win from faucet is 0.004 btc

automatic detection systems do not discriminate,they must have a certain threshold
when you reach it (in terms of free money won or withdrawn) your faucet is removed
you can play with your deposits still,they just disable your faucet thats it
as it has been suggested-contact admins and support,but I don't think they will bend the rules they created

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