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Quote from: nydiacaskey01 on March 03, 2018, 10:58:22 PM

I found this post of Baryom from Bitsler forum that might help answer some question about faucets and its limitations that was raised here. https://forum.bitsler.com/topic/view/0678c766b7 Hope it helps.

In that post, he mentioned that - Only for earnings from faucets, we reserve the right not to authorize withdrawals.

It is very clear that their faucet money is something like a play money because players can't make money out of it.

Whoever playing with their faucet money better don't waste your time.

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I found this post of Baryom from Bitsler forum that might help answer some question about faucets and its limitations that was raised here. https://forum.bitsler.com/topic/view/0678c766b7 Hope it helps.

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Quote from: StelioKontos on March 03, 2018, 01:04:55 PM

Quote from: BTCevo on March 03, 2018, 08:24:15 AM

I do not think bitsler team can do this thing, the purpose of faucet is for people to test the site and I believe there is tons of players still want to join bitsler community and played so if they do not try the site at first, how are you going to let them come into the house and play? I also see that the one that abuse is mostly have multiple accounts which is probably have the same ip. I would suggest to make some limit on their ip and their account to claim the faucet, if this not to be done, it will just like that forever

For every casinò is always been this way:

(1) Faucet serves to build addiction to gambling too, it gives the newcomer the taste of the hope of a winning. Later on the newcomer will think "what if I start with a bigger balance? Maybe my odds to win will be higher" we can imagine how this process will potentially turn into a profit for the casinò.

(2) On the other hand the user can be satisfied with the small initial balance given by the faucet, his odds to win are very small and he will try hard to keep the addiction at bay. He can't abuse more than the limits per day of the system and the very small quantity of coins received.

Those are two sides of the same medal. There is a saying "you can't have the wife drunk and the cask full at the same time" meaning even if you wanted only (1) you have to keep (2) in the game. In the same way if you wanted only (2) you have to handle (1) too.

I guess in the end the net profit from (1) minus (2) is positive because I've seen pratically all casinò have this faucet feature turned on.

I think you are spot on where you mention how a Bitcoin faucet is suppose to cause an addiction to the site and hopefully lead to an actual deposit with live funds.

This is very similiar to how a real physical casino works. Many games at a table might have a very low bet value. Reason why casinos do this is so someone can win big from a small bet and later go on and wager larger amounts.

However lately the faucets have been getting out of hand where casinos are losing 5-10 BTC a day on faucet claims.

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Quote from: BTCevo on March 03, 2018, 08:24:15 AM

I do not think bitsler team can do this thing, the purpose of faucet is for people to test the site and I believe there is tons of players still want to join bitsler community and played so if they do not try the site at first, how are you going to let them come into the house and play? I also see that the one that abuse is mostly have multiple accounts which is probably have the same ip. I would suggest to make some limit on their ip and their account to claim the faucet, if this not to be done, it will just like that forever

For every casinò is always been this way:

(1) Faucet serves to build addiction to gambling too, it gives the newcomer the taste of the hope of a winning. Later on the newcomer will think "what if I start with a bigger balance? Maybe my odds to win will be higher" we can imagine how this process will potentially turn into a profit for the casinò.

(2) On the other hand the user can be satisfied with the small initial balance given by the faucet, his odds to win are very small and he will try hard to keep the addiction at bay. He can't abuse more than the limits per day of the system and the very small quantity of coins received.

Those are two sides of the same medal. There is a saying "you can't have the wife drunk and the cask full at the same time" meaning even if you wanted only (1) you have to keep (2) in the game. In the same way if you wanted only (2) you have to handle (1) too.

I guess in the end the net profit from (1) minus (2) is positive because I've seen pratically all casinò have this faucet feature turned on.

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Quote from: emberbekas on March 02, 2018, 04:46:18 AM

Quote from: MinerHQ on March 01, 2018, 08:36:15 PM

Quote from: Bitinity on March 01, 2018, 12:26:51 AM

But in other case, if a user without any deposits which mean only trying to use faucet to make money then I think the site reserves the right to block the account/withdrawal. All sites has their own rules about it, so users should follow the rules unless the rules are added after such condition.

I don't agree with this part because the user didn't do anything wrong here because he/she was allowed to claim a faucet and with that money, they played to earn money. As long as they didn't cheat the system they suppose to get their money.

If the owner thinks that that person didn't deposit money for quite some time then why did they allowed them to claim the faucet money?

Don't you think something wrong with their faucet claim system?

Yes, the ability of users to claim faucets even though they are potentially not able to withdraw the winning money earned is a dilemma for both parties. The only way out for this problem in my opinion is to tweak the faucet system. The faucet feature should only appear only on qualified accounts. As for those who do not meet the requirements, the faucet feature should not be displayed. Indeed this would need extra works, but at least this is a solution that I think makes sense.

Btw, the 23th billion bets promotion is coming soon! Good luck to all of us!

I do not think bitsler team can do this thing, the purpose of faucet is for people to test the site and I believe there is tons of players still want to join bitsler community and played so if they do not try the site at first, how are you going to let them come into the house and play? I also see that the one that abuse is mostly have multiple accounts which is probably have the same ip. I would suggest to make some limit on their ip and their account to claim the faucet, if this not to be done, it will just like that forever

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Quote from: MinerHQ on March 02, 2018, 09:20:53 PM

Quote from: emberbekas on March 02, 2018, 04:46:18 AM

Quote from: MinerHQ on March 01, 2018, 08:36:15 PM

Quote from: Bitinity on March 01, 2018, 12:26:51 AM

But in other case, if a user without any deposits which mean only trying to use faucet to make money then I think the site reserves the right to block the account/withdrawal. All sites has their own rules about it, so users should follow the rules unless the rules are added after such condition.

I don't agree with this part because the user didn't do anything wrong here because he/she was allowed to claim a faucet and with that money, they played to earn money. As long as they didn't cheat the system they suppose to get their money.

If the owner thinks that that person didn't deposit money for quite some time then why did they allowed them to claim the faucet money?

Don't you think something wrong with their faucet claim system?

Yes, the ability of users to claim faucets even though they are potentially not able to withdraw the winning money earned is a dilemma for both parties. The only way out for this problem in my opinion is to tweak the faucet system. The faucet feature should only appear only on qualified accounts. As for those who do not meet the requirements, the faucet feature should not be displayed. Indeed this would need extra works, but at least this is a solution that I think makes sense.

Btw, the 23th billion bets promotion is coming soon! Good luck to all of us!

Yes, that is what I'm trying to say but it looks Bitsler don't want to hear community feedback and no one from their support team is commenting on this issue. That means now on we will not see any accounts are blocked.

Any bitsler support team members confirm on this issue?

May be the team also working on this

so we should wait

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Quote from: emberbekas on March 02, 2018, 04:46:18 AM

Quote from: MinerHQ on March 01, 2018, 08:36:15 PM

Quote from: Bitinity on March 01, 2018, 12:26:51 AM

But in other case, if a user without any deposits which mean only trying to use faucet to make money then I think the site reserves the right to block the account/withdrawal. All sites has their own rules about it, so users should follow the rules unless the rules are added after such condition.

I don't agree with this part because the user didn't do anything wrong here because he/she was allowed to claim a faucet and with that money, they played to earn money. As long as they didn't cheat the system they suppose to get their money.

If the owner thinks that that person didn't deposit money for quite some time then why did they allowed them to claim the faucet money?

Don't you think something wrong with their faucet claim system?

Yes, the ability of users to claim faucets even though they are potentially not able to withdraw the winning money earned is a dilemma for both parties. The only way out for this problem in my opinion is to tweak the faucet system. The faucet feature should only appear only on qualified accounts. As for those who do not meet the requirements, the faucet feature should not be displayed. Indeed this would need extra works, but at least this is a solution that I think makes sense.

Btw, the 23th billion bets promotion is coming soon! Good luck to all of us!

Yes, that is what I'm trying to say but it looks Bitsler don't want to hear community feedback and no one from their support team is commenting on this issue. That means now on we will not see any accounts are blocked.

Any bitsler support team members confirm on this issue?

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Quote from: MinerHQ on March 01, 2018, 08:36:15 PM

Quote from: Bitinity on March 01, 2018, 12:26:51 AM

But in other case, if a user without any deposits which mean only trying to use faucet to make money then I think the site reserves the right to block the account/withdrawal. All sites has their own rules about it, so users should follow the rules unless the rules are added after such condition.

I don't agree with this part because the user didn't do anything wrong here because he/she was allowed to claim a faucet and with that money, they played to earn money. As long as they didn't cheat the system they suppose to get their money.

If the owner thinks that that person didn't deposit money for quite some time then why did they allowed them to claim the faucet money?

Don't you think something wrong with their faucet claim system?

Agree with your point

According to natural justice if you have the rule to deposite first than should not enable faucet without depositing, if allow to claim faucet means should allow withdraw also.

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Quote from: emberbekas on March 02, 2018, 04:46:18 AM

Quote from: MinerHQ on March 01, 2018, 08:36:15 PM

Quote from: Bitinity on March 01, 2018, 12:26:51 AM

But in other case, if a user without any deposits which mean only trying to use faucet to make money then I think the site reserves the right to block the account/withdrawal. All sites has their own rules about it, so users should follow the rules unless the rules are added after such condition.

I don't agree with this part because the user didn't do anything wrong here because he/she was allowed to claim a faucet and with that money, they played to earn money. As long as they didn't cheat the system they suppose to get their money.

If the owner thinks that that person didn't deposit money for quite some time then why did they allowed them to claim the faucet money?

Don't you think something wrong with their faucet claim system?

Yes, the ability of users to claim faucets even though they are potentially not able to withdraw the winning money earned is a dilemma for both parties. The only way out for this problem in my opinion is to tweak the faucet system. The faucet feature should only appear only on qualified accounts. As for those who do not meet the requirements, the faucet feature should not be displayed. Indeed this would need extra works, but at least this is a solution that I think makes sense.

Btw, the 23th billion bets promotion is coming soon! Good luck to all of us!

Joined game just but excited for 23th billion bets promotion Cheesy

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Quote from: MinerHQ on March 01, 2018, 08:36:15 PM

Quote from: Bitinity on March 01, 2018, 12:26:51 AM

But in other case, if a user without any deposits which mean only trying to use faucet to make money then I think the site reserves the right to block the account/withdrawal. All sites has their own rules about it, so users should follow the rules unless the rules are added after such condition.

I don't agree with this part because the user didn't do anything wrong here because he/she was allowed to claim a faucet and with that money, they played to earn money. As long as they didn't cheat the system they suppose to get their money.

If the owner thinks that that person didn't deposit money for quite some time then why did they allowed them to claim the faucet money?

Don't you think something wrong with their faucet claim system?

Yes, the ability of users to claim faucets even though they are potentially not able to withdraw the winning money earned is a dilemma for both parties. The only way out for this problem in my opinion is to tweak the faucet system. The faucet feature should only appear only on qualified accounts. As for those who do not meet the requirements, the faucet feature should not be displayed. Indeed this would need extra works, but at least this is a solution that I think makes sense.

Btw, the 23th billion bets promotion is coming soon! Good luck to all of us!

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Quote from: Bitinity on March 01, 2018, 12:26:51 AM

But in other case, if a user without any deposits which mean only trying to use faucet to make money then I think the site reserves the right to block the account/withdrawal. All sites has their own rules about it, so users should follow the rules unless the rules are added after such condition.

I don't agree with this part because the user didn't do anything wrong here because he/she was allowed to claim a faucet and with that money, they played to earn money. As long as they didn't cheat the system they suppose to get their money.

If the owner thinks that that person didn't deposit money for quite some time then why did they allowed them to claim the faucet money?

Don't you think something wrong with their faucet claim system?

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Guys don't turn this dialogue in war between me and you Cheesy

If you have any problems, then ask to Baryom. I explained what was possible to do with faucet and for what kind of users. I think everything is clear. I amn't against play money, if you read my old posts (I doubt but...) you can see that once I suggested that to bitsler.
Let's finish this or don't quote to me, I amn't owner.

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Quote from: MinerHQ on February 28, 2018, 08:36:17 PM

Quote from: shield132 on February 28, 2018, 06:04:20 PM

Finally: You can use faucet as you wish, withdraw your wins if you are real/active player on bitsler. If you want to make free money from it, then you will be banned. Is there any doubts here again? I think everything is clear and what bitsler does is 100% fair.

Tell me what users did wrong when they can able to make a money with the faucet money?

If it is not for making money then why do we need faucet money in the first place?

If you think that users are only playing with faucet money then you should block those accounts after certain free claims and active them only after depositing a certain amount. But blocking their withdrawals looks like not fair.

Making money from faucet is OK as long as user is not abusing it, lets say a user usually make deposit but one time he out of fund then use the faucet and so lucky to win big from it. In this case, it would not be fair if the site block the account.
But in other case, if a user without any deposits which mean only trying to use faucet to make money then I think the site reserves the right to block the account/withdrawal. All sites has their own rules about it, so users should follow the rules unless the rules are added after such condition.

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Quote from: shield132 on February 28, 2018, 06:04:20 PM

Finally: You can use faucet as you wish, withdraw your wins if you are real/active player on bitsler. If you want to make free money from it, then you will be banned. Is there any doubts here again? I think everything is clear and what bitsler does is 100% fair.

Tell me what users did wrong when they can able to make a money with the faucet money?

If it is not for making money then why do we need faucet money in the first place?

If you think that users are only playing with faucet money then you should block those accounts after certain free claims and active them only after depositing a certain amount. But blocking their withdrawals looks like not fair.

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Quote from: shield132 on February 28, 2018, 06:04:20 PM

Quote from: chris200x9 on February 28, 2018, 04:25:14 AM

Quote from: NeuroticFish on February 28, 2018, 04:06:04 AM

What is not normal (and many don't understand this) is to play day after day only with faucet money, then one day, when the luck strikes big, try to withdraw that. That's an attempt to abuse the kindness of the ones giving free coins to have fun for free for a while.

I understand your point of view but gambling site shouldn't allow faucet abusers to claim money itself instead of blocking their withdrawals.

If they don't want people to make money from faucet then they should remove faucet and allow to play with some play money means dummy money.

But if they allow people to claim faucet and by luck some of them make money and site don't allow them to withdraw then it is not good away to control abusers because it gives a wrong image to the site.

They should allow few claims in a day based on their level but by luck, if people turn that faucet money to withdrawal level then they should allow. It is just my opinion.

To be fair so much "discussion" spams this thread now.
I can't understand what you mean: gambling site shouldn't alloe faucet abusers to claim money. Faucet is open for everyone, so everyone can win from it but if you abuse and abuse, you will be blocked and your withdraw request will be frozen. You can use faucet for gambling expetience, not for money earning source. If you are looking for last one, there are websites for that, for example freebitco.in
Finally: You can use faucet as you wish, withdraw your wins if you are real/active player on bitsler. If you want to make free money from it, then you will be banned. Is there any doubts here again? I think everything is clear and what bitsler does is 100% fair.

What is considered abuse however?

Basically some people are not faucet farmers or abusers. Let's say someone makes a new account and claims the faucet once and somehow with a streak of good luck turns that faucet into 1 BTC.

Will he be able to withdraw that 1 BTC? Most likely not and did he abuse the faucet? No.

Hence it's better to get rid of it and introduce play/demo money instead.

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Quote from: chris200x9 on February 28, 2018, 04:25:14 AM

Quote from: NeuroticFish on February 28, 2018, 04:06:04 AM

What is not normal (and many don't understand this) is to play day after day only with faucet money, then one day, when the luck strikes big, try to withdraw that. That's an attempt to abuse the kindness of the ones giving free coins to have fun for free for a while.

I understand your point of view but gambling site shouldn't allow faucet abusers to claim money itself instead of blocking their withdrawals.

If they don't want people to make money from faucet then they should remove faucet and allow to play with some play money means dummy money.

But if they allow people to claim faucet and by luck some of them make money and site don't allow them to withdraw then it is not good away to control abusers because it gives a wrong image to the site.

They should allow few claims in a day based on their level but by luck, if people turn that faucet money to withdrawal level then they should allow. It is just my opinion.

To be fair so much "discussion" spams this thread now.
I can't understand what you mean: gambling site shouldn't alloe faucet abusers to claim money. Faucet is open for everyone, so everyone can win from it but if you abuse and abuse, you will be blocked and your withdraw request will be frozen. You can use faucet for gambling expetience, not for money earning source. If you are looking for last one, there are websites for that, for example freebitco.in
Finally: You can use faucet as you wish, withdraw your wins if you are real/active player on bitsler. If you want to make free money from it, then you will be banned. Is there any doubts here again? I think everything is clear and what bitsler does is 100% fair.

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on February 28, 2018, 04:06:04 AM

Quote from: shield132 on February 27, 2018, 06:30:43 PM

Also there is no need to lose any amount on bitsler to claim winnings fron faucet, you just have to deposit/play here, be a real player, not faucet abuser.

Faucet has clear use cases for most gambling sites.
The first use is to give new players a taste of how the site works and how's the game there. It's the sue for advertising.
The second use is for the seasoned players. While they are waiting for a Bitcoin transfer to come in for the real play, they will play a bit with faucet money.

What is not normal (and many don't understand this) is to play day after day only with faucet money, then one day, when the luck strikes big, try to withdraw that. That's an attempt to abuse the kindness of the ones giving free coins to have fun for free for a while.

I agree ,faucet,unlike play money,allows new users to get the real feel of the game
many will deposit after winning (and losing) some real money for free to try and replicate their success or strategy with their deposit money
unfortunately,many abusers are eager to sit 24/7 trying to get something out of the faucet
this sort of "players" do not think of casinos as gambling sites but sources of their daily income instead
this way spoiling it for all the legitimate users,since the restrictions apply to everyone

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on February 28, 2018, 04:06:04 AM

What is not normal (and many don't understand this) is to play day after day only with faucet money, then one day, when the luck strikes big, try to withdraw that. That's an attempt to abuse the kindness of the ones giving free coins to have fun for free for a while.

I understand your point of view but gambling site shouldn't allow faucet abusers to claim money itself instead of blocking their withdrawals.

If they don't want people to make money from faucet then they should remove faucet and allow to play with some play money means dummy money.

But if they allow people to claim faucet and by luck some of them make money and site don't allow them to withdraw then it is not good away to control abusers because it gives a wrong image to the site.

They should allow few claims in a day based on their level but by luck, if people turn that faucet money to withdrawal level then they should allow. It is just my opinion.

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Quote from: shield132 on February 27, 2018, 06:30:43 PM

Also there is no need to lose any amount on bitsler to claim winnings fron faucet, you just have to deposit/play here, be a real player, not faucet abuser.

Faucet has clear use cases for most gambling sites.
The first use is to give new players a taste of how the site works and how's the game there. It's the sue for advertising.
The second use is for the seasoned players. While they are waiting for a Bitcoin transfer to come in for the real play, they will play a bit with faucet money.

What is not normal (and many don't understand this) is to play day after day only with faucet money, then one day, when the luck strikes big, try to withdraw that. That's an attempt to abuse the kindness of the ones giving free coins to have fun for free for a while.

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