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There's still opinion when you've got to decide on whether it's offside or not and that's why we have officials. It's not always clear cut even with var and what happens when they're on the line. You really can't see millimetres even with var. They brought in the phrase 'clear and obvious error' but that's still open to interpretation and sometimes things are given in one game and not in the other. As for time, that's different. We don't need var for that but refs don't blow the whistle bang on the time they should and let the game run especially if the team is attacking. My issue is is var should only be used when called upon or when there's a serious incident. Don't review everything just because. If the incident is so small that nobody noticed then it's probably irrelevant, and someone being millimetres offside isn't relevant or serious in my opinion and is causing far too much time to be wasted along.



But this is happening far to often and they seem to be running things back longer and longer. I've seen several matches where nearly five minutes have been taken to view the var system.


They need to get rid of this culture of sacking managers after a handful of bad games. Managers don't have time to achieve anything unless you move to the Barca's/Juve's/Man City's of the world. Fergie would have been sacked in his first season if he was a new manager today. What Leicester did to Ranieri did was disgusting. Had they have given him a little longer I'm sure he would have bounced back like they did anyway.

I really don't like LVG, I know i am not objective but I can't stand his smug face drooping blame all around, while never admitting he made some wrong decisions every time his team doesn't get full 3 points.

I quite like the new generation of attacking minded coaches like Klopp, Nagelsmann, Bjelica (Dinamo coach) and even Lampard. I know I will get burned by mentioning Lampard but I like the way Chealsea plays under him and the fact he is giving regular starts to club youngsters. The club can only profit from that in the long run.

They would probably finish outside top 4 with Guardiola and Klopp combined. Their team only has names on paper, it has no balance and no chemistry and Pogba is doing whatever he wants most of the time.

Solskjaer is not their biggest problem, I'm still not sure he actually is a problem - at least for now. They need a better manager, but currently? I feel they have more chance of doing well without major shocks.

^  If they don't give him the sack they finish below the top 4 and potentially finish below it for a couple more years. 

If it were up to me, they should've just stuck with LVG and started a slow rebuild of the club from the back room to the squad.

But Solskjaer is actually doing OK things. I feel that Woodward is a much bigger problem for them than any manager they had so far after Ferguson.

Sack him, ok. What will you do next?

LMAO!!!

Well...  More likely Solksjaer than Emery.  Arsenal sticks with their manager and what should the club expect with their squad compared to the likes of City and LFC?

United on the other hand...

I think it does. It is a rule that is geometric, there are no opinions about it. It either is or is not, imagine if in basketball somebody scored a winning 3-pointer 0.2 seconds too late. You cant say 'well, it's less than half a second, man'.

I'm for it, as long as it looks at an actual play that led to the goal. Not the whole minute before, because if the ball went out of play in the centre and then both teams continued to play and team 1 scores a goal 15 seconds later you cannot disallow a goal because VAR said it was actually out.

I think VAR is going to end up costing a team a victory based on an incorrect decision as well. The Portugal game I linked above got it wrong. There was another match - may have been in the champions league - where the ball went out of play but from an angle that var didn't have access to it looked completely different from the ones they did. Guarantee something major will happen sooner than later.


I haven't heard anyone call to scrap it completely but we don't need forensic analysis to see if someone is millimetres offside and none of the lower leagues get to "benefit" from it either, but them stopping the game to review something will just make it worse as bad as letting them play on. The ball is already almost out of play more than it's in it and it's just getting worse with var. The worse thing is letting the players celebrate then five mins later it's disallowed.


No, but you can be a little bit offside and a toe offside doesn't need to be reviewed.

Sky Sports panelist Graeme Souness on offside. “You can’t be a little bit pregnant can you!?”
If you’re offside then you’re offside.

Well, offside rule is one of the cornerstones of today's football. Level of football is so high that these offside plays are made tight and the players are used to it. I would not tinker with it further, if the rule says that 1mm is enough, it is fine by me. But let's limit it to actual play, not 17 passes before. That is stupid.

If you scrap offside, you can say goodbye to 80% of today's defenders that just aren't fast enough.

It's not var but the rules that need to be changed. Nobody gives a shit if a player is one centimetre off side and we shouldn't be taking minutes out of the game just to decide that. The offside rule was implemented to stop players 'goal hanging' and just waiting for someone to oof the ball up to them but the offside trap just ruins everything. Let players play without having to worry about whether they're off side or not. They should change the rules to allow for some leeway or just scrap var for certain things. If the officials don't pick up on the offside then let it go.

I actually like what Lampard is doing. He switched, losing Christensen was a blow. Transfer ban is hard on Chelsea because you desperately need options, depth and quality and he chose to at least try to get it from young players. I don't really think Abraham will be that big, but Mason Mount is showing signs of brilliance so far.

I like this new Chelsea side, a lot more than I liked these overpriced and disbalanced teams you mostly had since Mourinho left.

It wasn't our day as every decision, starting from our choice of players were just wrong. Lampard display his inexperienced as a manager once again by playing unfit players like Mount and Emerson while benching Christian Pulisic who was phenomenal against Liverpool in Istanbul.

Williams choice of slowing down the play was also costing us an opportunity to counter attack. The game didn't end badly as losing 1:2 to a side like liverpool isn't something we should be ashamed of. I knew we won't win that game although I presume we could score more than ones that's why I went with a 3:2 bet in favor of Liverpool nevertheless it was a great week for me via the pool ranking.

I can understand the disallowed goal for Tottenham against Leicester. Yea, it is unfortunate and it is 1mm, but if we have technology let's use it - even if they say that they cannot measure so accurately even with VAR.

But Chelsea - Liverpool was just against logic and felt plain wrong because the actual goal was very clear and it was disallowed because of a play made 10 seconds ago that did not provide enough advantage to Chelsea.

Yes, I quite agree with you, It becomes very irritating when reviews are to be made every now and then in interesting games. However, that's the price we all have to pay to get a next to fair/correct calls instead having to rue losing an important match/trophy for some wrongs calls that could have been easily prevented by having a second look.

The efficiency of the VAR can still be considered to be suboptimal, mostly due some certain complicated rules guiding the refereeing decisions, but on an average I think it's been a rather progressive invention to the game.

I had the same 2 - 2

The entire round was a disaster for most of us except few. The round was full of upset and exception.
Tottenham lost
Utd Lost (expecting at least a draw)
Newcastle with a draw
Everton lost

And for the 3rd time I got correct score for Liverpool 🤪
Chelsea - Liverpool : 1 - 2
Liverpool - Newcastle : 3 - 1
Liverpool - Arsenal : 3 - 1

My team is the best!

@examplens. Totally quote of the month. I hate kicking people when they're down but you know, you can't even see the fight in them, save the few like Auba who literally dragged everyone by their collars for that incredible performance.

@VAR: Still not a fan, even if it benefits my team. It messes with the flow of the game, it's against the spirit of how football should be. But whatever, we'll just get used to it. Just hope it doesn't screw with us.

Yep, VAR made some good changes and it is important to have certainty in borderline situations but I feel like it is influencing too much currently.

For example, they did not even check that Robinson penalty against Napoli and he touched the ball, or that crazy pull on Matip in the game against Newcastle and that was a clear penalty.

There needs to be some ruleset, if it is on a play by play basis it is not objective.

Lol. I was wondering what that gold star was on your name. To be fair, I think most tipsters would have been wrong this round.


Yeah. Ridiculous. And only a centimetre offside as well. They really need to change the rule. If the Officials don't spot the offence then forget about it. They're letting the game play on for a while in some cases then disallowing the goal which takes another few minutes to review. Five minutes later no goal. The worst one I've seen was the incident in the Portugal game in the worldcup. They gave a penalty to one side, then var gave the penalty at the opposite end of the pitch that wasn't even a penalty in the first place: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1A8n8Ijvplk


Haha. Maybe -0 -0. Two Var disallowed goals takes them into negatives. Either way it's pretty much the only worthwhile game from the next round.

Also you could write that as El Suckico. Both terms are very good at describing involved clubs at the moment.