Topic: Sportsbet.io's English Premier League Football Pool Discussion Thread - page 65. (Read 140643 times)
January 29, 2024, 12:21:49 PM
I think Guardiola and Klopp both are great managers and I feel myself very lucky as we have watched these two managers in the same league for long years. I read some news on the social media last night such as Arteta won't also be managing Arsenal next season. Is there anyone who knows something about this topic? I assume everyone would accept that Arteta leveled up Arsenal as well.
January 29, 2024, 09:10:52 AM
Of course I need 
If I see that one person is digging with a shovel, and another with an excavator, then I must make certain conclusions, but not immediately conclude that the one who is digging with an excavator is a master of working with a shovel. Until no one has seen Guardiola with a shovel, there is no point in talking about how good he is.
If I see that one person is digging with a shovel, and another with an excavator, then I must make certain conclusions, but not immediately conclude that the one who is digging with an excavator is a master of working with a shovel. Until no one has seen Guardiola with a shovel, there is no point in talking about how good he is.
Precisely. If you wanna work with shovels, you take Sean Dyche, not Guardiola.
If you wanna do construction on a high level, good luck with your shovel masters.
You don't need to work with a shovel to be the best in your business. The ones that are mediocre do the shoveling.
It seems we have gone too far in discussing shovels, okay, I understand that if people don’t want to understand each other, they won’t do it
I'll just focus on the facts: Guardiola became the first coach who spent more than two billion on transfers and never coached a team that was not a top team (and even with the top Bayern he failed). Some may assess such achievements as serious, but in my opinion he is a technical figure, nothing more. 
January 29, 2024, 06:47:22 AM
Well finally this shit month without so much Premier League is ending, what a trash to follow, those mixing FA games with some PL games widespread.
Also a troublemaker for Fantasy. And we are nearby to receive again the players who goes to AFC and Asian cup.
Also a troublemaker for Fantasy. And we are nearby to receive again the players who goes to AFC and Asian cup.
Finally tomorrow everything resumes again and there is no better feeling not only for football fans but also for gamblers as the Premier League based on statistics is the league where the majority of bets is held,I assume such fact by watching the bets that I copy from other people and the Premier League games are a huge chunk of those bets.Also for the pool it is great we are resuming as these are the final stages in the sense that only 16 weeks are left to play and the pool is wide open for prize spots positions.
In this season I learned few things about fantasy so hopefully next season could be much better and improved because after every lost we have few new things and I also learn about this all with this journey which is full of entertainment and better knowledge about sports.
January 29, 2024, 06:41:35 AM
Of course I need
If I see that one person is digging with a shovel, and another with an excavator, then I must make certain conclusions, but not immediately conclude that the one who is digging with an excavator is a master of working with a shovel. Until no one has seen Guardiola with a shovel, there is no point in talking about how good he is.
If I see that one person is digging with a shovel, and another with an excavator, then I must make certain conclusions, but not immediately conclude that the one who is digging with an excavator is a master of working with a shovel. Until no one has seen Guardiola with a shovel, there is no point in talking about how good he is.
Precisely. If you wanna work with shovels, you take Sean Dyche, not Guardiola.
If you wanna do construction on a high level, good luck with your shovel masters.
You don't need to work with a shovel to be the best in your business. The ones that are mediocre do the shoveling.
January 29, 2024, 05:33:29 AM
Well finally this shit month without so much Premier League is ending, what a trash to follow, those mixing FA games with some PL games widespread.
Also a troublemaker for Fantasy. And we are nearby to receive again the players who goes to AFC and Asian cup.
Also a troublemaker for Fantasy. And we are nearby to receive again the players who goes to AFC and Asian cup.
Finally tomorrow everything resumes again and there is no better feeling not only for football fans but also for gamblers as the Premier League based on statistics is the league where the majority of bets is held,I assume such fact by watching the bets that I copy from other people and the Premier League games are a huge chunk of those bets.Also for the pool it is great we are resuming as these are the final stages in the sense that only 16 weeks are left to play and the pool is wide open for prize spots positions.
January 29, 2024, 05:06:36 AM
Where should I see greatness here? Or at least proof that he is above average?
In the football his teams are playing, you really don't need to go further than that.
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Of course I need
If I see that one person is digging with a shovel, and another with an excavator, then I must make certain conclusions, but not immediately conclude that the one who is digging with an excavator is a master of working with a shovel. Until no one has seen Guardiola with a shovel, there is no point in talking about how good he is.
January 28, 2024, 05:39:46 PM
Well finally this shit month without so much Premier League is ending, what a trash to follow, those mixing FA games with some PL games widespread.
Also a troublemaker for Fantasy. And we are nearby to receive again the players who goes to AFC and Asian cup.
Also a troublemaker for Fantasy. And we are nearby to receive again the players who goes to AFC and Asian cup.
January 28, 2024, 03:05:51 PM
Where should I see greatness here? Or at least proof that he is above average?
In the football his teams are playing, you really don't need to go further than that.
Just look at the football some teams that spent more money than City have been showing.
He's a tactical revolutionary and his signature is seen on all the teams he's been working with. Sure, he trained the best ones, but what does that mean? That we should doubt Messi as well because he didn't do it on a rainy night in Stoke?
January 28, 2024, 02:59:27 PM
City were champions 2 times between 2008 and 2016 (without Guardiola) and 5 (potentially 6) times with him. Even if he inherited the best team in the world (which he did not, far from it), it would still be an incredible success to achieve such results.
You're trying to split beans for no real reason, most of you agree anyway that he's one of the best coaches football has ever seen.
SAF's dominance in the early PL era was even bigger, but the EPL then was not nearly as competitive as today.
That probably makes Guardiola the most successful manager overall - but yeah - money that he spent to get there will always be something that will diminish the success by a little bit.
I think the most fair assessment of who overachieved the most would be the net amount spent per points won. In the same period they are in the PL, Guardiola won 716 points with a net spend of 700 mil and Klopp won 671 points with a net spend of 250 mil.
That would say that Klopp is the league's lone overachiever, but then again - most of the trophies went Guardiola's way. The same thing happened in Germany.
You're trying to split beans for no real reason, most of you agree anyway that he's one of the best coaches football has ever seen.
SAF's dominance in the early PL era was even bigger, but the EPL then was not nearly as competitive as today.
That probably makes Guardiola the most successful manager overall - but yeah - money that he spent to get there will always be something that will diminish the success by a little bit.
I think the most fair assessment of who overachieved the most would be the net amount spent per points won. In the same period they are in the PL, Guardiola won 716 points with a net spend of 700 mil and Klopp won 671 points with a net spend of 250 mil.
That would say that Klopp is the league's lone overachiever, but then again - most of the trophies went Guardiola's way. The same thing happened in Germany.
Let me disagree. From a scientific point of view, we need more tests to see Guardiola's abilities. The circumstances were such that he started from someone else’s legacy (Rijkaard) and he managed the golden generation of the Spanish national team, which won absolutely everything they could. Then he had Jupe Heikens's Bayern, which dominated the Champions League, and by the way, he failed with it. Then he ended up with a cheating City that flooded everything with money.
Where should I see greatness here? Or at least proof that he is above average?
It is very correct that you mentioned the importance of the funds spent. Guardiola became the first coach in history to spend more than 2 billion on transfers. A small hint at his “qualifications”, right? But I would say that combined with the fact that he already had the greatest teams under management and continued to pour cosmic money into them casts a huge doubt on his abilities as a coach.
January 28, 2024, 01:41:53 PM
At Liverpool he achieved great things and may be at Liverpool will win the title again this year most likely.His work will be remembered as a great one and now the next manager will have a mountain to climb if he wants to win the heart of the heated Liverpool supporters.He needs to become one of them in order to win their hearts.I don't understand this decision but I also don't judge anyone decision to leave a team,maybe he has come to a level where he knows that he has given everything and he feels not anymore motivated to continue,he also ruled out to be coaching a new team in England so I don't know what to think for his future career.
January 28, 2024, 01:19:28 PM
But here's the thing. If the same amount of money was spent to build a team but the manager isn't as good as Guardiola or Klopp, let's say this manager is just 'decent'... Would he achieve as much as Guardiola has acheived in his life time?
Some guys could say yes, some guys could say no and I would get it. But then again that manager could also be given the sack before he's able to achieve what he was set to achieve. There's so much pressure brought on the manager behind the huge sums spent in the transfer market. And only a handful of managers in the world have the skill and the wits to handle it...
Even Zidane's exit showed it could take too much toll.
Some guys could say yes, some guys could say no and I would get it. But then again that manager could also be given the sack before he's able to achieve what he was set to achieve. There's so much pressure brought on the manager behind the huge sums spent in the transfer market. And only a handful of managers in the world have the skill and the wits to handle it...
Even Zidane's exit showed it could take too much toll.
Many teams have tried to buy their ticket to success, especially in the PL. That's why I rate Guardiola (and especially Klopp) - United and Chelsea have spent more than City (and far more than Liverpool), Arsenal is close as well.
Both United and Chelsea are still without a long-term plan, without a visible manager signature on the pitch and without any sort of continuation with their results.
If you look at this United team - f%&k me, inheriting this pile of crap and doing something with it is the hardest job in football. You have 25 drastically overvalued players that haven't played a team game in their last 5 years.
The best thing would be to sell them all and just start over - but of course you can't do that. Chelsea tried and it didn't really work out for them.
The proof of a good coach lies in what they leave behind them as well. Klopp will leave Liverpool in a really good spot, and Guardiola will surely do the same.
January 28, 2024, 12:31:52 PM
Klopp will be missed for sure and not just by Liverpool supporters.
He will be. A brilliant manager. He brought energy and a winner's mentality to Mereyside red and left big boots to be filled by the next manager, that can also get bigger between now and the end of the season. His work at Dortmund was even more impressive.
- Jay -
January 28, 2024, 08:29:35 AM
City were champions 2 times between 2008 and 2016 (without Guardiola) and 5 (potentially 6) times with him. Even if he inherited the best team in the world (which he did not, far from it), it would still be an incredible success to achieve such results.
You're trying to split beans for no real reason, most of you agree anyway that he's one of the best coaches football has ever seen.
SAF's dominance in the early PL era was even bigger, but the EPL then was not nearly as competitive as today.
That probably makes Guardiola the most successful manager overall - but yeah - money that he spent to get there will always be something that will diminish the success by a little bit.
I think the most fair assessment of who overachieved the most would be the net amount spent per points won. In the same period they are in the PL, Guardiola won 716 points with a net spend of 700 mil and Klopp won 671 points with a net spend of 250 mil.
That would say that Klopp is the league's lone overachiever, but then again - most of the trophies went Guardiola's way. The same thing happened in Germany.
You're trying to split beans for no real reason, most of you agree anyway that he's one of the best coaches football has ever seen.
SAF's dominance in the early PL era was even bigger, but the EPL then was not nearly as competitive as today.
That probably makes Guardiola the most successful manager overall - but yeah - money that he spent to get there will always be something that will diminish the success by a little bit.
I think the most fair assessment of who overachieved the most would be the net amount spent per points won. In the same period they are in the PL, Guardiola won 716 points with a net spend of 700 mil and Klopp won 671 points with a net spend of 250 mil.
That would say that Klopp is the league's lone overachiever, but then again - most of the trophies went Guardiola's way. The same thing happened in Germany.
But here's the thing. If the same amount of money was spent to build a team but the manager isn't as good as Guardiola or Klopp, let's say this manager is just 'decent'... Would he achieve as much as Guardiola has acheived in his life time?
Some guys could say yes, some guys could say no and I would get it. But then again that manager could also be given the sack before he's able to achieve what he was set to achieve. There's so much pressure brought on the manager behind the huge sums spent in the transfer market. And only a handful of managers in the world have the skill and the wits to handle it...
Even Zidane's exit showed it could take too much toll.
January 27, 2024, 02:27:03 PM
I don't understand why people have the need to put players and managers into the boxes and label them GOATS or whatever. Both Guardiola and Klopp are among the best in the business and I am glad I had the opportunity to watch their teams play. They are both innovators and they are both playing very watchable football.
Than you have guys like Mourinho that have the results but I would never pay a ticket to watch their team play.
Klopp will be missed for sure and not just by Liverpool supporters.
Than you have guys like Mourinho that have the results but I would never pay a ticket to watch their team play.
Klopp will be missed for sure and not just by Liverpool supporters.
January 27, 2024, 02:16:32 PM
SAF's dominance in the early PL era was even bigger, but the EPL then was not nearly as competitive as today.
That probably makes Guardiola the most successful manager overall - but yeah - money that he spent to get there will always be something that will diminish the success by a little bit.
SAF was very, very dominant during his time. He did face stiff competitions from may top coaches like Wenger with the invincibles and Jose during his first spell with Chelsea. That probably makes Guardiola the most successful manager overall - but yeah - money that he spent to get there will always be something that will diminish the success by a little bit.
Overall you are right, the amount of money available to clubs now and the quality of football is much superior to what we had then, but history always has an appeal to it that the now does not have.
I think the most fair assessment of who overachieved the most would be the net amount spent per points won. In the same period they are in the PL, Guardiola won 716 points with a net spend of 700 mil and Klopp won 671 points with a net spend of 250 mil.
That throws a new perspective to it.- Jay -
January 27, 2024, 01:46:28 PM
City were champions 2 times between 2008 and 2016 (without Guardiola) and 5 (potentially 6) times with him. Even if he inherited the best team in the world (which he did not, far from it), it would still be an incredible success to achieve such results.
You're trying to split beans for no real reason, most of you agree anyway that he's one of the best coaches football has ever seen.
SAF's dominance in the early PL era was even bigger, but the EPL then was not nearly as competitive as today.
That probably makes Guardiola the most successful manager overall - but yeah - money that he spent to get there will always be something that will diminish the success by a little bit.
I think the most fair assessment of who overachieved the most would be the net amount spent per points won. In the same period they are in the PL, Guardiola won 716 points with a net spend of 700 mil and Klopp won 671 points with a net spend of 250 mil.
That would say that Klopp is the league's lone overachiever, but then again - most of the trophies went Guardiola's way. The same thing happened in Germany.
You're trying to split beans for no real reason, most of you agree anyway that he's one of the best coaches football has ever seen.
SAF's dominance in the early PL era was even bigger, but the EPL then was not nearly as competitive as today.
That probably makes Guardiola the most successful manager overall - but yeah - money that he spent to get there will always be something that will diminish the success by a little bit.
I think the most fair assessment of who overachieved the most would be the net amount spent per points won. In the same period they are in the PL, Guardiola won 716 points with a net spend of 700 mil and Klopp won 671 points with a net spend of 250 mil.
That would say that Klopp is the league's lone overachiever, but then again - most of the trophies went Guardiola's way. The same thing happened in Germany.
January 27, 2024, 09:41:39 AM
No, and I already pointed out why not. They only one 2/5 after their first league title, that is not best in the league quality. Those were just league winners at a time when the EPL was looking for the next dominant team after the exit of SAF. They were not the best team in the league until Pep took over and stamped his dominance.
It's over brother
January 27, 2024, 09:09:33 AM
Now you're misquoting me again: when SAF and Mou were fighting for the league title, Manchester City were busy collecting 5-0 and 6-0 every weekend
I was not quoting you there, I was driving my point home. Kindly point me to where I misquoted you before.My point was that since winning their first EPL trophy in 2010/11, Manchester City has been the best team till date. I suppose we're on the same page now.
No, and I already pointed out why not. They only one 2/5 after their first league title, that is not best in the league quality. Those were just league winners at a time when the EPL was looking for the next dominant team after the exit of SAF. They were not the best team in the league until Pep took over and stamped his dominance.- Jay -
January 27, 2024, 08:38:20 AM
Manchester City won their first EPL title under SAF noise in 2011 and has remained the best in England ever since. SAF was able to secure one before he retired...
This does not mean they were the best club in England during the era of Sir Alex nor have they been the best ever since. After theur maiden premier league title, they only won one more for the next four years, that is still a team trying to find their feet.By the numbers; they won 2/5 from the start of their "best in the league" era, and since Pep joined they have won 5/7.
The closest rivalry to Manchester United at the time of SAF was Chelsea under Jose Mourinho.
Now you're misquoting me again: when SAF and Mou were fighting for the league title, Manchester City were busy collecting 5-0 and 6-0 every weekend. My point was that since winning their first EPL trophy in 2010/11, Manchester City has been the best team till date. I suppose we're on the same page now.
January 27, 2024, 08:22:47 AM
Manchester City won their first EPL title under SAF noise in 2011 and has remained the best in England ever since. SAF was able to secure one before he retired...
This does not mean they were the best club in England during the era of Sir Alex nor have they been the best ever since. After theur maiden premier league title, they only won one more for the next four years, that is still a team trying to find their feet.By the numbers; they won 2/5 from the start of their "best in the league" era, and since Pep joined they have won 5/7.
The closest rivalry to Manchester United at the time of SAF was Chelsea under Jose Mourinho.
- Jay -
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