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Quote from: buwaytress on January 20, 2024, 12:09:05 PM

Quick answer as to why others got penalised and City didn't: others admitted and accepted wrongdoing, City has denied each and every one of those 100+ allegations.

Yeah I mean Todd Boehly literally drove the entire Chelsea board to the UEFA office to show them the only time we went against the rule that the UEFA didn't see. I mean this is how a proper club should be run. City deserves to be relegated and strip off some of the league title for cheating On hundred and fifteen times.

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Back to the action, pretty excited to see Toney back in action. He's probably leaving in the summer but I feel he might be convinced to stay one more season with the club that stood by him over the last half-year. No other game more important than tomorrow's though. We need to keep the distance betwixt Gooner and Citeh wide!

He's what Liverpool is lacking but the fans are not ready for this conversation yet.

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Quick answer as to why others got penalised and City didn't: others admitted and accepted wrongdoing, City has denied each and every one of those 100+ allegations.

Back to the action, pretty excited to see Toney back in action. He's probably leaving in the summer but I feel he might be convinced to stay one more season with the club that stood by him over the last half-year. No other game more important than tomorrow's though. We need to keep the distance betwixt Gooner and Citeh wide!

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Quote from: un_rank on January 19, 2024, 12:50:50 PM

Quote from: Igebotz on January 19, 2024, 08:44:55 AM

Pep's next target is PSG; he does not coach a low-budget team.

I have no idea where this agenda came from. A top coach manages top clubs and that becomes an issue? Normally, a coach takes a dip in form before going for a lower job, cause the top jobs are no longer available, they do not take on charity cases.

This is not an agenda; it is what Pep does. Ancelloti was not dip in form when he accepted the Eveton job. Top coaches will occasionally take on difficult tasks to show their ability to succeed with a low-budget team. Pep only works with formidable teams; he cannot last long at a low-budget club.

Quote from: tokeweed on January 20, 2024, 09:39:40 AM

We'll see... I could be wrong but I think he would've already left if he knew the shenanigans at Man City would tarnish his reputation. And I think he was all ready going to leave the club right before Ferran Soriano, Txiki and the oilers had a sit down with him. The next couple of days Guardiola had a press conference and told everybody that he trusts the club did nothing wrong.

What does that mean? The loop hole is air tight. Lolol. But again we'll see...

I bet he looked at the open possibilities and saw nothing positive before retracting his statement. He's an intelligent dude. Saying that if City ever was caught or accused of misconduct, he would walk away, and the next season, they got caught in 115 charges, and Pep became a motivational speaker instead of walking out as promised..

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Quote from: Igebotz on January 19, 2024, 08:44:55 AM

Quote from: tokeweed on January 19, 2024, 07:50:25 AM

It was Guaradiola that's giving a hint that the club could get away with it. He stayed with the club which he would've otherwise quit if he knew City were going to get caught of doing anything illegal. The minute he saw the club's shenanigans were air tight, he stayed. Grin

Pep is a business coach; he has looked at other possibilities in Europe, and there are no open positions at any top-tier club; he was not going to leave Manchester City to sit on the beach waiting for a top-tier job offer. He knew full well that City would not get away with 115 charges; such a large number of charges is difficult to get away with. Pep's next target is PSG; he does not coach a low-budget team.

Their lawyers will defend each one individually; even Saul GoodMan will be unable to help them in this case.

We'll see... I could be wrong but I think he would've already left if he knew the shenanigans at Man City would tarnish his reputation. And I think he was all ready going to leave the club right before Ferran Soriano, Txiki and the oilers had a sit down with him. The next couple of days Guardiola had a press conference and told everybody that he trusts the club did nothing wrong.

What does that mean? The loop hole is air tight. Lolol. But again we'll see...

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Quote from: tokeweed on January 19, 2024, 07:50:25 AM

It was Guaradiola that's giving a hint that the club could get away with it. He stayed with the club which he would've otherwise quit if he knew City were going to get caught of doing anything illegal. The minute he saw the club's shenanigans were air tight, he stayed. Grin

Pep in a statement actually said he was more likely to stay if they got relegated than if they won the treble again.

Quote from: Igebotz on January 19, 2024, 08:44:55 AM

Pep is a business coach; he has looked at other possibilities in Europe, and there are no open positions at any top-tier club; he was not going to leave Manchester City to sit on the beach waiting for a top-tier job offer.

I do not think Pep is a business coach, I honestly do not even think I am sure what that means. Players and coaches work for the pay, of course there is passion involved too, but the pay is a fairly significant factor for them, nothing wrong in that.
Pep can also make an opening in any of the top-tier clubs, except Madrid maybe, and he has no problem staying on the sidelines too, he left Barcelona to rest for a year before going to Bayern.

Quote from: Igebotz on January 19, 2024, 08:44:55 AM

Pep's next target is PSG; he does not coach a low-budget team.

I have no idea where this agenda came from. A top coach manages top clubs and that becomes an issue? Normally, a coach takes a dip in form before going for a lower job, cause the top jobs are no longer available, they do not take on charity cases.

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Quote from: Igebotz on January 19, 2024, 08:44:55 AM

Quote from: tokeweed on January 19, 2024, 07:50:25 AM

It was Guaradiola that's giving a hint that the club could get away with it. He stayed with the club which he would've otherwise quit if he knew City were going to get caught of doing anything illegal. The minute he saw the club's shenanigans were air tight, he stayed. Grin

Pep is a business coach; he has looked at other possibilities in Europe, and there are no open positions at any top-tier club; he was not going to leave Manchester City to sit on the beach waiting for a top-tier job offer. He knew full well that City would not get away with 115 charges; such a large number of charges is difficult to get away with. Pep's next target is PSG; he does not coach a low-budget team.

Their lawyers will defend each one individually; even Saul GoodMan will be unable to help them in this case.

I think whatever the decision maybe against Manchester City I am sure Pep is a coach which any top tier team would love to have and I think any of such teams would love to have him.Of course it would be difficult for him to get to Real Madrid as Ancelotti is well respected there yet I am sure at Bayern Munchen I don't think there would be a lot of problems to go there.I also think though that his best shot if everything goes wrong at City would be to go to Paris.I think Paris needs to win something in Europe and for me Pep is the best choice to achieve that.

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Quote from: tokeweed on January 19, 2024, 07:50:25 AM

It was Guaradiola that's giving a hint that the club could get away with it. He stayed with the club which he would've otherwise quit if he knew City were going to get caught of doing anything illegal. The minute he saw the club's shenanigans were air tight, he stayed. Grin

Pep is a business coach; he has looked at other possibilities in Europe, and there are no open positions at any top-tier club; he was not going to leave Manchester City to sit on the beach waiting for a top-tier job offer. He knew full well that City would not get away with 115 charges; such a large number of charges is difficult to get away with. Pep's next target is PSG; he does not coach a low-budget team.

Their lawyers will defend each one individually; even Saul GoodMan will be unable to help them in this case.

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Quote from: cryptofrka on January 18, 2024, 07:47:48 AM

Quote from: Igebotz on January 17, 2024, 08:02:56 AM

Yeah, all the players Liverpool wanted but couldn't afford have suddenly become mediocre players. A team that spent Benfica €100 million for Nunez should not be complaining about substandard players or how poorly other teams handle transfers. Perhaps you forgot that we also know how to do away with poor players.

It's one thing to make a shitty transfer. It is a completely another one to take the business approach you have taken.
I think nobody did it in football so far, and we'll see how that experiment will turn out. Boehly has no clue what he's doing, that is clear.

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Really curious to see what the City verdict will be. Even a minor points deduction would hurt them a lot, but there's no way City will be punished like that.

I think they'll get away with it with no punishment given. They found a loop hole and even if there were some shenanigans going on behind the scenes, I think nobody could make a case against Man City as everything was done legally... Technically. Cheesy

It was Guaradiola that's giving a hint that the club could get away with it. He stayed with the club which he would've otherwise quit if he knew City were going to get caught of doing anything illegal. The minute he saw the club's shenanigans were air tight, he stayed. Grin

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Quote from: slaman29 on January 17, 2024, 07:47:08 AM

I felt a few years ago the day would come when I would stop supporting my club. It will never be because they are down, they suck etc. I would only stop being a fan when the football is second to the money. I feel scared this is coming very soon.

How it was dealt with may have been illegal or an unfair mafia-like monopoly overseen by the powers that blocked it, but I don't think that means it will still go ahead. It was fans that were dead-set against it from the start and it seemed the owners canned it based purely on widespread fan outrage rather than it being blocked officially by the lawmakers and all the English teams withdrew almost immediately. If they do actually try to do it again I'm sure the same will happen and I hope fans vote with their cash and boycott it 100%. If hardly anybody is watching it it will be dead in the water.

Well I hope you're right. Lots of clubs and players probably don't like the idea, but some have already spoken out.

For example if Girona win La Liga, they supposedly play in Blue League of this Super League which is 3 tier from top, which doesn't make sense because top league reserved for the founders. 90% of clubs will support original Champions League, you win your league, you will play there, full stop.

I hope fans vote, but we've all seen with clubs like Barca supposedly fan owned, still make terrible decisions. We've seen United protest and still Glazers stayed in power. United diehards broke away and the club continued, with more plastic fans.

EPL just finished new TV deal btw. It's a record number, bigger than rest of Europe, in Spain it stayed same in Italy it went down, so EPL is biggest pie so it seems new fans will always watch star leagues, regardless of City Chelsea United Newcastle Liverpool owned by oil or playing with money and playing games for sponsorship instead of for fans.

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Quote from: slaman29 on January 17, 2024, 07:47:08 AM

Quote from: un_rank on January 16, 2024, 11:01:28 AM

It is ridiculous. It seems FIFA are only bothered about the finances. More teams means more matches and bigger TV rights.
Players have been complaining about the current fixture lineup and nothing has been done yet, sure they may get more bonuses, but I think they will rather have less matches and a longer career.

Yes, and now I hear news about Super League being overturned is illegal, so now Super League will continue. I was so upset Barca were part of it, they should know better, but of course they pulled out not that it made things better the damage was done.

I felt a few years ago the day would come when I would stop supporting my club. It will never be because they are down, they suck etc. I would only stop being a fan when the football is second to the money. I feel scared this is coming very soon.

How it was dealt with may have been illegal or an unfair mafia-like monopoly overseen by the powers that blocked it, but I don't think that means it will still go ahead. It was fans that were dead-set against it from the start and it seemed the owners canned it based purely on widespread fan outrage rather than it being blocked officially by the lawmakers and all the English teams withdrew almost immediately. If they do actually try to do it again I'm sure the same will happen and I hope fans vote with their cash and boycott it 100%. If hardly anybody is watching it it will be dead in the water.

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Quote from: cryptofrka on January 18, 2024, 07:47:48 AM

Quote from: Igebotz on January 17, 2024, 08:02:56 AM

Yeah, all the players Liverpool wanted but couldn't afford have suddenly become mediocre players. A team that spent Benfica €100 million for Nunez should not be complaining about substandard players or how poorly other teams handle transfers. Perhaps you forgot that we also know how to do away with poor players.

It's one thing to make a shitty transfer. It is a completely another one to take the business approach you have taken.
I think nobody did it in football so far, and we'll see how that experiment will turn out. Boehly has no clue what he's doing, that is clear.

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Really curious to see what the City verdict will be. Even a minor points deduction would hurt them a lot, but there's no way City will be punished like that.

Even if City gets the lowest punishment and very few points are deducted from them for me this is enough to keep them out of the Premier League title as right now they are not in the best of their form and even the return of Kevin De Bryne will not impact them for the good instantly,he needs to take steam as he has been out of the football fields for quite some time now.Whatever happens to them though even if they are not punished at all which may be the best case,still they are in a difficult position to win the Premier League title for the 15-16 weeks that remains as Liverpool is in a much better form,so I only know any punishment will make them get out of the title fight 100%.

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Quote from: cryptofrka on January 18, 2024, 07:47:48 AM

Quote from: Igebotz on January 17, 2024, 08:02:56 AM

Yeah, all the players Liverpool wanted but couldn't afford have suddenly become mediocre players. A team that spent Benfica €100 million for Nunez should not be complaining about substandard players or how poorly other teams handle transfers. Perhaps you forgot that we also know how to do away with poor players.

It's one thing to make a shitty transfer. It is a completely another one to take the business approach you have taken.
I think nobody did it in football so far, and we'll see how that experiment will turn out. Boehly has no clue what he's doing, that is clear.

You can't draw conclusions about a project that is barely a year old; Klopp took more than three seasons to get Liverpool from mid-table to top four. If I were you, I would wait for another season before criticising Todd Boehly's efforts.

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Really curious to see what the City verdict will be. Even a minor points deduction would hurt them a lot, but there's no way City will be punished like that.

Don't get your hopes up too high since Manchester City will appeal any ruling that does not go their way, and they have the money to drag the issue out for years in court. Even if they received any penalty points, they would prefer to be cut next season.

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Quote from: Igebotz on January 17, 2024, 08:02:56 AM

Yeah, all the players Liverpool wanted but couldn't afford have suddenly become mediocre players. A team that spent Benfica €100 million for Nunez should not be complaining about substandard players or how poorly other teams handle transfers. Perhaps you forgot that we also know how to do away with poor players.

It's one thing to make a shitty transfer. It is a completely another one to take the business approach you have taken.
I think nobody did it in football so far, and we'll see how that experiment will turn out. Boehly has no clue what he's doing, that is clear.

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Really curious to see what the City verdict will be. Even a minor points deduction would hurt them a lot, but there's no way City will be punished like that.

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Quote from: cryptofrka on January 17, 2024, 07:33:38 AM

City is showing huge sponsorship incomes because that's how they pump money into the club - so of course they don't have financial deficit. It still is breaking the rules, and should be punished more severely than Everton's deficit, which happened during the Covid years where budgeting was basically impossible.

We will just have to wait and see what the verdict is in the City case and the eventual punishment if they are found guilty.

Quote from: slaman29 on January 17, 2024, 07:47:08 AM

Yes, and now I hear news about Super League being overturned is illegal, so now Super League will continue. I was so upset Barca were part of it, they should know better, but of course they pulled out not that it made things better the damage was done.
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Tbh, I did not follow the whole Super league drama, but the money is already taking precedence to football. Look at the injury list of almost all of the teams in the different leagues. That is the result of the number of club and country matches they play, and it is only getting worse.

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Quote from: cryptofrka on January 17, 2024, 07:33:38 AM

City is showing huge sponsorship incomes because that's how they pump money into the club - so of course they don't have financial deficit. It still is breaking the rules, and should be punished more severely than Everton's deficit, which happened during the Covid years where budgeting was basically impossible.

We will just have to wait and see what the verdict is in the City case and the eventual punishment if they are found guilty.

Quote from: slaman29 on January 17, 2024, 07:47:08 AM

Yes, and now I hear news about Super League being overturned is illegal, so now Super League will continue. I was so upset Barca were part of it, they should know better, but of course they pulled out not that it made things better the damage was done.
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Tbh, I did not follow the whole Super league drama, but the money is already taking precedence to football. Look at the injury list of almost all of the teams in the different leagues. That is the result of the number of club and country matches they play, and it is only getting worse.

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Quote from: cryptofrka on January 17, 2024, 07:33:38 AM

Quote from: Igebotz on January 16, 2024, 05:36:15 AM

Chelsea has not broken any FA laws; we have brilliant business minds, and all we did was exploit FA transfer loopholes, which is not a violation of the rules.

True, you used loopholes. Not so brilliantly though, you have 40 mediocre players on 8-year bloated contracts so good luck with that going forward.

Yeah, all the players Liverpool wanted but couldn't afford have suddenly become mediocre players. A team that spent Benfica €100 million for Nunez should not be complaining about substandard players or how poorly other teams handle transfers. Perhaps you forgot that we also know how to do away with poor players.

Quote from: cryptofrka on January 17, 2024, 07:33:38 AM

I didn't say the smaller clubs were targeted, I said they are being used as examples - which is wrong on so many levels.
City is showing huge sponsorship incomes because that's how they pump money into the club - so of course they don't have financial deficit. It still is breaking the rules, and should be punished more severely than Everton's deficit, which happened during the Covid years where budgeting was basically impossible.

No need to speculate, the hearing date for Manchester city 115 charges has been set.

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Quote from: un_rank on January 16, 2024, 11:01:28 AM

It is ridiculous. It seems FIFA are only bothered about the finances. More teams means more matches and bigger TV rights.
Players have been complaining about the current fixture lineup and nothing has been done yet, sure they may get more bonuses, but I think they will rather have less matches and a longer career.

Yes, and now I hear news about Super League being overturned is illegal, so now Super League will continue. I was so upset Barca were part of it, they should know better, but of course they pulled out not that it made things better the damage was done.

I felt a few years ago the day would come when I would stop supporting my club. It will never be because they are down, they suck etc. I would only stop being a fan when the football is second to the money. I feel scared this is coming very soon.

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Quote from: Igebotz on January 16, 2024, 05:36:15 AM

Chelsea has not broken any FA laws; we have brilliant business minds, and all we did was exploit FA transfer loopholes, which is not a violation of the rules.

True, you used loopholes. Not so brilliantly though, you have 40 mediocre players on 8-year bloated contracts so good luck with that going forward.

Quote from: un_rank on January 16, 2024, 06:05:01 AM

I have not had the time to read all the reasons for the deductions, but one thing to note is that all the clubs agreed to the current financial rules being used, if any decision is made contrary to the agreement, other clubs would weigh in and challenge that.
We should not always weigh the smaller clubs against bigger one and make it look like they are being targeted.

If they wanted to destroy the competitiveness of the league, I do not think Forest and Everton would be the targets.

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I didn't say the smaller clubs were targeted, I said they are being used as examples - which is wrong on so many levels.
City is showing huge sponsorship incomes because that's how they pump money into the club - so of course they don't have financial deficit. It still is breaking the rules, and should be punished more severely than Everton's deficit, which happened during the Covid years where budgeting was basically impossible.

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Quote from: slaman29 on January 16, 2024, 09:12:03 AM

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Ah, finally. I had no idea this was happening. But postponing it to end of season by replacing it with a whole new tournament format is craziness. This may solve scheduling issue but it increases player tiredness. Are FIFA crazy or are clubs getting paid to agree?

It is ridiculous. It seems FIFA are only bothered about the finances. More teams means more matches and bigger TV rights.
Players have been complaining about the current fixture lineup and nothing has been done yet, sure they may get more bonuses, but I think they will rather have less matches and a longer career.

Quote from: casperBGD on January 16, 2024, 09:37:11 AM

...but, EPL is deciding on case based on their own assessment, which is why some breached rules are not punished, and Everton already is, and Forest will possibly be (that is part of Everton appeal, that deduction decision is arbitrary, not as per rules)

But it has not been proven that City breached any rules as yet, right?

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Quote from: un_rank on January 16, 2024, 06:05:01 AM

Quote from: cryptofrka on January 16, 2024, 05:04:23 AM

It's really disgusting what they're doing to Everton. With Chelsea, City and the like destroying the competitiveness of the league, they are punishing Everton and Forest.

I have not had the time to read all the reasons for the deductions, but one thing to note is that all the clubs agreed to the current financial rules being used, if any decision is made contrary to the agreement, other clubs would weigh in and challenge that.
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financial rules are there, but there is no table for punishment on rules breaching, which is kind-a-thing, and if you don't have punishment set for breaching a rule, than it is merely a recommendation
but, EPL is deciding on case based on their own assessment, which is why some breached rules are not punished, and Everton already is, and Forest will possibly be (that is part of Everton appeal, that deduction decision is arbitrary, not as per rules)

also, Everton is now punished for time-frame that is including years that are already in first deduction (2019-2022), so basically doubled

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