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Quote from: casperBGD on November 05, 2023, 01:56:08 PM

Luton enters tiger mode when playing against teams from Liverpool, drawing today and winning on Goodison, while losing all other games regularly

Liverpool took a draw, but it is as a lose for them, losing two points in top position fight
and Luton didn't get much with a point, win would be a great round for them, in relegation fight

my FPL team is a pure lose this round

Bitterly disappointing result for Liverpool, I had a feeling we would drop points today. It was reminiscent of so many games last season against inferior teams. Our players just turn up thinking they will win without putting 100% in.

Lucky to get a late equaliser in the end but it’s not good enough. We must be much better against Brentford next weekend. What frustrates me most is the lack of fight. We have better players than Luton in every position but if you don’t put in 100% you can run into problems and today we did.

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Luton enters tiger mode when playing against teams from Liverpool, drawing today and winning on Goodison, while losing all other games regularly

Liverpool took a draw, but it is as a lose for them, losing two points in top position fight
and Luton didn't get much with a point, win would be a great round for them, in relegation fight

my FPL team is a pure lose this round

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Quote from: cryptofrka on November 05, 2023, 08:14:35 AM

Quote from: Igebotz on November 05, 2023, 04:34:57 AM

I'm willing to bet 2mBTC that Bellingham will not score 24.5 league goals. What's your counter-offer now that you're already 10 goals ahead?

I'd bet on the same, I don't believe his goalscoring feat will continue. It does not need to though - he wasn't brought there to score goals.
That's the extra reason why I feel what he's done is incredible so far - but again, I would not bet on him scoring another 5 goals by the end of the season.

He scored in 7 out of 10 games in La Liga this year - surely that kind of form can't continue. Smart of you to try and lure me with that bet though Grin

Lol You got me there Grin

That would have been the most easy side bet of the season. I've seen Pogba in his prime score 8 goals in 8 games and complete the season with 8 goals. When they sign a proper striker in January, Bellingham will most likely return to central midfield. Osimhem is the main target.

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Quote from: Igebotz on November 05, 2023, 04:34:57 AM

I'm willing to bet 2mBTC that Bellingham will not score 24.5 league goals. What's your counter-offer now that you're already 10 goals ahead?

I'd bet on the same, I don't believe his goalscoring feat will continue. It does not need to though - he wasn't brought there to score goals.
That's the extra reason why I feel what he's done is incredible so far - but again, I would not bet on him scoring another 5 goals by the end of the season.

He scored in 7 out of 10 games in La Liga this year - surely that kind of form can't continue. Smart of you to try and lure me with that bet though Grin

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Quote from: cryptofrka on November 05, 2023, 04:01:28 AM

Quote from: Igebotz on November 05, 2023, 02:35:39 AM

Man I know you're not serious about Szoboszlai being better than Modric and Kross, so I'd spare us both some time and skip that part.We both know that no Liverpool midfielder is better than Modric, who is 38 years old.

Man, stop twerking for Bellingham! In his Bundesliga career, he received more yellow cards (21) than assists (16). He's a fantastic player, but he hasn't done anything or dominated any league yet, so stop saying "he'd dominate anywhere." He couldn't even dominate the Bundesliga.

He's only had the best ten games in his career, and we're not sure how this will end; he's scoring goals, but not having the finest games. We only watched him score two goals in the El Classico, and those were the only highlights of the game.

I honestly am, Modrić is one of my favorite players of all time but he's entering the end of his career. He simply isn't there physically anymore - which is normal and the fact that he's still getting games aged 38 in one of the world's biggest clubs tells you everything.
If I was picking a team for the cup final, yeah - I'd still probably take Modrić over Szoboszlai. But if I was picking a player for a stretch of 20 league games, there's no doubt in my mind as to who I'd select.

I'll always prefer technique over stamina. If I'm going to battle, I'd rather have 11 Modric than 11 Szoboszlai. We all know Modric has a limited amount of time to accommodate Bellingham on the team because his Real Madrid career is coming to an end and Bellingham's has just begun.

Quote from: cryptofrka on November 05, 2023, 04:01:28 AM

Regarding Bellingham - the guy's 20 years old. He's already got almost 200 professional games under his belt. He was a starter in Championship aged 17, a starter and one of the best players in the Bundesliga for Borussia aged 19.
He's already got 25+ caps for one of the strongest footballing nations in the world.

To add to that, he's probably had the best start of all Real Madrid's signings throughout their history - and we all know who's among those names.

If he's not a superstar, I seriously don't know who is.

Without a doubt, Bellingham is a superstar, but he has be consistent for 5-10 years to be identified as World-class. Bojan Krkic had 117 Barcelona appearances before the age of 21, scoring 17 goals; he was the next big thing, but his Bacelona career ended before the age of 24 and he spent the rest of his career on loan; he was a superstar but didn't live up to his potential. Ansu Fati, the future Messi, is another.

I'm willing to bet 2mBTC that Bellingham will not score 24.5 league goals. What's your counter-offer now that you're already 10 goals ahead?

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Quote from: Igebotz on November 05, 2023, 02:35:39 AM

Man I know you're not serious about Szoboszlai being better than Modric and Kross, so I'd spare us both some time and skip that part.We both know that no Liverpool midfielder is better than Modric, who is 38 years old.

Man, stop twerking for Bellingham! In his Bundesliga career, he received more yellow cards (21) than assists (16). He's a fantastic player, but he hasn't done anything or dominated any league yet, so stop saying "he'd dominate anywhere." He couldn't even dominate the Bundesliga.

He's only had the best ten games in his career, and we're not sure how this will end; he's scoring goals, but not having the finest games. We only watched him score two goals in the El Classico, and those were the only highlights of the game.

I honestly am, Modrić is one of my favorite players of all time but he's entering the end of his career. He simply isn't there physically anymore - which is normal and the fact that he's still getting games aged 38 in one of the world's biggest clubs tells you everything.
If I was picking a team for the cup final, yeah - I'd still probably take Modrić over Szoboszlai. But if I was picking a player for a stretch of 20 league games, there's no doubt in my mind as to who I'd select.

Regarding Bellingham - the guy's 20 years old. He's already got almost 200 professional games under his belt. He was a starter in Championship aged 17, a starter and one of the best players in the Bundesliga for Borussia aged 19.
He's already got 25+ caps for one of the strongest footballing nations in the world.

To add to that, he's probably had the best start of all Real Madrid's signings throughout their history - and we all know who's among those names.

If he's not a superstar, I seriously don't know who is.

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Quote from: cryptofrka on November 04, 2023, 05:29:27 PM

Quote from: Igebotz on November 04, 2023, 01:48:34 PM

I know Mc Allister isn't on the same level as Bellingham, but he's a special player with a good work rate. Shame one plays with Kross and Modric and the other plays deep in midfield with fucking nobody Szoboszlai and Gravenberch. Do you think Bellingham can make it in the Liverpool midfield? I have my doubts.

What's going on in Brighton? I didn't think Caicedo's exit would have such an impact on them, but it sure does.

I think Bellingham is that good that he'd dominate anywhere. I think also that Szoboszlai is currently miles ahead of Modrić, probably Kroos as well.
Real's playing with Tchouameni and Valverde ahead of them anyway and yeah - those 2 with Bellingham look like a perfect midfield for the future.

Gravenberch is a rotation option - I do like him but it's still early to tell. He was great at Ajax and fully neglected at Bayern.

Man I know you're not serious about Szoboszlai being better than Modric and Kross, so I'd spare us both some time and skip that part.We both know that no Liverpool midfielder is better than Modric, who is 38 years old.

Man, stop twerking for Bellingham! In his Bundesliga career, he received more yellow cards (21) than assists (16). He's a fantastic player, but he hasn't done anything or dominated any league yet, so stop saying "he'd dominate anywhere." He couldn't even dominate the Bundesliga.

He's only had the best ten games in his career, and we're not sure how this will end; he's scoring goals, but not having the finest games. We only watched him score two goals in the El Classico, and those were the only highlights of the game.

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Quote from: swogerino on November 04, 2023, 02:32:39 PM

I keep going from bad to worse but not that I have ever done good in the pool in these years that I have participated except last year where I won a small prize,double the entry fee and with that I paid this entry free,so as long as I am playing free I can't complain much,I just cannot predict draws,the Sheffield United game was the biggest surprise which is a win after so many lost games for them and I am happy for them although I lost points in the pool.

Now Newcastle is winning against Arsenal which will make Tottenham to further create a gap tomorrow if they win their game,it would be nice but I think overall Manchester City and Liverpool to be more consistent in their results for the title fight.

I am also facing same issue in this season as losing my points frequently with today I check I am from 15 to 46 it's unbelievable for me how things are going.
After today matches I have only 3 points which is another below with late equalizers kills all things hopefully in next few weeks I will be able to improve things but now after Arsenal lost look like we will have three-way title race now Sunday can bring some good results as we have two good teams on road Aston Villa and Liverpool can give double pleasure.

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Quote from: Igebotz on November 04, 2023, 01:48:34 PM

I know Mc Allister isn't on the same level as Bellingham, but he's a special player with a good work rate. Shame one plays with Kross and Modric and the other plays deep in midfield with fucking nobody Szoboszlai and Gravenberch. Do you think Bellingham can make it in the Liverpool midfield? I have my doubts.

What's going on in Brighton? I didn't think Caicedo's exit would have such an impact on them, but it sure does.

I think Bellingham is that good that he'd dominate anywhere. I think also that Szoboszlai is currently miles ahead of Modrić, probably Kroos as well.
Real's playing with Tchouameni and Valverde ahead of them anyway and yeah - those 2 with Bellingham look like a perfect midfield for the future.

Gravenberch is a rotation option - I do like him but it's still early to tell. He was great at Ajax and fully neglected at Bayern.

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I keep going from bad to worse but not that I have ever done good in the pool in these years that I have participated except last year where I won a small prize,double the entry fee and with that I paid this entry free,so as long as I am playing free I can't complain much,I just cannot predict draws,the Sheffield United game was the biggest surprise which is a win after so many lost games for them and I am happy for them although I lost points in the pool.

Now Newcastle is winning against Arsenal which will make Tottenham to further create a gap tomorrow if they win their game,it would be nice but I think overall Manchester City and Liverpool to be more consistent in their results for the title fight.

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Quote from: cryptofrka on November 02, 2023, 06:40:47 AM

MacAllister's LFC start has been a bit underwhelming so far, so he'd be the last player I'd highlight as the one that could do great things somewhere else.
He really was good for a smaller team where not every ball is analyzed 3 times, he owes us some better performances because he's been mediocre at best so far.

He still needs to be given time, of course - he's playing deeper than he'd like. But let's just hold off on such statements for a bit, eh? Grin

I know Mc Allister isn't on the same level as Bellingham, but he's a special player with a good work rate. Shame one plays with Kross and Modric and the other plays deep in midfield with fucking nobody Szoboszlai and Gravenberch. Do you think Bellingham can make it in the Liverpool midfield? I have my doubts.

What's going on in Brighton? I didn't think Caicedo's exit would have such an impact on them, but it sure does.

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Quote from: buwaytress on November 04, 2023, 09:56:27 AM

Anyway. United won, but were outplayed at least half the game. I feel like I wasted my afternoon watching that...

Do not worry too much, Arsenal will make it up to you later in the evening Cool

Good on Manchester United to give me an exact score result, I do not mind much for their performance but just expected they will squeeze out a victory.

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I had a draw and that killed me. Late goal by Man Utd,today was a terrible day for me,hopefully i try and make it up with the few matches that are left in this round. Probobly my worst round since the start of the premier league. Hopefully Newcastle ends 1-1 to get points there somehow.

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Quote from: buwaytress on November 04, 2023, 09:56:27 AM

Anyway. United won, but were outplayed at least half the game. I feel like I wasted my afternoon watching that...

Do not worry too much, Arsenal will make it up to you later in the evening Cool

Good on Manchester United to give me an exact score result, I do not mind much for their performance but just expected they will squeeze out a victory.

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^ I really like Szobo too, exceeded my expectations, and MacAllister is slowly winning me over but as you say Bellingham is generational. Real practically solved their midfield for a decade minimum. He would have been our Gerrard, minus Scouse.

Anyway. United won, but were outplayed at least half the game. I feel like I wasted my afternoon watching that, should have tuned in to 4-goal Girona instead.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on November 02, 2023, 04:39:56 AM

He looks like he could become one of the greats. I was disappointed at the time but would we have been able to sign Szoboszlai, Mac Allister and Gravenberch if we got Jude? I dunno if 3 really good players > 1 world class player? I think the wages were a factor too. Maybe i’ve been brainwashed by FSG and using copium but I think we are a better team with the three we got than if we only got Bellingham. Imagine Henderson and Fabinho were still here but we got Bellingham.

Any way, I guess no point lusting for what we don’t have. Let’s batter Luton on Sunday and continue our good form. Hopefully Arsenal drop points this weekend, won’t be easy for them away at Newcastle especially after they battered Man Utd last night. Confidence will be high for the Toon Army.

Makes sense from that perspective, but we brought in 4 midfielders this season - we wouldn't have brought just Bellingham.
I assume that Szoboszlai was brought for that spot.

I really love Szoboszlai, he can be an amazing addition as well, but Bellingham is a generational type of player - one of a kind. A superstar that's English, something you build dynasties on.
I'm happy with our midfield additions as well, but Bellingham really does sound like a huge opportunity missed. And not just for Liverpool - for all english clubs. Due to the fact that England is mostly hated on Merseyside - even more so for other PL clubs.

Quote from: Igebotz on November 02, 2023, 05:20:47 AM

Aside from banter and club rivalry, Liverpool got a better deal in Szoboszlai, Mac Allister, and Gravenberch. If Mac Allister played in the same position as Jude Bellingham at Real Madrid, he could easily replicate his performance. Bellingham has always been that unique child, but we all know what happens when the hype starts to get into his head. Most of the time, he does nothing except score one goal and becomes the news of the day. Real Madrid's PR are outrageous, and I wouldn't be surprised if he wins the Ballon d'Or before Mbappe and Halaand.

MacAllister's LFC start has been a bit underwhelming so far, so he'd be the last player I'd highlight as the one that could do great things somewhere else.
He really was good for a smaller team where not every ball is analyzed 3 times, he owes us some better performances because he's been mediocre at best so far.

He still needs to be given time, of course - he's playing deeper than he'd like. But let's just hold off on such statements for a bit, eh? Grin

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Man Arsenal really suffered. They did make changes to half the squad but you still have hattrick scorer Nketiah and even Saka came on but still couldn't even draw to West Ham, pretty big win there.

Next round reward for Moyes is Liverpool, I have a feeling they can win also judging from the lineup where Nunez had to save the game after entering late.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on November 02, 2023, 04:39:56 AM

Quote from: cryptofrka on November 01, 2023, 09:40:04 AM

Liverpool was the perfect club for Bellingham's legacy to develop - especially under Klopp.
That's why I was so pissed that we missed on the CL spots this season. With CL secured we might have stood a chance whereas without it it was clear from the start that we simply aren't in the race at all.

It's incredibly hard for a club like Liverpool to bring a player in his prime from Madrid, so that ship has sailed forever.

He looks like he could become one of the greats. I was disappointed at the time but would we have been able to sign Szoboszlai, Mac Allister and Gravenberch if we got Jude? I dunno if 3 really good players > 1 world class player? I think the wages were a factor too. Maybe i’ve been brainwashed by FSG and using copium but I think we are a better team with the three we got than if we only got Bellingham. Imagine Henderson and Fabinho were still here but we got Bellingham.

Aside from banter and club rivalry, Liverpool got a better deal in Szoboszlai, Mac Allister, and Gravenberch. If Mac Allister played in the same position as Jude Bellingham at Real Madrid, he could easily replicate his performance. Bellingham has always been that unique child, but we all know what happens when the hype starts to get into his head. Most of the time, he does nothing except score one goal and becomes the news of the day. Real Madrid's PR are outrageous, and I wouldn't be surprised if he wins the Ballon d'Or before Mbappe and Halaand.

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Quote from: cryptofrka on November 01, 2023, 09:40:04 AM

Liverpool was the perfect club for Bellingham's legacy to develop - especially under Klopp.
That's why I was so pissed that we missed on the CL spots this season. With CL secured we might have stood a chance whereas without it it was clear from the start that we simply aren't in the race at all.

It's incredibly hard for a club like Liverpool to bring a player in his prime from Madrid, so that ship has sailed forever.

He looks like he could become one of the greats. I was disappointed at the time but would we have been able to sign Szoboszlai, Mac Allister and Gravenberch if we got Jude? I dunno if 3 really good players > 1 world class player? I think the wages were a factor too. Maybe i’ve been brainwashed by FSG and using copium but I think we are a better team with the three we got than if we only got Bellingham. Imagine Henderson and Fabinho were still here but we got Bellingham.

Any way, I guess no point lusting for what we don’t have. Let’s batter Luton on Sunday and continue our good form. Hopefully Arsenal drop points this weekend, won’t be easy for them away at Newcastle especially after they battered Man Utd last night. Confidence will be high for the Toon Army.

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Quote from: cryptofrka on November 01, 2023, 09:40:04 AM

Liverpool was the perfect club for Bellingham's legacy to develop - especially under Klopp.

He would have thrived in Liverpool, but I feel Real Madrid is a much better team for his development and ambition as a player. Madrid is a team with a ruthless winning mentality and he is growing to feel the skin he has found himself in.

I forgot it was EFL cup week and placed my bets ahead of time, rather than wait for the outcome of today's matches. I barely change ky picks cause I want to trust my first instinct, so whatever happens tonight I will go with my original picks.

I am hoping there will be no upsets.

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Quote from: slaman29 on October 30, 2023, 07:23:07 AM

Congrats on the yellow cap, put it all on United and Chelsea next game Wink

I totally agree LFC_Bitcoin, People are writing about Spurs being historical (but they robbed you a 3 pointer), Arsenal being title challengers, even Newcastle despite them dropping many points but weirdly not much expectation of Liverpool. I think they need to see Liverpool beat City, Arsenal first...

Quote from: Igebotz on October 29, 2023, 10:24:15 AM

£1 billion spent under four managers in a single year does not seem like a project to me; it sounds like an experiment gone bad. Who cares about a 7-year contract when the wages they receive is based on team performance? If you gave these jerks another season, we'd have more managers than points.

I didn't know this about Chelsea at all. I know most teams give you bonus on performance, but not salary on performance. So are you saying like all these figures are wrong? And how do they know how much they get? What if manager never plays them or they get injured, surely they must know their basic salary like any normal job and not rely on bonuses?

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