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Quote from: slackovic on October 11, 2023, 03:01:56 PM

Wait, did I miss something? What are you referring to as the incentive for submitting early? Do you mean that incentive is that you are sure that you won't be late or some other incentive? It's hard to read all these walls of text on mobile so I'm wondering did I miss something.

As part of a freebet grading revamp, it might be beneficial to the player if he submits early.
We want to settle all freebets in the actual rounds, so that people don't have to fight for them for weeks.

The new rules for freebets are here:

Quote from: cryptofrka on October 09, 2023, 02:47:10 PM

There's also a slight change in how we'll calculate the freebet round winners.
First criteria will be total points, and only the best answer in the league will be able to claim the H2H point.
Second criteria will be all the H2H duels in that round between the tied players. If the player already claimed a point for the best answer in the league in a H2H question, that one will not be counted.
Third criteria in case there is still a tie after the H2H questions will be the time of submission - earlier submission will win the freebet.

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Quote from: cryptofrka on October 11, 2023, 02:44:14 PM

/snip

Now there's an incentive to submit early, so we expect VAR to be used a bit more often.

Wait, did I miss something? What are you referring to as the incentive for submitting early? Do you mean that incentive is that you are sure that you won't be late or some other incentive? It's hard to read all these walls of text on mobile so I'm wondering did I miss something.

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Sheriff? Don't you have to be among the elite to be that?
He's barely a deputy, and even the sheriffs are always in Mafia's pockets - everybody knows that.

Quote from: Harkorede on October 11, 2023, 10:20:31 AM

I like the late submission rule, and it meaning an automatic loss for the player, I however don't agree with the potential -4 points, that is the penalty points, I believe one should not lose more point than they can gain from a specific round, in that light I suggest that penalty points should be an independent entity on it's own, and not technically associated with a user accrued points in the league, for unforeseen circumstance beyond human decision anyone could miss a round, I mean even team Cro2 stands a chance of failing to have a question available for despite that never being the case due to their extreme professionalism.

Penalty points would be better off being independent like I aforementioned, just like the VAR, let's say the maximum number of penalty (warning) points every user can get per season is proportional in terms of %age to the number of fixture available to them for that season, perhaps a maximum of 2-3 penalty points before an automatic relegation consideration regardless of where the user finishes by the end of the season while the first person on the relegation table if consistent enough with their submission gets to stay another season in their current division.

The penalty won't be -4 points, it will be the loss of the round, -3 GD and -1 point in the standings.
To be honest - I don't like extremely strict rules. But this is becoming a 10k$ prize pool competition in which we have to have the same rules for everybody.

Considering the nature of questions (different in dates, H2H number and complexity), sometimes a late submission made 2 of your questions invalid, and sometimes 5 of them. Not quite fair - which is the main driver behind the 'no tolerance' decision.

Quote from: Igebotz on October 11, 2023, 10:45:38 AM

Speaking of VAR rules, did any club use all three trials last season? Nah? I used only 1/3 last season; is it possible to carry over the remaining two to next season? Grin

I hardly ever use it regardless, just a suggestion.

I don't think so, no. We're happy with where VAR is at the moment and there are no plans to change it for the next season. 3 VAR's per player, and we'll track it of course.
Now there's an incentive to submit early, so we expect VAR to be used a bit more often.

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Quote from: notblox1 on October 11, 2023, 01:10:00 PM

Like I said before, we have new-old sheriff police force in BSFL town topic, he is going to maintain law in order in forum, and overlook mafia and snake dirty business.
No illegal activity will be accepted in any of BSFL division, so make sure you read the rules before starting the next season.

Let me introduce you the new BSFL logo I made for for team Igebotz.
Eagle One has landed.

Next logos are coming soon, make sure to contact me and reserve your spot while they are hot.

Elite! This is beautiful man! I'm short of words I'm crying right now. I will keep regulating the rules and make sure every team travel safely except Div 2 teams. Cheesy

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Like I said before, we have new-old sheriff police force in BSFL town topic, he is going to maintain lawn & order in forum, and overlook mafia and snake dirty business.
No illegal activity will be accepted in any of BSFL division, so make sure you read the rules before starting the next season.

Let me introduce you the new BSFL logo I made for for team Igebotz.
Eagle One has landed.

Next logos are coming soon, make sure to contact me and reserve your spot while they are hot.

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Quote from: Trofo on October 11, 2023, 12:16:53 PM

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The idea behind penalty points is to filter all the people that aren't engaged or taking this competition seriously enough to lower leagues and allow true sport fanatics to be in first 2 divisions.

agree here, penalties should be there (as you put them)
and one can see that both relegated teams from Div1 (nothing personal against them, contrary, just stating facts) had penalty points this season
so one can see that penalty rules are doing what you have said in your intent to enforce them

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Quote from: Harkorede on October 11, 2023, 10:54:36 AM

Quote from: slackovic on October 11, 2023, 10:32:30 AM

Quote from: Harkorede on October 11, 2023, 10:20:31 AM

I like the late submission rule, and it meaning an automatic loss for the player, I however don't agree with the potential -4 points, that is the penalty points, I believe one should not lose more point than they can gain from a specific round, in that light I suggest that penalty points should be an independent entity on it's own, and not technically associated with a user accrued points in the league, for unforeseen circumstance beyond human decision anyone could miss a round, I mean even team Cro2 stands a chance of failing to have a question available for despite that never being the case due to their extreme professionalism.

Penalty points would be better off being independent like I aforementioned, just like the VAR, let's say the maximum number of penalty (warning) points every user can get per season is proportional in terms of %age to the number of fixture available to them for that season, perhaps a maximum of 2-3 penalty points before an automatic relegation consideration regardless of where the user finishes by the end of the season while the first person on the relegation table if consistent enough with their submission gets to stay another season in their current division.

My thought on penalties involving anything is if you don't line the penalty, don't do anything that will earn you a penalty. It's as simply as that. It may sound cruel but we have 48 hours to submit our answers. I think that all of us can find 5 minutes to just submit anything. No one is required to do the research if they don't have time.

Don't get me wrong, because I think you're and taking my post out of context, if there is anyone that missed any or get the least reminder, that would be me, but regardless I'm just pointing how I think things would be better going forward, and it's just a harmless opinion at that.

I'm not saying penalties shouldn't be handed out, and if you digest my post properly, I'm even suggesting a stiffer punishment (relegation) for it regardless of if the person finishes in a prized position, but if we are taking potential 4 points off a person on a penalty, we would be making the leaderboard highly fluctuating and doing the same thing we complained about for the majority of last season.

The idea behind penalty points is to filter all the people that aren't engaged or taking this competition seriously enough to lower leagues and allow true sport fanatics to be in first 2 divisions. We said on multiple occasions that we want to have perfect higher divisions where everything is done by the book while we can tolerate more lenient rules in our last Division.

That way we will be able to provide best possible experience and rewards to the people that deserve it most.

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@Harkorede my post wasn't directed to you. I was speaking generally that penalties are for me something that can easily be avoided by playing by the rules. And that's why I think that the penalty of -1 points (plus losing potential three points does to automatic loss) is not that harsh.

As for the VAR suggestion, I don't think that anyone would be willing to accept -1 point to change an answer. To me it's better to have one wrong answer than automatic -1 point. I think that I used only one VAR in the last season.

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Quote from: Igebotz on October 11, 2023, 10:45:38 AM

I like all of the new rules, but one that I would want to see admend in the future is the VAR rule;

If you've used up your three trails, each VAR you use after that will cost you -1 point.

This is a huge prize to pay because changing your answer before the deadline doesnt mean that you are going to win that round therefore even if this gets added, I dont think anyone would be silly enough to spend their valuable 1 point on changing their answers. Imagine changing your answers with -1 point reduction only to lose that round as well , that would be nasty

Quote from: Harkorede on October 11, 2023, 10:54:36 AM

I only used one VAR last season, and it was very close to end...

iirc wasnt you the one that used them on a question related to Messi not playing for Argentina? It was against me wasnt it. That was a good VAR usage btw if it was you

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Quote from: slackovic on October 11, 2023, 10:32:30 AM

Quote from: Harkorede on October 11, 2023, 10:20:31 AM

I like the late submission rule, and it meaning an automatic loss for the player, I however don't agree with the potential -4 points, that is the penalty points, I believe one should not lose more point than they can gain from a specific round, in that light I suggest that penalty points should be an independent entity on it's own, and not technically associated with a user accrued points in the league, for unforeseen circumstance beyond human decision anyone could miss a round, I mean even team Cro2 stands a chance of failing to have a question available for despite that never being the case due to their extreme professionalism.

Penalty points would be better off being independent like I aforementioned, just like the VAR, let's say the maximum number of penalty (warning) points every user can get per season is proportional in terms of %age to the number of fixture available to them for that season, perhaps a maximum of 2-3 penalty points before an automatic relegation consideration regardless of where the user finishes by the end of the season while the first person on the relegation table if consistent enough with their submission gets to stay another season in their current division.

My thought on penalties involving anything is if you don't line the penalty, don't do anything that will earn you a penalty. It's as simply as that. It may sound cruel but we have 48 hours to submit our answers. I think that all of us can find 5 minutes to just submit anything. No one is required to do the research if they don't have time.

Don't get me wrong, because I think you're and taking my post out of context, if there is anyone that missed any or get the least reminder, that would be me, but regardless I'm just pointing how I think things would be better going forward, and it's just a harmless opinion at that.

I'm not saying penalties shouldn't be handed out, and if you digest my post properly, I'm even suggesting a stiffer punishment (relegation) for it regardless of if the person finishes in a prized position, but if we are taking potential 4 points off a person on a penalty, we would be making the leaderboard highly fluctuating and doing the same thing we complained about for the majority of last season.

Quote from: Igebotz on October 11, 2023, 10:45:38 AM

Speaking of VAR rules, did any club use all three trials last season? Nah? I used only 1/3 last season; is it possible to carry over the remaining two to next season? Grin

I hardly ever use it regardless, just a suggestion.

I like all of the new rules, but one that I would want to see admend in the future is the VAR rule;

If you've used up your three trails, each VAR you use after that will cost you -1 point.

I only used one VAR last season, and it was very close to end... I don't think a potential unlimited VAR would be very objective. I prefer the current one, but I'm in for whatever rules, I don't think I'll ever be affected by them anyways, I believe we are all just trying to make the competition near perfect as humanly possible and that's why everyone is throwing their 2 cents in, including myself!

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Quote from: Harkorede on October 11, 2023, 10:20:31 AM

Penalty points would be better off being independent like I aforementioned, just like the VAR, let's say the maximum number of penalty (warning) points every user can get per season is proportional in terms of %age to the number of fixture available to them for that season, perhaps a maximum of 2-3 penalty points before an automatic relegation consideration regardless of where the user finishes by the end of the season while the first person on the relegation table if consistent enough with their submission gets to stay another season in their current division.

Speaking of VAR rules, did any club use all three trials last season? Nah? I used only 1/3 last season; is it possible to carry over the remaining two to next season? Grin

I hardly ever use it regardless, just a suggestion.

I like all of the new rules, but one that I would want to see admend in the future is the VAR rule;

If you've used up your three trails, each VAR you use after that will cost you -1 point.

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Quote from: slaman29 on October 11, 2023, 03:24:58 AM

Nice logos mate!! I never knew about this thread so I'm going to post in there, hopefully the price is affordable for fellow bsfl mates and in BTC naturally right? Wink

Price is fair and honestly affordable for all BSFL participants, I really put a lot of effort in making unique logos with personal touch of details for each member.
I am already thinking what would suit you good based on your feedback and history in bitcointalk forum.

Quote from: slaman29 on October 11, 2023, 03:24:58 AM

What if... we also have pages on Sportsbet like a team/season profile with logos and updates every season like Superbru stats?

You can use them anyway you like.
Main purpose should be to add them in standings table, in the same way like we see in Premier League, La Liga and other leagues.
They can also be used pre match and post match for most interesting matches, or for previews.

Small teaser, we have a new sheriff police force coming in BSFL town, and cro2 team wont like it Grin

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Quote from: Harkorede on October 11, 2023, 10:20:31 AM

I like the late submission rule, and it meaning an automatic loss for the player, I however don't agree with the potential -4 points, that is the penalty points, I believe one should not lose more point than they can gain from a specific round, in that light I suggest that penalty points should be an independent entity on it's own, and not technically associated with a user accrued points in the league, for unforeseen circumstance beyond human decision anyone could miss a round, I mean even team Cro2 stands a chance of failing to have a question available for despite that never being the case due to their extreme professionalism.

Penalty points would be better off being independent like I aforementioned, just like the VAR, let's say the maximum number of penalty (warning) points every user can get per season is proportional in terms of %age to the number of fixture available to them for that season, perhaps a maximum of 2-3 penalty points before an automatic relegation consideration regardless of where the user finishes by the end of the season while the first person on the relegation table if consistent enough with their submission gets to stay another season in their current division.

My thought on penalties involving anything is if you don't line the penalty, don't do anything that will earn you a penalty. It's as simply as that. It may sound cruel but we have 48 hours to submit our answers. I think that all of us can find 5 minutes to just submit anything. No one is required to do the research if they don't have time.

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Quote from: Igebotz on October 10, 2023, 01:51:23 PM

I like the new late submission rules: losing 3 points instead of submitting late and still lose the game plus -1 point deduction for late submission (potentially 4 points).

Was there an exception when a late entrant defeated his opponent? Grin

I like the late submission rule, and it meaning an automatic loss for the player, I however don't agree with the potential -4 points, that is the penalty points, I believe one should not lose more point than they can gain from a specific round, in that light I suggest that penalty points should be an independent entity on it's own, and not technically associated with a user accrued points in the league, for unforeseen circumstance beyond human decision anyone could miss a round, I mean even team Cro2 stands a chance of failing to have a question available for despite that never being the case due to their extreme professionalism.

Penalty points would be better off being independent like I aforementioned, just like the VAR, let's say the maximum number of penalty (warning) points every user can get per season is proportional in terms of %age to the number of fixture available to them for that season, perhaps a maximum of 2-3 penalty points before an automatic relegation consideration regardless of where the user finishes by the end of the season while the first person on the relegation table if consistent enough with their submission gets to stay another season in their current division.

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Quote from: notblox1 on October 10, 2023, 02:53:12 PM

Quote from: Trofo on October 10, 2023, 12:42:19 AM

Do you think Premier League clubs get notifications to make sure they will not forget to appear on game? Grin

I am sure they have reminders and wives doing that Grin

Maybe some members are hiding the fact they are playing BSFL league, and cant explain what they are doing exactly.
Safer for me is to add weekly reminders to my important calendar events ,and enjoy more peace with less telegram notifications.
Next season is going to be savage!

Every league have their logo, so BSFL have official logo now Wink

Now we just needs shirts Grin

Awesome, thanks for this! We love how the community has started interacting with BSFL!

We'll incorporate the logo in our materials, looks really noce and follows the general BSFL identity.

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Quote from: Harkorede on October 10, 2023, 03:29:52 PM

Onana has been the most awful top flight goalkeeper across the top 5 leagues imo, he's probably had the most errors lead to goal than any other GK, he's got almost zero goalkeeping skill, but I find very really very reasonable that Ten Haag is twice as guilty of these eyesore of a playing out from the back tactics as much as Onana is. I really don't understand the reason of Amrabat being a left back ahead of Lindelof and while Jonny Evans needed to remain on the bench, and then he goes on and on to leaving McTominay on the bench just to pair Amrabat and Casemiro, that's some I still can't make much sense of, McTominay have showed how good he is when played in the appropriate position, and there is the hunger from Hannibal Mejbri too but he'd rather stick to players with subpar level of performance.

Ten Haag was obsessed with his former players; he wanted to bring all of Ajax's players to Manchester United, but Ajax had to file a report against him for illegally poking their players without permission, and Onana was always on his A-list; he wanted to build from the back with a sweeper GK.

He was more interested in Onana's passing ability than in his shot-saving abilities. Nobody in Africa considers Onana to be a good keeper, and he has been barred from playing for the Cameron national team.

I haven't watched a Manchester United game since Amarat joined the team; how is he doing and why is he being used as an LB instead of a DM? Why are these coaches putting players out of position these days?

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Quote from: Harkorede on October 10, 2023, 03:29:52 PM

Perhaps it's about time I make this an official one if you'd be part of my clientele, I'm sure a couple of users too, the likes of LFC_Bitcoin, Buwaytress (he's always on time btw, but that could be down to him leading the pack for majority of season), Igebotz, DireWolfM14 amongst others too might need my service and as I'll be able guarantee 99.99% up time and prompt reminders Smiley

This season, my late submission relegated me!! The -4 was significant, but thank you; nevertheless, I will not require your services unless you come down from your city to mine to wake me up from my sleep because a simple forum tag and message will not enough. Div3 will be entertaining; those teams consistently miss deadlines. Grin

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That Giroud stat reminds me of when Divock Origi was Europe's most lethal striker too haha. I think 4 shots, 4 goals. Super sub with all the crucial goals too in UCL. I played keeper all the time in my team's emergencies (which was frequent) and was terrible but only because no one else liked the "responsibility". Not that I was a great CB anyway...

Quote from: Harkorede on October 10, 2023, 03:29:52 PM

Perhaps it's about time I make this an official one if you'd be part of my clientele, I'm sure a couple of users too, the likes of LFC_Bitcoin, Buwaytress (he's always on time btw, but that could be down to him leading the pack for majority of season), Igebotz, DireWolfM14 amongst others too might need my service and as I'll be able guarantee 99.99% up time and prompt reminders

Nah, I'm fine. I admit I miss Superbru picks now and then but the schedule there is so erratic with rescheduled matches and Superbru glitches (I missed an entire round of UCL last season when I swore I entered picks). BSFL Tuesdays is etched into my routine #nojinx

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Quote from: slaman29 on October 11, 2023, 03:24:58 AM

What if... we also have pages on Sportsbet like a team/season profile with logos and updates every season like Superbru stats?

Not gonna happen, it is really problematic to add stuff to Sporsbet mainpage. It is difficult to maintain as is with bunch of different modules.

Yeah, the problem is we can't view these business sites like a homepage where we can assign a user to just edit and add. Highly sensitive data in admin panel -- someone with admin rights has to design a new page and manually update it, it wouldn't be easy with externals.

I like the template idea. Just a post with the logo, team info etc. Linked from table on OP or 2nd post.

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Quote from: slaman29 on October 11, 2023, 03:24:58 AM

What if... we also have pages on Sportsbet like a team/season profile with logos and updates every season like Superbru stats?

Not gonna happen, it is really problematic to add stuff to Sporsbet mainpage. It is difficult to maintain as is with bunch of different modules.

Only acceptable solution is that it is made right here on the forum in this thread. Which probably means in the table for weekly results. Now anyone of us could create a post in this thread maybe with their club info. And then we link to that trough name of the club in table. If we go for something like that, we will need a universal template to make it look uniform.

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Quote from: slackovic on October 11, 2023, 01:42:38 AM

notblox1 contacted me about my reserved logo in this thread that I completely forgot about it. I can't wait to see how it will look because I love logos that he made for you and cryptofrka! It would be great if everyone would have their logo, at least in the division 1.

Nice logos mate!! I never knew about this thread so I'm going to post in there, hopefully the price is affordable for fellow bsfl mates and in BTC naturally right? Wink

I'm also wondering how to use this logo. Avatar is great but our sponsors of signature already book that and I think need it more anyway.

What if... we also have pages on Sportsbet like a team/season profile with logos and updates every season like Superbru stats?

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Quote from: Trofo on October 11, 2023, 01:29:28 AM

Very nice looking logos man, thanks.

Now we just need to find proper ways to integrate logos into BSFL.

Also finding it very interesting that we have so many people posting here in their one week off Grin

Keep it up guys, means you are missing BSFL and that gives us extra motive going forward to make it even better.

notblox1 contacted me about my reserved logo in this thread that I completely forgot about it. I can't wait to see how it will look because I love logos that he made for you and cryptofrka! It would be great if everyone would have their logo, at least in the division 1.

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