was translated and checked by a native Russian speaker
Was translated and checked so incredibly, that moderator (not xandry - another one) considered it as translation via automated tools (violation of p.27)?:)
Topic: [staff] xandry: may I ask an explanation? Response received! - page 2. (Read 2667 times)
Was translated and checked so incredibly, that moderator (not xandry - another one) considered it as translation via automated tools (violation of p.27)?:)
I think it is fair to say that the Russian moderator is not interested in responding to this thread.
I personally have no objection to using merit being used for any method that makes the forum better. Including as rewards to reduce spam.
In the interest of fairness to him I sent a message to him in Russian pointing to this thread.
« Sent to: xandry on: June 23, 2018, 10:49:54 AM »
No reply but my post on exchange account phishing in the Russian language section that was there since June 2, has since been mysteriously deleted. (I received no email to say it was deleted)
(Was in the correct section, it was translated and checked by a native Russian speaker and it was a translation of my own original work)
Quite possibly just co-incidence but I think the messenger just got shot.
.....limping back to my corner....
Edit: I was wrong - it was co-incidence
I personally have no objection to using merit being used for any method that makes the forum better. Including as rewards to reduce spam.
In the interest of fairness to him I sent a message to him in Russian pointing to this thread.
« Sent to: xandry on: June 23, 2018, 10:49:54 AM »
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Пpивeт !
мoжeтe ли вы пocмoтpeть нa этo, пoжaлyйcтa
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/staff-xandry-may-i-ask-an-explanation-response-received-4330297
Я плoxo гoвopю пo-pyccки
мoжeтe ли вы пocмoтpeть нa этo, пoжaлyйcтa
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/staff-xandry-may-i-ask-an-explanation-response-received-4330297
Я плoxo гoвopю пo-pyccки
(Was in the correct section, it was translated and checked by a native Russian speaker and it was a translation of my own original work)
.....limping back to my corner....
Edit: I was wrong - it was co-incidence
This thread is getting worse, and it is not helping the image of Russians. The Russians that I've known have been hard working and intelligent. Telling them not to report themselves, or to submit blank reports makes them look stupid. If that is really the mental level of the reporters, then the last thing we want is to give them any merits.
Russian know-how
Recommendations for reporters from the moderator
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--4538939
Seems like they manage a report spreadsheet or what?Recommendations for reporters from the moderator
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--4538939
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1. Do not send reports to yourself...
2. Do not send reports...
3. No need to send reports...
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2. Do not send reports...
3. No need to send reports...
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Lazy mods abusing the merit system are a kick in the teeth for responsible merit sources.
Did you visit your dentist lately? 😀
Lazy mods abusing the merit system are a kick in the teeth for responsible merit sources.
You won't get an explanation. It's obvious that he is aware that his behavious is contrary to forum policy, and his lack of respnse would tend to indicate that he doesn't want to discuss it. His actions were probably done with the best of intentions, and an ethical man would apologise for his misunderstanding.
Well s/he is not stopping his/her same activities either so, I am not sure what's in his/her mind or stand in the issue.
Merit history:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=382413
http://loycevsbasement.privatedns.org/Merit/history/382413.html
Archive
Thanks to LoyceV's tools.
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You won't get an explanation.
- Let's hope you are wrong 
I am a very stubborn one. I will keep bumping the post for an explanation until I leave the forum for good.
You won't get an explanation. It's obvious that he is aware that his behavious is contrary to forum policy, and his lack of respnse would tend to indicate that he doesn't want to discuss it. His actions were probably done with the best of intentions, and an ethical man would apologise for his misunderstanding.
Merit is intended to be a rwward for making good posts.
Reporting posts is not "making good posts"
It is an abuse of the merit system for a mod to use merits to pay people to do his job.
Correct and it should be a common sense however seems like the mod/staff xandry do not have any interest to give us a clue of his thinking at all. Am I asking an illogical explanation? Reporting posts is not "making good posts"
It is an abuse of the merit system for a mod to use merits to pay people to do his job.
Ps: I am/will gladly waiting for his/her response in this topic.
Merit is intended to be a rwward for making good posts.
Reporting posts is not "making good posts"
It is an abuse of the merit system for a mod to use merits to pay people to do his job.
Reporting posts is not "making good posts"
It is an abuse of the merit system for a mod to use merits to pay people to do his job.
My 2 satoshi
Add rules Merit & new rank requirements
--- You can get the merit for the report to the moderator
or
--- You can not get the merit for the report to the moderator.
And there will be no ambiguity.
Now I understand the rules in this way:
I'm hoping that this system will increase post quality by:
- Forcing people to post high-quality stuff in order to rank up. If you just post garbage, you will never get even 1 merit point, and you will therefore never be able to put links in your signature, etc.
Or I'm wrong?
Add rules Merit & new rank requirements
--- You can get the merit for the report to the moderator
or
--- You can not get the merit for the report to the moderator.
And there will be no ambiguity.
Now I understand the rules in this way:
I'm hoping that this system will increase post quality by:
- Forcing people to post high-quality stuff in order to rank up. If you just post garbage, you will never get even 1 merit point, and you will therefore never be able to put links in your signature, etc.
Or I'm wrong?
Your sense really says that both cases are similar? Seriously! Dude do me a favor, instead of advocating for xandry, why not you knock him/her and ask to just give a feedback on this post? May be a statement which says s/he and theymos had an understanding on this issue whatever it is, just a satisfactory answer from xandry can close all these illusions.
bump
I also don't think xandry has to explain themselves to any of us.
Ok so... taking it as an encouragement (since this is something coming from staff, highly reputable personal for this forum, right?), what if everyone of us starts creating an ANN to reward the reporter (that's what it seems) with 1 merit? Would you think it will look nice? The whole beauty of the merit system is going to be ruined IMO.Joel_Jantsen's Merit Distribution Thread (Newbies Welcome)
So do you have a problem with this thread, which has been helpful in cleaning up the forum. With merit being a system I don't think there is any "beauty" to it. This would be the closest thing to beauty associated with the merit system in my opinion, objectively because I like the pattern.
So here is the thing theymos has given their thoughts on how they would like the program to proceed but in no way has laid out a clear/cut line on how to do so.
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May be s/he trusted our common sense however I think there should be a very clean clear guideline of spending sMerits. Thing is if we use common sense then we do not need the guideline. Of-course we can not expect everything to go 100% right. No one is perfect.
Perfection is definitely an unattainable aspiration; and not something this system can be. So in the end as long as the merits being given out in some way better the forum; make it rain.
In this case with no harm befalling anyone, the ends justify the means.
"calling out" is probably the wrong thing to put in the title. It suggests that Xandry has done something wrong which he has not.
May be you are right, I am having a feeling that it's more aggressive. I changed the title with more polite statement. Thank you for pointing out nicely.I also don't think xandry has to explain themselves to any of us.
Ok so... taking it as an encouragement (since this is something coming from staff, highly reputable personal for this forum, right?), what if everyone of us starts creating an ANN to reward the reporter (that's what it seems) with 1 merit? Would you think it will look nice? The whole beauty of the merit system is going to be ruined IMO.So here is the thing theymos has given their thoughts on how they would like the program to proceed but in no way has laid out a clear/cut line on how to do so.
May be s/he trusted our common sense however I think there should be a very clean clear guideline of spending sMerits. Thing is if we use common sense then we do not need the guideline. Of-course we can not expect everything to go 100% right. No one is perfect.
"calling out" is probably the wrong thing to put in the title. It suggests that Xandry has done something wrong which he has not.
@Steamtyme
That is exactly why theymos will not be having a word with Xandry. He said it himself that the merit system is not moderated and he can't do anything if someone decides to merit a post or not.
@Steamtyme
That is exactly why theymos will not be having a word with Xandry. He said it himself that the merit system is not moderated and he can't do anything if someone decides to merit a post or not.
Honestly I don't really have an issue with Merit being given for posts being reported. I don't think that every report needs to be merited.
I also don't think xandry has to explain themselves to any of us. They would have to explain themselves to theymos, and they may or may not make those conversations public.
So here is the thing theymos has given their thoughts on how they would like the program to proceed but in no way has laid out a clear/cut line on how to do so. From what I've seen theymos prefers to leave things unregulated but with some boundaries. There are also a ton of Merits that have been granted and not just in the first few care free fun days to objectively low-quality posts; or as a Hi five Bro!
Can't say I frequent the Russian board as it would all be Greek to me, but if this has improved the overall quality of the board then great. If it cleans up garbage and leaves quality posts in place, all the better.
I also don't think xandry has to explain themselves to any of us. They would have to explain themselves to theymos, and they may or may not make those conversations public.
I'm hoping that this system will increase post quality by:
- Forcing people to post high-quality stuff in order to rank up. If you just post garbage, you will never get even 1 merit point, and you will therefore never be able to put links in your signature, etc.
- Highlighting good posts with the "Merited by" line.
While we will not be directly moderating this, I encourage people to give merit to posts that are objectively high-quality, not just posts that you agree with.
- Forcing people to post high-quality stuff in order to rank up. If you just post garbage, you will never get even 1 merit point, and you will therefore never be able to put links in your signature, etc.
- Highlighting good posts with the "Merited by" line.
While we will not be directly moderating this, I encourage people to give merit to posts that are objectively high-quality, not just posts that you agree with.
So here is the thing theymos has given their thoughts on how they would like the program to proceed but in no way has laid out a clear/cut line on how to do so. From what I've seen theymos prefers to leave things unregulated but with some boundaries. There are also a ton of Merits that have been granted and not just in the first few care free fun days to objectively low-quality posts; or as a Hi five Bro!
Can't say I frequent the Russian board as it would all be Greek to me, but if this has improved the overall quality of the board then great. If it cleans up garbage and leaves quality posts in place, all the better.
A nod’s as good as a wink to a blind horse. Xandry, there's no place you can hide... 
All I am after is, a valid explanation from xandry and I really hope the explanation will make proper sense to at-least some of the members if not everyone.
A nod’s as good as a wink to a blind horse. Xandry, there's no place you can hide...
if you see me doing the calling out, that's because I expect DT members to be fair and not take their own sides and toss the rest of the people away.
First, stop pulling things to you, you are sounding like I am following your style? Come on D. Honestly speaking, I have no interest in your style or what you are doing in the forum.No you are actually not in a position to call out moderators like this, you can only call out theymos and present your evidence for him to take action, what you are doing is theymos's job, he is the one who should ask these questions not you. this is the red line of this forum which you are trying to cross...
What logic you are trying to apply here? Sorry, this is another one of your senseless logic.An admin do not need to call out anyone, means theymos can take action against anything just like this. Why s/he would bother to call out anyone? I am not doing anyone's job by calling out xandry.
I can ask question to anyone if I feel and see something is wrong so I am doing the same with xandry. Asking for an explanation because things are looking wrong here. If his/her
What you need to know is that theymos reads almost every single thread on meta especially where mods are involved, so it is safe to say that he has already seen this topic.
Safe to say and confirmed saying are two different things Mr. self declared, no case won yet, certificate less lawyer. this is the red line of this forum which you are trying to cross...
You still have not yet developed a sense (sorry, i am judging you from your history here) to understand red line, yellow line stuffs LOL Why? What I do not have here? Do I have to have a special privileged member to find things. I do not need special treat. Thank you.
No you are actually not in a position to call out moderators like this, you can only call out theymos and present your evidence for him to take action, what you are doing is theymos's job, he is the one who should ask these questions not you. this is the red line of this forum which you are trying to cross, if you see me doing the calling out, that's because I expect DT members to be fair and not take their own sides and toss the rest of the people away.
What you need to know is that theymos reads almost every single thread on meta especially where mods are involved, so it is safe to say that he has already seen this topic.
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