Topic: Stake flags for ponzi schemes here - page 2. (Read 1662 times)

Blushing  Grazie tante, babo!

you always accepted my friend

you know very well that I respect you, I voted you for the annual contest of the best members, I consider you a pillar of the community

I'm not very active in international areas because I have little time, but I read and I know who is a good person and who is an asshole

you are a great member

I really appreciate that The Italian Brotherhood came by to help HedgeFX! (Perhaps this was his initiation to be accepted in the brotherhood? )

I'm happy to lend a hand with the limited time I have available
I'm always ready to improve the community even at my personal expense
a cohesive community is a strong community
thank you for the trust you give me

According to bpip.org, 2 DT1 users just removed the old perv from their Trust list! Thank you babo and minerjones for giving a hand of help toward normality!



Still, if others (both DT1 and DT2) can distrust him the baboon will remain even more without power!

I had no idea, so the monkey still hasn't removed it, makes you wonder why individuals such as this one are allowed in the forum.



Thanks for the info, I edited my Trust Settings, hadn't paid too much attention to that part until today. As for me getting discouraged, I was looking into launching a campaign related to a licensed platform which will start it's operations within a couple of months, that negative rating is most definitely a killer. Hopefully everything is cleared by then, once again, thank you for your time nutildah, if it wasn't for you we would be floating around with a negative rating.

Oh, that reminds me of something I wrote in a post Timelord deleted, not sure if you had the chance to see it:

He is not on Default Trust anymore as more DT members distrust his judgment when it comes to ratings than trust it, but to be extra sure his ratings never display on your page (at least from how you view it), you can create a custom trust list by going to Profile->Trust->Trust Settings. Then enter user names who you think leave good ratings, and put a "~" before the name of users you think leave bad ratings. So for instance part of my list looks something like this:



You can see a user's current trust list by changing the user ID at the end to theirs (this one is for Timelord2067):

https://loyce.club/trust/2023-06-03_Sat_05.07h/131361.html

Here's a pretty unbiased guide to use of the trust system (including trust lists):

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/loycevs-beginners-guide-to-correct-use-of-the-trust-system-5191802


Try not to get too discouraged. Forum drama used to happen a lot more. Things are actually much better now compared to how they used to be.  

No, the negative trust is still there: Timelord was downgraded, he is not a DT member now

Oh the drama for no reason. This is tiring to say the least. I've been here for a year now and I most definitely wasn't expecting something like this from a, supposedly, reputable member of the forum. The negative trust has been removed, and the only reason for that is because the real reputable members decided to join, I thank you all for that. If it wasn't for you, the Lord of Time, or in this case, the Lord of Abuse, wouldn't have removed the ratings and at that point, it would be useless to hang around as that negative score is pretty much the first thing people see when they view your name on the left.

Timelord keeps deleting messages from his accusation post that prove him wrong.
It's hard to keep calm and not insult someone who does that.
 Also because his action could have ruined years and years of sacrifices and fairness that I have always had on this forum.

While I agree with the first part and don't think it's appropriate to insult anyone online or elsewhere, I believe the second part is overlooked.

When it comes to accusing someone of scam or of "being a persona that is risky to deal with", given the damage that one can cause to the accused member - the only thing that matters is how many times you get things WRONG, the number of cases you get right becomes less and less irrelevant, just like when a court judge or a neurosurgeon get it 99 right and then fail on the 100th time, it wipes out all those good shots.

Looking at Timelord or the other members who have accused hundreds of members, I can see the good intention they are based on, I am not saying they are bad or untrustworthy members, I just think they have no idea about the amount of damage they cause to innocent people along the way of pursuing the actual "bad guys".

I personally rather have 100 scammers walking around the forum than be unjust to one single honest member who contributes to the forum.

I usually don't join these DT-related discussions and I left DT1 willingly because I think this DT drama takes too much time and effort and keeps me from focusing on the more important things this forum has, I only came here because my name was mentioned and I got the notification when I read the topic, it reminded of something that happened to me a while back.

I hired a forum member to work on one of the projects for me, and he asked me to send the monthly payment to his BTC address on his profile, I did just that for the first month, and then I remembered all forum warriors who might accuse us of being alts, I asked him to send me a different address for the future payments and explained to him why, all this while knowing fair well that I and the member I hired would have many trusted members come to our defense and it would be impossible to have a solid proof that we are related in any way or shape, but the drama, the headache, and the hours wasted having to defend yourself just because someone thought they "found a solid proof".

I could only imagine what the other members who don't have anyone to defend them must be feeling when doing anything on the forum, the paranoia and endless fear of being wrongly accused and having their reputation ruined for nothing.

Such accusations require solid proof, and I believe everyone agrees on that, the problem however, we can't define what solid proof is, Timelord in his accusation against HedgeFX (which I just got to know about from this topic) was based on both users using an exchange wallet, I am not sure how strong of an evidence he thinks that was, and it's up to him to think whatever, but it just shows that we can never agree on the set of rules in regards to what makes a proof valid.

Now the real question is, what has the forum achieved by connecting all those alts (both right and wrong connections), and how much damage was caused? how many real scams did we prevent vs how many great members left because they couldn't stand the fact that some members have nothing better to do than follow their every post and transaction in an attempt to find or invent some proof to destroy their reputation?

Looking at someone like sandy-is-fine who has been actively fighting scam for years without getting any attention or posting a new topic/post for everything he finds, fighting scammers in their homeland sections, causing little to no damage to innocent users, using the least server resources, not having to post dozen of new topics connecting two newbie accounts that were created 2 hours ago and pose no risk to the community, I think that is a great example of how "protecting the forum" should be, not accusing two members of being alts because they made the same typo a year ago.


  

Timelord tripled down and decided to pursue more ghosts that aren't there by asking everyone to download the Okex wallet to prove the exchange doesn't use the labeled hot wallets. Mind you this is all irrelevant to the accusations he made, but he'd rather do this than remove his feedbacks or admit he was wrong... He's also deleting posts by the accused who are trying to defend themselves & others who are just asking questions.

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As a demonstration of good faith, I'm willing to admit that Timelord does occasionally produce meaningful investigative work. He encourages other members to bust cheating alt accounts which is an overall benefit to the forum. However, he also makes a lot of erroneous connections as well, and his inability to concede when proven wrong renders him a hazard for DT.

Coward!

You deleted, from your self moderated topic where you accuse me,  my screenshot post of messages with Alterra proving we are two different people. You make your own false accusations and ignore the evidence that everyone has ended up lying to you. You are a fascist!

Thank you for your kind words @yahoo62278 - hope your recovery is going well.

Thanks also to @1miau - I would have, however that thread is a moderated one which invalidates flags.

Thank you all for the support,

The accusations made by Timelord are absurd.
luckily your expertise has already brought out the truth. I can only confirm what has already been said and for fairness I also add the screenshots of the messages in which I asked Alterra for an extension of the loan, just for confirming that Alterra and I are two different people and that I have never gone overdue, but I have always communicated and asked to the lender first. Shasan can confirm that we get in touch every time I need a loan extension too.

Take a look:

+1
I agree here, it's better to bring it up in Request Support (or Opposition) for Flags here!
 

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Very true. The reference link is speaking for itself.
Aren't there recommendations to avoid supporting perv activities on the forum like some members in the past have done or MinoRaiola is engaging currently in the business?
I might remember we had some sort of discussion after a few incidents, where that shady stuff popped up here.
Being a plagiarist and enabling perv activities should be a big red flag already and the community is well advised to act against it.  

I am sorry, dear yahoo, but he accused me of trolling and FUD 3 years ago yet he never brought any arguments for his accusations. He only run like a rat each time I asked him. And he is alsways looking for victims of lower ranks! I've had enough of this idiot!

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Is it still unclear?


I am not looking this time for a civilized discussion. And I am also trying to deepen the disagreement as there can be no agreement with the old perv.

Besides, being an imbecile is a disease, not a libel

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Blushing


Indeed, sadly the unstable mind only becomes even more unstable during time. Having this combined with his occasional escapes from the mental institution, while he is also avoiding his pills, only brings his brain to the IQ of a peanut. As a consequence, when such incidents occur, the shits he stirs are only bigger and bigger.


That makes 2 of us


Sadly, excepting the 10 DT1 exclusions, he still has 9 DT1 inclusions (from minerjones, bitbollo, TwitchySeal, Igebots, KTChampions, YOSHIE, FatFork and Stalker22) plus some more inclusions from other DT2 users (which may become DT1 after a future reshuffle, which would only bring more strength to the lunatic). But, at least, if some of these DT1 users mentioned above would change their position it would still represent a huge hand of help.


Have you noticed that, after more users with good reputation came to this topic, he never showed up again? He is hiding like a rat now! He made a huge mistake posting here, inside this topic where he can not delete others' posts and now he is acting like a rat =))) And, if you'll spend 5 minutes to read also the topic where he was exposed for acting like an idiot toward hilariousandco, you'll also notice that he never showed up there. Do you think he did not observe that thread? Of course he did! But look at the reputation of the users which posted there. He turned into a very small, stinky rat and hid into a corner, crying for his pills.

dkbit98 also observed that. So it's not the first time when the baboon stirs some shit then runs and hides. I am almost certain he will not show up here again =)))


Let's hope for the best.

This is a great word. I've never seen it used before but I imagine its a real word.


Agreed, and what's worse is to be actively including Timelord in your trust list. Its 2023, the dude has only gotten worse in the 3.5 years since I left this feedback:


I disagree. His feedbacks for the most part are a mess, borderline psychotic. He spends way too much time leaving baseless tags, harassing & bullying smaller accounts for no good reason. He's done this for years & is always remorseless about it. There's simply no excuse for him to ever be on DT, even momentarily.


Yes I was going to and still might but now that I know the conversation I wanted to see is happening in this thread, I'm hoping it will suffice and be enough for Timelord to remove his tags & flags on the aforementioned two accounts. If he doesn't, surely some of the DT that still includes him in their trust list will reconsider, given what a clearly egregious misuse of the trust system this is.

It is not entirely clear to me why Timelord2067 started this discussion in the Lending section, plus in the self-moderated topic. I thought about opening a separate topic about this case,
but nutildah said he would open a new thread, so I didn't want to burden the same thing


I have already expressed my opinion about the case, the other members presented a few more facts, it seems obvious that there is no case here that @HedgeFX and @alterra57 are accused of.
Really tried to understand the urge to create this drama, but it seems that it is just a bit of self-centeredness and the desire for sensationalism. If there is a real concern here about investing in Ponzi or scam, I believe that this user should also be red-tagged, because he invested in a scam.

For a large part of his work, @Timelord2067 does a very good job, but unfortunately, mistakes like this happen. The main problem here is that even in spite of many arguments, he^Timelord2067 does not want to accept and admit that he was wrong. What makes the matter even worse is that he accepts every counter-argument as an attack on him. No matter how proven and irrefutable the arguments are, all those who say something contrary to him are some kind of his opponents.


You are absolutely right here, but if we follow Timelord's standards, he definitely deserves a negative tag.
He is causing damage in this case to two members as well as Lenders with ill-considered accusations. Regardless of whether he is right or wrong, currently, active loans(it seems that they have been repaid in the meantime) are immediately marked as high-risk, I believe that the lenders are not happy with the whole thing.

Shazan confirms loan repayment by HedgeFx, which makes this whole drama even more pointless.