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legendary
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June 04, 2023, 09:19:01 AM
#24
I planned to post on the other thread, but I will follow your example, derailing this thread.
I Hope OP doesn’t feel abused for this.



I have been summoned again on this feud between you two guys @HedgeFX and @Timelord2067.

I had already expressed my thoughts here, on this post.

I have been trying to follow your line of reasoning, Timelord, but I failed to grasp the clear, or even not clear, evidence HedgeFx was promoting a scam, a Ponzi, or whatever HYIP you think he is (ab)using.

Your entire line of accusation is based on weird address labeling and a subsequent vague heuristic proof.
And heuristic is not enough to accuse, let alone tag, someone.

Now, my English is far from perfect, but I will try to make myself understood with the following statements.
HedgeFX is a poster in the Italian board primarily, according to @tryninja website.
On that board, I never read him promoting any service/scam/ponzi or whichever other activity. He never mentioned anything he was doing with his fund, if we exclude vague references to "trading activity" without any further details. He never tried to sell anything to anyone.
As far as the forum is concerned, I can tell you that he wasn't promoting anything. and this is the only important thing as far as the forum and his community are concerned.

In the remote case HedgeFX is taking part of those scams, something I cannot be sure about, I can tell you that this would be something only the lenders should worry about, as this would hinder @HedgeFx ability to repay his debts. In this case, they could either raise his interest rate or stop lending to him. But I think this is something that should be based on the personal relationship between each lender and HedgeFX.

Since we are here speaking about something that shouldn't bother us, or HedgeFx ability to repay his debt, I find it quite absurd he's able to finance his "activities" if the lending record was as bad as you describe it. Probably lenders know something we don't, as it's their precise work to know their customers in order to maximize their profit. His ability to finance greater lending at greater speed from the most scrutinizing users of the forum to me is a sufficient guarantee that his creditworthiness is thought to be ok by them.

Is he preparing a colossal rug pull? I don't know. I don't think so, but I cannot be sure (if Yogg rug pulled, how can I be sure and vouch for HedgeFX?). The sure thing is that the proof you think you found are totally irrelevant.
I can't see anything wrong in HedgeFX doing.

Opposing this flag.
legendary
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June 04, 2023, 09:09:50 AM
#23
I am posting here as I am more than certain that, if I would post inside the lunatic's thread he would delete my posts. So, at least here, my message is safe.



As I already explained, with multiple occasions, in the past, TimeLord sometimes manages to escape from the mental institution where he is held for years now and, while he is out of his leash he does not take his pills anymore. When this happens, the village idiot comes on the forum either for trolling, for abusing users with low merits / ranks or to stir some shit. Even our Supreme Leader observed that:

DT is full of trust-abusing trolls, and Timelord2067 is one of the most notorious. That's why I excluded him, after all.

In February 2023 he tried to troll ibminer. In June 2022 he tried to troll hilariousandco. In January 2020 he had a beef with marboroza. Obviously, he ended up like a clown after confronting these users so he learned his lesson. Therefore, most of the time, when he is not institutionalized, he is looking for victims among users with lower ranks. Such as now, when he throws his imbecilities toward alterra57 and HedgeFx.

First of all, as examplens wisely observed,

If the lenders don't report a problem with loan repayment, I don't see what exactly is the problem here.

The baboon has no idea about how Flag system works. He just comes and throws a flag here and there, like a village idiot he is. So let's remember theymos' words to the baboon:

It's probably best if one of the victims makes a flag and the rest support it.

However, due to his very low intellect I highli doubt he will understand these words.

Regarding this part:

Timelord2067, I just saw that you left negative feedback on these accounts. I invite you to double-check the matter, the fact where someone spends their money should certainly not be the subject of trust assessment.

Dear examplens, the baboon has no idea also about how to use Marketplace Trust system. I already explained that here. Furthermore, you can see inside this link that he also accused me of being a troll, of causing conflicts and FUD. Although I asked him, in different topics, fore more than a dozen times, where I have ever created FUD or where I have ever trolled, he never replied. The imbecile runs like a rat when a user with good ranking confronts him.

Coming back to current case, of course I opposed both of his flags and I recommend this to all users to do the same. Furthermore, make sure you distrust TimeLord, as he is only stirring shit around and looking to harass users with low ranks. And he does it while forgetting that his contributions to the forum as so good, that he only managed to earn 1077 merits in 4.5 years, lol! (/s)

@HedgeFX and @alterra57: ignore the idiot. Nobody gives a shit for his flags or feedbacks. Most users know that TimeLord is highly delusional and he is in deep need for the pills given to him by doctors from the mental institution where he is held for a long time.

Furthermore, he is also a hypocrite: he dares to accuse others about anything, forgetting that he is an old perv, supporting pornography. Just like MinoRaiola, lol!

@fillippone, @examplens, @nutildah, @mendace, @yahoo62278 and all other users which posted in the other thread and opposed the irrational allegations of this baboon: make sure you distrust him. This is the only way to make sure his hallucinations appear only as Untrusted feedback and he won't be able to affect someone's Trust score.

I planned to post on the other thread, but I will follow your example, derailing this thread.
I Hope OP doesn’t feel abused for this.



I have been summoned again on this feud between you two guys @HedgeFX and @Timelord2067.

I had already expressed my thoughts here, on this post.

I have been trying to follow your line of reasoning, Timelord, but I failed to grasp the clear, or even not clear, evidence HedgeFx was promoting a scam, a Ponzi, or whatever HYIP you think he is (ab)using.

Your entire line of accusation is based on weird address labeling and a subsequent vague heuristic proof.
And heuristic is not enough to accuse, let alone tag, someone.

Now, my English is far from perfect, but I will try to make myself understood with the following statements.
HedgeFX is a poster in the Italian board primarily, according to @tryninja website.
On that board, I never read him promoting any service/scam/ponzi or whichever other activity. He never mentioned anything he was doing with his fund, if we exclude vague references to "trading activity" without any further details. He never tried to sell anything to anyone.
As far as the forum is concerned, I can tell you that he wasn't promoting anything. and this is the only important thing as far as the forum and his community are concerned.

In the remote case HedgeFX is taking part of those scams, something I cannot be sure about, I can tell you that this would be something only the lenders should worry about, as this would hinder @HedgeFx ability to repay his debts. In this case, they could either raise his interest rate or stop lending to him. But I think this is something that should be based on the personal relationship between each lender and HedgeFX.

Since we are here speaking about something that shouldn't bother us, or HedgeFx ability to repay his debt, I find it quite absurd he's able to finance his "activities" if the lending record was as bad as you describe it. Probably lenders know something we don't, as it's their precise work to know their customers in order to maximize their profit. His ability to finance greater lending at greater speed from the most scrutinizing users of the forum to me is a sufficient guarantee that his creditworthiness is thought to be ok by them.

Is he preparing a colossal rug pull? I don't know. I don't think so, but I cannot be sure (if Yogg rug pulled, how can I be sure and vouch for HedgeFX?). The sure thing is that the proof you think you found are totally irrelevant.
I can't see anything wrong in HedgeFX doing.

Opposing this flag.

Proper way to dispute a persons opinion. No name calling or any other high school drama.

Also opposed both flags
@Timelord2067 might be a proper time to reevaluate the situation. You don't have to trust the guys but for now you lack evidence.
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June 04, 2023, 09:01:13 AM
#22
This account must be removed from the forum or we must all give a red trust so that his account equals 0.

While I agree with first part of your sentence (yes, the forum will be better without the village idiot), unfortunately, there is no reason for giving him red trust. Remember, this is a Marketplace Trust system, and positive and negative tags should be given only for financial deals, not for trolling or being an imbecile.

Negative (shown as -1)
  • If you believe someone is a scammer, or someone is likely to scam, that deserves negative feedback. Please provide evidence.
  • If you really hate someone and he's a terrible troll, that does not deserve negative feedback.

However, a neutral feedback can be left for various matters. If you are curious, check the neutral feedback I left him (and you'll be amused to see that it's identical with the neutral feedback icopress also gave him Smiley).

So in this situation -- of imbecility taken to a whole new level -- only a neutral feedback is appropriate.

Yes it is true the red trust would change absolutely nothing for him and would continue to say nonsense.  I hope it gets kicked off the forum.
legendary
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June 04, 2023, 08:58:47 AM
#21
This account must be removed from the forum or we must all give a red trust so that his account equals 0.

While I agree with first part of your sentence (yes, the forum will be better without the village idiot), unfortunately, there is no reason for giving him red trust. Remember, this is a Marketplace Trust system, and positive and negative tags should be given only for financial deals, not for trolling or being an imbecile.

Negative (shown as -1)
  • If you believe someone is a scammer, or someone is likely to scam, that deserves negative feedback. Please provide evidence.
  • If you really hate someone and he's a terrible troll, that does not deserve negative feedback.

However, a neutral feedback can be left for various matters. If you are curious, check the neutral feedback I left him (and you'll be amused to see that it's identical with the neutral feedback icopress also gave him Smiley).

So in this situation -- of imbecility taken to a whole new level -- only a neutral feedback is appropriate.
sr. member
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June 04, 2023, 08:34:00 AM
#20


@fillippone, @examplens, @nutildah, @mendace, @yahoo62278 and all other users which posted in the other thread and opposed the irrational allegations of this baboon: make sure you distrust him. This is the only way to make sure his hallucinations appear only as Untrusted feedback and he won't be able to affect someone's Trust score.

Thank you Gazeta you are absolutely right and I will keep away from this crazy psychotic.  But since it's not the first episode so here we need something exemplary that really is, it can't always shit and then run away, our time is precious and we can't waste it finding reasons against a child's fun.  This account must be removed from the forum or we must all give a red trust so that his account equals 0.
legendary
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June 04, 2023, 08:26:05 AM
#19
I am posting here as I am more than certain that, if I would post inside the lunatic's thread he would delete my posts. So, at least here, my message is safe.



As I already explained, with multiple occasions, in the past, TimeLord sometimes manages to escape from the mental institution where he is held for years now and, while he is out of his leash he does not take his pills anymore. When this happens, the village idiot comes on the forum either for trolling, for abusing users with low merits / ranks or to stir some shit. Even our Supreme Leader observed that:

DT is full of trust-abusing trolls, and Timelord2067 is one of the most notorious. That's why I excluded him, after all.

In February 2023 he tried to troll ibminer. In June 2022 he tried to troll hilariousandco. In January 2020 he had a beef with marlboroza. Obviously, he ended up like a clown after confronting these users so he learned his lesson. Therefore, most of the time, when he is not institutionalized, he is looking for victims among users with lower ranks. Such as now, when he throws his imbecilities toward alterra57 and HedgeFx.

First of all, as examplens wisely observed,

If the lenders don't report a problem with loan repayment, I don't see what exactly is the problem here.

The baboon has no idea about how Flag system works. He just comes and throws a flag here and there, like a village idiot he is. So let's remember theymos' words to the baboon:

It's probably best if one of the victims makes a flag and the rest support it.

However, due to his very low intellect I highly doubt he will understand these words.

Regarding this part:

Timelord2067, I just saw that you left negative feedback on these accounts. I invite you to double-check the matter, the fact where someone spends their money should certainly not be the subject of trust assessment.

Dear examplens, the baboon has no idea also about how to use Marketplace Trust system. I already explained that here. Furthermore, you can see inside this link that he also accused me of being a troll, of causing conflicts and FUD. Although I asked him, in different topics, fore more than a dozen times, where I have ever created FUD or where I have ever trolled, he never replied. The imbecile runs like a rat when a user with good ranking confronts him.

Coming back to current case, of course I opposed both of his flags and I recommend this to all users to do the same. Furthermore, make sure you distrust TimeLord, as he is only stirring shit around and looking to harass users with low ranks. And he does it while forgetting that his contributions to the forum are so good, that he only managed to earn 1077 merits in 5.5 years, lol! (/s)

@HedgeFX and @alterra57: ignore the idiot. Nobody gives a shit for his flags or feedbacks. Most users know that TimeLord is highly delusional and he is in deep need for the pills given to him by doctors from the mental institution where he is held for a long time.

Furthermore, he is also a hypocrite: he dares to accuse others about anything, forgetting that he is an old perv, supporting pornography. Just like MinoRaiola, lol!

@fillippone, @examplens, @nutildah, @mendace, @yahoo62278 and all other users which posted in the other thread and opposed the irrational allegations of this baboon: make sure you distrust him. This is the only way to make sure his hallucinations appear only as Untrusted feedback and he won't be able to affect someone's Trust score.
legendary
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May 31, 2023, 05:48:55 PM
#18
I'm not saying there isn't something suspicious here, but as things are at the moment I'm not seeing enough evidence to justify the tags and flags.  I'm going to hold off on support or opposition for the time being.

I appreciate your thoughts and I am taking all information provided by everyone on board.
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May 31, 2023, 05:40:06 PM
#17
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I'm reluctant to pass judgement just yet.  I tend to agree with examplens' comments in the other thread that the participants of a ponzi shouldn't be tagged for their naivete.  Unless there's proof that alterra57 or HedgeFx are facilitating the ponzi, I think the red-tags and the flags are inaccurate.  

I'm also not convinced that the addresses used aren't merely coincidental due to them belonging to a relatively popular exchange, as nutildah has pointed out.  If it's proven that the two accounts are alts, giving a loan to yourself is pretty shady shit and would deserve a tag for that alone, but again I'm yet to be convinced.

I'm not saying there isn't something suspicious here, but as things are at the moment I'm not seeing enough evidence to justify the tags and flags.  I'm going to hold off on support or opposition for the time being.
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May 31, 2023, 03:50:03 AM
#16
I did look at that thread but like the thread I started it's a moderated thread so I couldn't create a flag. So, this thread seemed to be an (awkward I admit) close to the mark given its Ponzi orientated and there is no point me creating an unmodirated thread to then link to a moderated thread.
legendary
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May 31, 2023, 02:50:19 AM
#15
alterra57 u=3453976 (and by extension their alt HedgeFx u=2221175) are facilitating loans with funds acquired through their activities in Ponzis.

Flag HedgeFx: - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3171
Flag alterra57: - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3172

Proof:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62330423
Since marlboroza is AFK for 2 years now and point of this topic is to share ponzi flags so he can update it in the first post (which he later deleted for some reason), doesn't it make more sense to share flags in equest Support (or Opposition) for Flags here! ?

Regarding your proof, I have to take a look at it after I finished my coffee before I decide what to do about it.

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May 30, 2023, 09:36:13 PM
#14
alterra57 u=3453976 (and by extension their alt HedgeFx u=2221175) are facilitating loans with funds acquired through their activities in Ponzis.

Flag HedgeFx: - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3171
Flag alterra57: - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3172

Proof:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62330423

legendary
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June 01, 2020, 07:06:20 PM
#13
I removed sites, do you see it now?
I didn't check the thread earlier on but i can clearly see things right now despite having uBlock Origin turned on.

But in the past, I experienced this kind of thing and I even made a thread about it: Is this a forum bug?
@Theymos pointed this out, Maybe it could help @LeGaulois
It's a bug in the "uBlock filters" filter list: complain to them. They're blocking every containing the text "advert" with the rule: bitcointalk.org##:xpath(//span[contains(text(),"Advert")]/../..). This is such a general rule that there isn't much I could do to prevent it from blocking posts.

Ironically, I could easily make it not actually match the ad area, since unlike post contents, I control that...
legendary
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June 01, 2020, 04:55:13 PM
#12
I'm sure not the only one unable to read the original post. It's blocked by UBlock Origin but I don't know exactly why
Hm, there is nothing in topic except links to bitcointalk and archive, links to websites are not clickable. It pretty much looks like this:



 Huh

I removed sites, do you see it now?
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June 01, 2020, 04:19:31 PM
#11
Account: intec
Topic: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/autobuy-hyip-monitor-listing-own-hyip-monitor-listing-service-1020-5232917 (http://archive.is/Y120U)

This user sells hyip monitor listing service and is trying to help scammers to steal money from community, please support flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=1944

Nop, I don't sell a service, I sell a script code.

for MODERATORS, do CHECK: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.54031091

(I wonder why they didn't link this in the 1st place.)

It's not even a hyip script, rather a hyip listing monitor which can also be used for ad networks etc.

edit - I see they linked but they state it as a "service", perhaps they are track minded.

edit2 - You forgot to add the topic link on op  Roll Eyes



Everything helping scammers isn't very appreciated in the forum. While HYIPs are scams, most HYIPs monitors are too.
It's like if you say "Hey I sell guns, yes people die but I'm not responsible at any level!"

@marlboroza

https://i.imgur.com/lOmWAxB.png


I'm sure not the only one unable to read the original post. It's blocked by UBlock Origin but I don't know exactly why
Edit:
I removed sites, do you see it now?
Nope sorry
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June 01, 2020, 02:27:10 PM
#10
Account: intec
Topic: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/autobuy-hyip-monitor-listing-own-hyip-monitor-listing-service-1020-5232917 (http://archive.is/Y120U)

This user sells hyip monitor listing service and is trying to help scammers to steal money from community, please support flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=1944

Nop, I don't sell a service, I sell a script code.

for MODERATORS, do CHECK: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.54031091

(I wonder why they didn't link this in the 1st place.)

It's not even a hyip script, rather a hyip listing monitor which can also be used for ad networks etc.

edit - I see they linked but they state it as a "service", perhaps they are track minded.

edit2 - You forgot to add the topic link on op  Roll Eyes

legendary
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May 31, 2020, 11:59:09 AM
#9
Can one reference this link to create a valid flag ? So that there wouldn't be a need to always create new thread to reference a flag.
Yeah, just post proofs here, create flag, link this topic and I will update it with flag (topic is for flag type 1 only, if you are scammed and you need to create flag type 2 or 3 you will need to create new topic)
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May 31, 2020, 11:44:32 AM
#8
Can one reference this link to create a valid flag ? So that there wouldn't be a need to always create new thread to reference a flag.
legendary
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May 31, 2020, 10:44:10 AM
#7
Account: intec
Topic: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/autobuy-hyip-monitor-listing-own-hyip-monitor-listing-service-1020-5232917 (http://archive.is/Y120U)

This user sells hyip monitor script/service/whatever and is trying to help scammers to steal money from community, please support flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=1944
legendary
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February 03, 2020, 10:53:15 AM
#6
Archive: http://archive.is/8vmOE

Shill and promote Ponzi schemes created by WingTsun

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