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Quote from: satsave on March 26, 2021, 04:56:50 PM

i started a thread here to offer smaller bitcoin withdraw options for cheaper rate than what stake currently has for their fee (220 bits currently)

See thread here - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5322345

Arent you aware that there's still none who had been using up your service? Because simply no one would ever trust it.

Stake does have internal exchange which you can make use if a certain coin is having some problems with high fees.
Dinabot is a common one.

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i started a thread here to offer smaller bitcoin withdraw options for cheaper rate than what stake currently has for their fee (220 bits currently)

See thread here - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5322345

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Quote from: SquallLeonhart on March 26, 2021, 01:31:26 PM

These withdrawal talks are another example of Stake is not shrimp friendly

Just. Use. Another. Coin.

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Quote from: SquallLeonhart on March 26, 2021, 01:31:26 PM

These withdrawal talks are another example of Stake is not shrimp friendly, it charges a fixed fee that does change depending on the fee structure of bitcoin, but it could be very high, with us players who do not have a lot of money, we should be playing on other coins so that we do not have to pay a lot, also ignore ETH as well because that is a lot as well right now.

These are of course problems with the current situation and not just stake problems, the reality is that we could end up with something much better and not something like this if bitcoin and eth fee start to go down as a whole and stake would charge less. But what stake could do is, if you are a long time gambler, even if you played low amounts, it could drop that charge, sure it would cost them money but can we really say stake doesn't make that kind of cash already? They could afford it for people who lost 100+ dollars and even more.

In the rates this is the logical thing, if the Bitcoin rises a lot in price, the normal thing is that the rates are higher, when we are playing with currencies like Doge, it is not surprising that it is even cheaper compared to Bitcoin or ETH, When it comes to any currency, the platform guarantees the withdrawal of the currency but complying with the required fee, the platform cannot assume the costs of the fees, they would be losses and it is not in their policies.

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Quote from: RealMalatesta on March 26, 2021, 09:44:38 AM

It is weird that you came in here, there has been talks about stake not doing great for the time being, I get that symphonized is just marketing person, but you didn't even care about all these talks. There are talks about how you guys give whales so much and do not care about shrimps anymore and you do not even do anything for them anymore, compared to how you started and how much you were fair to everyone, you guys just ignore small amount players.

I'm wondering, do you even play at Stake and do you check all the available offers there (not only on the website but also on the forum and other social media)?
Saying that Stake is ignoring small players is completely wrong. I'm not a whale but I get something great in return at Stake, at least something that I cant get on other places.
Should I mention what are the offers? Reload, weekly bonus, monthly bonus,forum challenge, telegram challenge, special event bonus.
All these bonus are available for all players (not only whales) but you cant complain about the value/amount of each bonus.
It is logic when a casino gives higher bonus to those who wager more because these players are risking more money than small players.
If they do not care about small players, they wont have all offers available to all players.

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These withdrawal talks are another example of Stake is not shrimp friendly, it charges a fixed fee that does change depending on the fee structure of bitcoin, but it could be very high, with us players who do not have a lot of money, we should be playing on other coins so that we do not have to pay a lot, also ignore ETH as well because that is a lot as well right now.

These are of course problems with the current situation and not just stake problems, the reality is that we could end up with something much better and not something like this if bitcoin and eth fee start to go down as a whole and stake would charge less. But what stake could do is, if you are a long time gambler, even if you played low amounts, it could drop that charge, sure it would cost them money but can we really say stake doesn't make that kind of cash already? They could afford it for people who lost 100+ dollars and even more.

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Quote from: ryzaadit on March 26, 2021, 12:38:35 PM

Quote from: semobo on March 26, 2021, 12:35:08 PM

AFAIK, buying spins on the slots seems safer option because mostly I love to watch the spin based slots on the live which is kind of enthusiastic to watch and $300 maybe a small amount for the risk you took because people spend thousands of dollars and get the same in return is what I had expereinced.

You said that because watching, not actually playing.

The reality bonus future also have a high chance to lose more money, because you need to chase more than x100 to get your money back and yeah slot more often to give under x100. Have you ever experience bonus section without paying anything ? maybe you trying to gamble with your own real money and feels the feelings when you facing that situation ~XD.

Had experience with other slots as well but everything was unlucky on my side what I wanted to say is when you are going through spins you may have the chance of hitting the bonus on the final slots as well but yeah the risk is more for the returns but in my opinion, it looks better because you still have the chance which keeps telling on your mind.

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Quote from: semobo on March 26, 2021, 12:35:08 PM

AFAIK, buying spins on the slots seems safer option because mostly I love to watch the spin based slots on the live which is kind of enthusiastic to watch and $300 maybe a small amount for the risk you took because people spend thousands of dollars and get the same in return is what I had expereinced.

You said that because watching, not actually playing.

The reality bonus future also have a high chance to lose more money, because you need to chase more than x100 to get your money back and yeah slot more often to give under x100. Have you ever experience bonus section without paying anything ? maybe you trying to gamble with your own real money and feels the feelings when you facing that situation ~XD.

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Quote from: TelolettOm on March 25, 2021, 11:06:05 PM

Bad day for me. spend 300 $ within 10 Minutes. There are no jackpots at all at Profider Pragmatigplay. https://imgur.com/a/W8t4keT Starting with a bet of 20 $ and also raising it was just bad luck. Do you think it's relevant to buy spins or are we looking for a scatter in the slot?

Don't too familiar about that slot game you have played. As i heard from few people if slot has bigger risk to lose our money even though their RTP is quite high. Slot could turned your money to huge if you hit the jackpot, but you could lose all your money quickly too

AFAIK, buying spins on the slots seems safer option because mostly I love to watch the spin based slots on the live which is kind of enthusiastic to watch and $300 maybe a small amount for the risk you took because people spend thousands of dollars and get the same in return is what I had expereinced.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on March 26, 2021, 08:17:56 AM

#Betwrong, I am 100% with you on that, "Gates of Olympus" will suck you dry within minutes... and pay f#$%all in return. I have gone into full degen mode on this Slot before.. thinking I would eventually get something back.. but it was a bust ..every time. Roll Eyes

There are some of the "New Releases" that are very good and Slots like "Fire in the Hole" that was only released a week or two ago, would be a much better bet. Wink

(Gates of Olympus and Iron Bank are very hard to crack!)

I'm with both of you for Gate Of Olympus, IMO just the same like Shitty Lolipop Bonanza ~XD

But, for IRON Bank I disagree comparing to slot on the tops more prefer to Iron Bank the game have different option bonus future. I gues most people who rekt on Iron Bank because they want to chase a high multiplier by choose on the middle bonus. I more prefer on left not really big multiplier, the big multi but not make you rekt so much too ~XD

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Quote from: RealMalatesta on March 26, 2021, 09:44:38 AM

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Quote from: markk1 on March 24, 2021, 06:53:54 PM

I am very pleased with this casino! I've been playing it for a very long time, though there were big pauses. There used to be a faucet, now it is not, we could have made a progressive faucet for VIP players.

There are similarly distributed bonuses given out to VIP players still called a reload.

It is weird that you came in here, there has been talks about stake not doing great for the time being, I get that symphonized is just marketing person, but you didn't even care about all these talks. There are talks about how you guys give whales so much and do not care about shrimps anymore and you do not even do anything for them anymore, compared to how you started and how much you were fair to everyone, you guys just ignore small amount players.

There are talks about how third party apps are not trustworthy anymore, the fact that you built something like a provably fair foundation or something but then ignored all of it and got third party providers did upset some people. And there are talks about how your sportsbook provider and how you deal with that is not fair and should be done better as well. All of these are negative thoughts about stake, would you care to respond to those people with these fears?

He's already addressed the third party stuff, and complaining about whales getting a lot more than people who don't wager very much is just....dumb. They have daily roll hunts with 0 wager required, tons of weekly promotions that require 5 and 10 cent minimum bets, all the bonuses that the whales get the are based directly on how much they wager. If you want bigger bonuses, wager more. It's a casino not a charity.

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Quote from: Stunna on March 24, 2021, 08:56:09 PM

Quote from: markk1 on March 24, 2021, 06:53:54 PM

I am very pleased with this casino! I've been playing it for a very long time, though there were big pauses. There used to be a faucet, now it is not, we could have made a progressive faucet for VIP players.

There are similarly distributed bonuses given out to VIP players still called a reload.

It is weird that you came in here, there has been talks about stake not doing great for the time being, I get that symphonized is just marketing person, but you didn't even care about all these talks. There are talks about how you guys give whales so much and do not care about shrimps anymore and you do not even do anything for them anymore, compared to how you started and how much you were fair to everyone, you guys just ignore small amount players.

There are talks about how third party apps are not trustworthy anymore, the fact that you built something like a provably fair foundation or something but then ignored all of it and got third party providers did upset some people. And there are talks about how your sportsbook provider and how you deal with that is not fair and should be done better as well. All of these are negative thoughts about stake, would you care to respond to those people with these fears?

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Quote from: Betwrong on March 26, 2021, 06:25:40 AM

Quote from: TelolettOm on March 25, 2021, 11:06:05 PM

Bad day for me. spend 300 $ within 10 Minutes. There are no jackpots at all at Profider Pragmatigplay. https://imgur.com/a/W8t4keT Starting with a bet of 20 $ and also raising it was just bad luck. Do you think it's relevant to buy spins or are we looking for a scatter in the slot?

Maybe next time check out some reviews before starting playing. Gates of Olympus by Pragmatic Play is considered a high volatility slot, which means you should expect dozens of losses in a row, either entire ones or partial, when you are "winning" 0.05x or 0.3x of your bet. If you don't have enough balance for playing(and almost always losing) 100 rounds in a row, you shouldn't even start, imo. Of course, it's theoretically possible to hit the jackpot from the very first roll, but you should always keep in mind the probability of that event, to not be upset in the case of not hitting it within 20 rolls.

#Betwrong, I am 100% with you on that, "Gates of Olympus" will suck you dry within minutes... and pay f#$%all in return. I have gone into full degen mode on this Slot before.. thinking I would eventually get something back.. but it was a bust ..every time. Roll Eyes

There are some of the "New Releases" that are very good and Slots like "Fire in the Hole" that was only released a week or two ago, would be a much better bet. Wink

(Gates of Olympus and Iron Bank are very hard to crack!)

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Quote from: TelolettOm on March 25, 2021, 11:06:05 PM

Bad day for me. spend 300 $ within 10 Minutes. There are no jackpots at all at Profider Pragmatigplay. https://imgur.com/a/W8t4keT Starting with a bet of 20 $ and also raising it was just bad luck. Do you think it's relevant to buy spins or are we looking for a scatter in the slot?

Maybe next time check out some reviews before starting playing. Gates of Olympus by Pragmatic Play is considered a high volatility slot, which means you should expect dozens of losses in a row, either entire ones or partial, when you are "winning" 0.05x or 0.3x of your bet. If you don't have enough balance for playing(and almost always losing) 100 rounds in a row, you shouldn't even start, imo. Of course, it's theoretically possible to hit the jackpot from the very first roll, but you should always keep in mind the probability of that event, to not be upset in the case of not hitting it within 20 rolls.

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Quote from: TelolettOm on March 25, 2021, 11:06:05 PM

Bad day for me. spend 300 $ within 10 Minutes. There are no jackpots at all at Profider Pragmatigplay. https://imgur.com/a/W8t4keT Starting with a bet of 20 $ and also raising it was just bad luck. Do you think it's relevant to buy spins or are we looking for a scatter in the slot?

Don't too familiar about that slot game you have played. As i heard from few people if slot has bigger risk to lose our money even though their RTP is quite high. Slot could turned your money to huge if you hit the jackpot, but you could lose all your money quickly too

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Quote from: Stunna on March 25, 2021, 11:00:56 PM

Quote from: btcgrin-vic on March 25, 2021, 10:49:44 PM

Quote from: Stunna on March 25, 2021, 10:43:41 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

For all those who say stake doesn't overcharge at withdrawal fees, they do.
I wrote about this problem before and some smart guys said they will use the fee they charge you and people never overpay.

Stake charged me 0.00022 in fees but used only half of it ( 0.00011096 BTC ) for the transaction.

Is that fair? Why do I have to donate 5$ to stake?

Proof: https://imgur.com/a/DW2mNHA

Right now stake is only able to apply a fixed fee to what it charges users. We have consistently had the fee at 50% of what the daily average fees are. In this situation you withdrew money during a window of time where the fees crashed. We're working on moving over to a better wallet structure that will let the user decide their own fees and avoid issues like this. We've subsidized millions in fees for our users over the last 6mo so there is no intent to make $5 by ripping you off on fees. We'll review our fees now and lower them if necessary so we can go back to subsidizing part of the fees which has always been our protocol.

I appreciate the reply but it is not exactly true.
I have checked the withdrawal fee over the past 48 hours and it was 0.00022 the whole time. I thought about withdrawing several times, thats why I checked but now I thought ok it never changes and made my withdrawal.

Also, this does not answer my question why I get charged with a fee that does not get used. I paid 0.00022 so why does it get sent with 0.00011? Thats my main problem here.
I know fees are a problem but at least give me what I paid for. I pay 0.00022 so I can expect it to be sent with 0.00022 in fees, thats my main take here.

Yeah unfortunately you are one of the rare cases where fees suddenly dropped and you were overquoted because the fee we charge is static. Contact support and see what they can do for you, if they are not offering to help out send me a PM with your username and the details.

I think this transaction was also 1 input and 1 output which is why the fee pretty low also.

Support refunded me the difference. Thank you for your replies.

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Bad day for me. spend 300 $ within 10 Minutes. There are no jackpots at all at Profider Pragmatigplay. https://imgur.com/a/W8t4keT Starting with a bet of 20 $ and also raising it was just bad luck. Do you think it's relevant to buy spins or are we looking for a scatter in the slot?

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Quote from: Bitinity on March 25, 2021, 10:56:28 PM

Quote from: btcgrin-vic on March 25, 2021, 10:49:44 PM

Quote from: Stunna on March 25, 2021, 10:43:41 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

For all those who say stake doesn't overcharge at withdrawal fees, they do.
I wrote about this problem before and some smart guys said they will use the fee they charge you and people never overpay.

Stake charged me 0.00022 in fees but used only half of it ( 0.00011096 BTC ) for the transaction.

Is that fair? Why do I have to donate 5$ to stake?

Proof: https://imgur.com/a/DW2mNHA

Right now stake is only able to apply a fixed fee to what it charges users. We have consistently had the fee at 50% of what the daily average fees are. In this situation you withdrew money during a window of time where the fees crashed. We're working on moving over to a better wallet structure that will let the user decide their own fees and avoid issues like this. We've subsidized millions in fees for our users over the last 6mo so there is no intent to make $5 by ripping you off on fees. We'll review our fees now and lower them if necessary so we can go back to subsidizing part of the fees which has always been our protocol.

I appreciate the reply but it is not exactly true.
I have checked the withdrawal fee over the past 48 hours and it was 0.00022 the whole time. I thought about withdrawing several times, thats why I checked but now I thought ok it never changes and made my withdrawal.

Also, this does not answer my question why I get charged with a fee that does not get used. I paid 0.00022 so why does it get sent with 0.00011? Thats my main problem here.
I know fees are a problem but at least give me what I paid for. I pay 0.00022 so I can expect it to be sent with 0.00022 in fees, thats my main take here.

I think it is because Stake use a specific calculation system to send the withdrawal based on the current average transaction size. In some cases, the fee can be higher than what is charged to players and in other case the fee can be lower than what is charged (like what you shared) and it can be the same amount as what is charged. Since it is impossible to estimate the size of the withdrawal before players request it, then using an average is the most used system on almost any casinos. In a case where the fee is higher than what is charged to you, will you complain? Imho, the best thing to avoid it is by using altcoins such as doge/trx so you wont feel like that you are donating too much.

Tbh I never had a higher fee than charged, only same/lightly lower or a lot lower.
I don't understand why the fees aren't dynamic? it can't be that hard to implement dynamic fees on the site.
Or 1 free withdrawal per week like other sites do?

They invest so much time in adding new games to the casino but actually doing something to improve transactions isn't happening.

@Stunna: thanks, I asked support and he said he is checking. Waiting...

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