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1. Voter fraud is "likely to be found" according to some authorities, but the Trump campaign, the US DOJ, and Republican legislatures seem to be focusing on election fraud. That is systematic fraud conducted by the State rather than individual voters.
This is literally what happened when Trump won against Clinton in 2016 despite losing the popular vote against her. Many people alleged fraud and even tried impeaching him, but nothing changed. Trump remained the President.

The same thing is repeating again now. No matter how much Trump and his supporters whine saying fraud, media bias etc, the result won't change. Biden is the 46th POTUS and that is the reality.
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I think the meaning behind this is that they would expect Biden to not challenge the result similar to what Trump is doing now.

That's exactly the problem then, isn't it? Stake is willing to pay out a Biden bet despite a dispute from Trump, but perhaps wouldn't pay out a Trump bet if there was a dispute from Biden per that interpretation.
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The only decisive point in determining this contest is #3. I understand that sportsbooks need the ability to exercise discretion in cases where the results of a contest are contentious, but that discretion should be applied fairly and uniformly. Stake is paying out Biden bets on the basis that the electoral college will elect him. That should be the only criteria necessary to pay out Trump bets.

Note that I have no wager on this contest with this sportsbook. I'm just a little surprised to see this from Stake.
It should be the only one that counts.

The bet that was made was : the next President of the United States of America

So if Donald Trump gets his 270 Electoral Votes and becomes the next President, the Trump Bets should be paid out.

All markets that I've seen grade on the expected result of the Electoral College, and not the actual result. In the event of a faithless elector(s) causing a different president to be elected, sportsbooks would still grade the "real" winner as such.

It's definitely very interesting that Stake is grading a possible Trump win differently than the original bet. It opens them up to additional risk, such as a projected Biden win that ends up electing Trump via faithless elector(s). A normal Trump bet would not be graded as a win under those circumstances.

4. There is no requirement for a losing presidential candidate to secede in a US Presidential election.

I think the meaning behind this is that they would expect Biden to not challenge the result similar to what Trump is doing now.
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The only decisive point in determining this contest is #3. I understand that sportsbooks need the ability to exercise discretion in cases where the results of a contest are contentious, but that discretion should be applied fairly and uniformly. Stake is paying out Biden bets on the basis that the electoral college will elect him. That should be the only criteria necessary to pay out Trump bets.

Note that I have no wager on this contest with this sportsbook. I'm just a little surprised to see this from Stake.


It should be the only one that counts.

The bet that was made was : the next President of the United States of America

So if Donald Trump gets his 270 Electoral Votes and becomes the next President, the Trump Bets should be paid out.
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This is our biggest market ever on stake, the risk for us is in the millions so it definitely sparked a debate internally. Our odds provider is not settling it until next year and we couldn't hold user funds till feb or prematurely say that trump had lost just because the media has called the race. We did however create a set of criteria for what a trump win would constitute in case Trump plots a coup Cheesy . We tried to hit the right balance here and it has been amazing to see that bettors on both sides of the market have been telling us they are satisfied with our decision.

The criteria listed is as follows:

Quote from: Stake
Given that we are taking bets on the result of the election a winning Trump bet will only be possible if certain criteria are satisfied. All of the following would need to occur:

1. Voter fraud is proven
2. Votes are recast
3. Trump receives 270+ electoral college votes
4. Biden concedes

Problems with this criteria were brought up previously in this thread but not addressed.

1. Voter fraud is "likely to be found" according to some authorities, but the Trump campaign, the US DOJ, and Republican legislatures seem to be focusing on election fraud. That is systematic fraud conducted by the State rather than individual voters.
2. This is ambiguous. I do not believe this is referring to the selection of electors by the state or the voted conducted by the electoral college, as neither event has happened yet. This is probably talking about votes cast by the people. If so, to my knowledge, this has never happened in a US Presidential election. Votes are invalidated every year for many reasons. It seems likely that if the Trump campaign and GOP efforts are successful, then certain votes will be invalidated with no chance to be recast.
4. There is no requirement for a losing presidential candidate to secede in a US Presidential election.

The only decisive point in determining this contest is #3. I understand that sportsbooks need the ability to exercise discretion in cases where the results of a contest are contentious, but that discretion should be applied fairly and uniformly. Stake is paying out Biden bets on the basis that the electoral college will elect him. That should be the only criteria necessary to pay out Trump bets.

Note that I have no wager on this contest with this sportsbook. I'm just a little surprised to see this from Stake.
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it has been amazing to see that bettors on both sides of the market have been telling us they are satisfied with our decision.

You see, players really are easy to please.  All you gotta do is expose yourself to getting free rolled. Grin

Only time will tell if this was the easy or the hard decision  Cheesy
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it has been amazing to see that bettors on both sides of the market have been telling us they are satisfied with our decision.

You see, players really are easy to please.  All you gotta do is expose yourself to getting free rolled. Grin
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https://news.stake.com/us-election-2020-statement/

Official stake elections statement

Summary:"We have chosen to pay out on Biden early while allowing Trump bets to remain unsettled until there is more clarity."


We're actively settling Biden bets now as a win, if you bet on him you will get paid within 24h.
Man, seriously stake sets new examples for sports betting. How amazing it sounds to settle bets despite knowing that the user might withdraw the funds and move on later if they are known to lose somehow it would be a massacre for stake losing every bet technically. Stake keeps giving reasons to love them and really this is a great gesture from them, I was reading on their blog about this statement and really just don't have words for this kind of attitude towards the community, amazing!

I did make a bet on Trump so I have little hope now that maybe Trump can reverse things and hopefully come out on top but honestly speaking if that happens stake will lose a big amount of money as they already paying out Biden bets now and will have to pay Trump bets later so I don't know if I should even hope for a Trump win.

This is our biggest market ever on stake, the risk for us is in the millions so it definitely sparked a debate internally. Our odds provider is not settling it until next year and we couldn't hold user funds till feb or prematurely say that trump had lost just because the media has called the race. We did however create a set of criteria for what a trump win would constitute in case Trump plots a coup Cheesy . We tried to hit the right balance here and it has been amazing to see that bettors on both sides of the market have been telling us they are satisfied with our decision.
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https://news.stake.com/us-election-2020-statement/

Official stake elections statement

Summary:"We have chosen to pay out on Biden early while allowing Trump bets to remain unsettled until there is more clarity."


We're actively settling Biden bets now as a win, if you bet on him you will get paid within 24h.
Man, seriously stake sets new examples for sports betting. How amazing it sounds to settle bets despite knowing that the user might withdraw the funds and move on later if they are known to lose somehow it would be a massacre for stake losing every bet technically. Stake keeps giving reasons to love them and really this is a great gesture from them, I was reading on their blog about this statement and really just don't have words for this kind of attitude towards the community, amazing!

I did make a bet on Trump so I have little hope now that maybe Trump can reverse things and hopefully come out on top but honestly speaking if that happens stake will lose a big amount of money as they already paying out Biden bets now and will have to pay Trump bets later so I don't know if I should even hope for a Trump win.

I also see the same thing, it's really a good way of showing your truthfulness to your business, there's no need for Biden bettors to wait as it was announced that he win from that counts.

But due to any circumstances or any reason from the other camp conceding is not an opton so there are legalities that may take place.

Not sure what will happened once there's a turned in events, are stake willing to pay trumps bettors too?
And how they'll be able to get those winnings bets out from Bidens bettors, that's considered as free money
for them after recieving it.
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https://news.stake.com/us-election-2020-statement/

Official stake elections statement

Summary:"We have chosen to pay out on Biden early while allowing Trump bets to remain unsettled until there is more clarity."


We're actively settling Biden bets now as a win, if you bet on him you will get paid within 24h.
Man, seriously stake sets new examples for sports betting. How amazing it sounds to settle bets despite knowing that the user might withdraw the funds and move on later if they are known to lose somehow it would be a massacre for stake losing every bet technically. Stake keeps giving reasons to love them and really this is a great gesture from them, I was reading on their blog about this statement and really just don't have words for this kind of attitude towards the community, amazing!

I did make a bet on Trump so I have little hope now that maybe Trump can reverse things and hopefully come out on top but honestly speaking if that happens stake will lose a big amount of money as they already paying out Biden bets now and will have to pay Trump bets later so I don't know if I should even hope for a Trump win.
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Great way to handle this bets around the US elections, showing once more why Stake is one of the best crypto casino's!

That's a nice accumulator win! I tried in the past to create multiples with low odds, but I always failed  Smiley.
Parlays are hard to hit and it feels brutally painful when you miss a parlay by 1 or 2 bets and that is what often happens with me.

I agree that the stake's stand towards election result is really good but to be fair they should just settle trump as lost and biden as win because clearly even google shows that biden has got it so I don't know why they are taking the risk in case trump wins from court or something like that happens.

Good luck for trump bettors but really don't have your expectations too high because as sweet as it sound to have trump do the impossible by proving there was a voter fraud but really I don't think there is a realistic chance at all here.
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What is singular is that Biden needs to concede for Trump bettors to win but Trump doesn't have to concede for Biden bettors to early payout. This is a discrepancy and shouldn't be a requirement if it's not applied to both parties.

Betfair, Paddy Power, William Hill, Pinnacle, MyBookie and others are still waiting because the Media doesn't have legal authority. It's fine if you guys want to pay biden early but I have confidence in "We will do our best to employ logic and reasonability around our outcomes as more information comes into play." So it's fine. But remember, the result is always certified by law, not by media, biden bettors weren't owed this outcome. Stake has proven to be a very fair and square platform beyond legal requirements. But I expect compliance and professionality the official result to be honored. The outcome and official result is disputed and not certified, so I expect Stake.com to abide the legal and certified outcome of this election in the same way all major and licensed providers will do. Otherwise there'll be elements for a class action, of course nobody wants that and it'll likely not happen but it's important to think the requirements very well because it's about the official result, media doesn't elect presidents, they called early because it's a collusion, anyways, we'll see. As of now I'm fine with stake.com approach as long as it's legal, fair and reflects the officials decision on the matter which is currently disputed and ongoing. Technically the counting hasn't even ended, and officials have clearly stated recounts, "glitches" are being adjusted and else. As long as the legal and official outcome is respected it's fine. Any action different from the official result will not be legal. Bush vs Gore election lasted 54 days. This is going to take less but I expect fairness to Trump bettors if he wins.

even if stake.com does not want to cancel the bet on trump and trump stayed in the white house and does not want to give
presidency the  for biden . I hope one of Trump's wealthy because will compensate the bettors of trump on stake.com only . because stake.com already doing a professionelle work

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https://news.stake.com/us-election-2020-statement/

Official stake elections statement

Summary:"We have chosen to pay out on Biden early while allowing Trump bets to remain unsettled until there is more clarity."


We're actively settling Biden bets now as a win, if you bet on him you will get paid within 24h.

So, people will win either way.. no matter who they bet on? I know Eddie said that there was over $4 000 000 that was bet on this election results, just on Stake in his Stream over the weekend.  Wink

Well, I will be happy... because I dropped a few dollars on Trump for a win.. even if I do not really like any one of the two. Thank you for keeping us up to date on this matter, because it dominated the discussions in the chat the last few days.  Wink
Yes, I as well feel this is probably the perfect way to handle the situation. We know that Biden won, many people talk about the 2000 elections like it was anything similar whereas there is a million different things happening right now with millions of votes difference total in multiple states versus just one state with few hundred votes difference back in 2000, so it is obvious that Biden won.

However we also know Trump fans and we also know gamblers, when you combine it to have a gambler trump fan we all know they will cry out wolf and try to still have a single shred of hope that he might win and they are attaching to this "voter fraud" idea all this well because of it, they hate losing and unless Biden official becomes president there will be ones who will deny the situation.
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Trump initially accepts voting via mail or email
then in the end, when he lost, perhaps the vote counting was misused, he opposed and said that there was fraud
The political situation in America may continue for a long time - a month or more than a year
I want to say that the site has settled bets election 2020 with a professional way. Where he assumed the loss of the users who voted for Trump . trump was the one who made a mistake when he accepted the vote via mail
thank you for stake.com and stunna
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Biden has over 300 votes in his favor. You seem to be expecting Trump to suddenly turn things around in the swing states and win them over. Hilarious. His own family is asking him to concede instead of acting like a sore loser. He is fired plain and simple.

Now I know youre delusional!  Cheesy Cheesy

He has 279, right now!
This number will go back and he will fall below the required 270...
Where do you read this nonsense, please tell me so I can read these crazy claims  Grin
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You probably started following politics this election and don't know how this works.... Biden has 259 votes already.... PROJECTED ofc, will shrink further.
Am not an expert in the political sector or anything, but I do possess more knowledge regarding the outcome of this election when compared to your delusional rants in this thread.

Biden has over 300 votes in his favor. You seem to be expecting Trump to suddenly turn things around in the swing states and win them over. Hilarious. His own family is asking him to concede instead of acting like a sore loser. He is fired plain and simple.
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Great way to handle this bets around the US elections, showing once more why Stake is one of the best crypto casino's!

That's a nice accumulator win! I tried in the past to create multiples with low odds, but I always failed  Smiley.
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Wow. Crazy accumulator win. Those odds are insane. I usually stick to betting on 1.1 or lower odds in such long accumulators for obvious reasons which is why your win is truly impressive.

He most probably will, biden lead is shrinking and GA PA AZ went back to undecided and biden has 259 votes now, he will prolly lose others as the process unfolds.
You guys seem to be delusional in so many ways. Georgia and Pennsylvania won't flip anymore. Arizona could flip, but I doubt that will happen. Trump going to court and moaning like a loser won't change anything. Move on people.
Sometimes moving on don't solve your problem most especially when there are clear signs that moving on is not the best option for you. Sometimes it better to fight to the last point available on what you believe in most especially when you have evidence and conviction.
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