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Topic: Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract! Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock] - page 60. (Read 300686 times)

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The other reason COG is "valuable", besides 2.05GH/share with 50% reinvestment, is cog has been around through three different exchanges and each time the operator didn't run off with the goods, though he could have.  COG has been paying dividends for over a year (and afaik there has been only one incident, somewhat recently, where divs were missed - we are still unclear on why).

As much as people have been complaining recently about this div issue (rightfully so!) many people trust COG over some unproven org that has been around for shorter, or said things like "oh, yeah, we're *totally* gonna have a petahash in march" or whatever, with no history of actually doing stuff like that.  Garrett was an early customer of Cointerra too, and supposedlly negotiated a *very* good bulk purchasing deal, and he has said he hoped to have another one for Q2 2014, again implying that COG's future is bright.

To clarify, after the last exchange move, there were some unclaimed share, but the *real* totals are 10420 shares + 100 COG.F1 + 100 COG.F2.  F1 and F2 started off different but a motion has joined them to be exactly equivalent now.  When the cointerra order arrives (should be in the next week or two) each F1 and F2 share will convert into 20 COG shares, and our current hashrate is ~750GH/s, but after cointerra it will be 28.75 TH/s


EDIT: Oh, almost forgot - we have also recently purchased some scrypt miners, so that is going to supplement DIVs (will still be converted to and paid in BTC).  It is unclear what the profit projections are on that.

Can I make a correction to this statement? Most people here really don't care much as they've invested only in COG, F1 and F2, but Garrett is on DEFAULT on FIMB (a BTC bond with 2% monthly interest) since October/2013, and given his (famous) elusiveness and how irresponsibly he has been treating this subject, I already feel like I have been robbed.

I've been around here demanding a solution for months with no concrete results. Sometimes Garrett will touch the subject and say something like "it will be paid next week" or "it is going to Havelock soon" only to gain more time, and that's pretty much it. EVEN IF YOU HOLD ONLY COG/F1/F2 AND DON'T HOLD FIMB BONDS, YOU SHOULD BE DEEPLY WORRIED ABOUT IT BECAUSE A DEFAULT IMPLIES A COMPLETE LACK OF CONFIDENCE IN THE UNDERLYING ISSUER.

Garrett, I won't stop posting until you pay up, and if there is one thing I can promise is that this will get worse as time passes.
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The other reason COG is "valuable", besides 2.05GH/share with 50% reinvestment, is cog has been around through three different exchanges and each time the operator didn't run off with the goods, though he could have.  COG has been paying dividends for over a year (and afaik there has been only one incident, somewhat recently, where divs were missed - we are still unclear on why).

As much as people have been complaining recently about this div issue (rightfully so!) many people trust COG over some unproven org that has been around for shorter, or said things like "oh, yeah, we're *totally* gonna have a petahash in march" or whatever, with no history of actually doing stuff like that.  Garrett was an early customer of Cointerra too, and supposedlly negotiated a *very* good bulk purchasing deal, and he has said he hoped to have another one for Q2 2014, again implying that COG's future is bright.

To clarify, after the last exchange move, there were some unclaimed share, but the *real* totals are 10420 shares + 100 COG.F1 + 100 COG.F2.  F1 and F2 started off different but a motion has joined them to be exactly equivalent now.  When the cointerra order arrives (should be in the next week or two) each F1 and F2 share will convert into 20 COG shares, and our current hashrate is ~750GH/s, but after cointerra it will be 28.75 TH/s


EDIT: Oh, almost forgot - we have also recently purchased some scrypt miners, so that is going to supplement DIVs (will still be converted to and paid in BTC).  It is unclear what the profit projections are on that.
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What I have found:

on havelock now:
COG - 9577 shares
COG f1 - 96
COG - F2 - 95

it gives us 9577+96*20+96*20 = 13397

GHS- 28,75 Th - so 28,75/13397 about 2.05 Ghs per share am I right?
But 50 % for reinvestment so we get dividents from only 1.025 Ghs. So price for one share is correspond to about 1ghs. It is not best solution I have found on havelock.
Or maybe I am missing something.

And still dont know why there is big difference in price for contract f and f2??

Both are very illiquid  - that's the reason for the difference.
There are still some unclaimed shares  - unclaimed on Havelock. In total probably about 14500 (?) shares (F1 and F2 included).

When comparing Ghs between mines: compare Ghs/share and don't take into account reinvestment rules.

If you want to calculate dividend then reinvestment is important but reinvestment is also some form of 'dividend' as it normally increases Ghs/share  and thus increases future payouts.

Hope it helps.



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What I have found:

on havelock now:
COG - 9577 shares
COG f1 - 96
COG - F2 - 95

it gives us 9577+96*20+96*20 = 13397

GHS- 28,75 Th - so 28,75/13397 about 2.05 Ghs per share am I right?
But 50 % for reinvestment so we get dividents from only 1.025 Ghs. So price for one share is correspond to about 1ghs. It is not best solution I have found on havelock.
Or maybe I am missing something.

And still dont know why there is big difference in price for contract f and f2??
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I think garret will gladly provide all that information in his financial report will come 2 weeks ago.
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Hi Guys,

Could someone explain me how to understand contracts COG F and COG F2. It is said that one contract represents 20 shares in COG, it will be some transfer done when equipment arrive for Cog or what?
What is the difference between COg f and cog f2? the prices are different but it should represents the same (20 shares in COG) or I am missing something?

For example when I buy one contract of cog f - it means that when hardware for cog arrives I will get 20 shares of COG? or maybe when 100 contracts will be sold of cog f - then Garry will buy miners and establish new found ang give me 20 shares?

What is the difference between f and f2?

And last but not least - how many GHs I will get for one direct COG share now?

Thank You I would like to invest but am compeltly noob right now:/
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Any COG shareholders going to the Bitcoin conference in Miami next weekend, Jan 25th-26th?

PM me if you are.
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Psi laju, karavani prolaze.

Cognitive is run by a guy who has little time. I suggest he gets Cognitive right first, before venturing into every possible available altcoin.


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You slanderous souls!
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Cognitive is run by a guy who has little time. I suggest he gets Cognitive right first, before venturing into every possible available altcoin.

Yes but this part could be managed by an other person. The is no geographic requirement so anyone from this group could do it.
We can have a small CPU team like :
 - One person that write and test the auto-install script
 - One person that decide which coin to mine according to calculation
 - One person that rent servers and copy paste the script
 - One person that sell the coins on this forum or on exchange
Everyone could check the mining pool data and the main wallet.

It is all about getting a bit organized and having some staff or volunteers.

Currently I don't think organisation is Cognitive's strong point.

Sounds like you got a plan though. Have you thought of starting your own security?
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Cognitive is run by a guy who has little time. I suggest he gets Cognitive right first, before venturing into every possible available altcoin.

Yes but this part could be managed by an other person. The is no geographic requirement so anyone from this group could do it.
We can have a small CPU team like :
 - One person that write and test the auto-install script
 - One person that decide which coin to mine according to calculation
 - One person that rent servers and copy paste the script
 - One person that sell the coins on this forum or on exchange
Everyone could check the mining pool data and the main wallet.

It is all about getting a bit organized and having some staff or volunteers.
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Also what do you think about my idea of cloud-mining CPU coin ?
I like that it is low-risk, but if it takes a lot of time/effort to set up that might be better spent elsewhere, that'd be my only concern.  There are always opportunity costs.  If it was easy to set up, everyone would do it.

I am into CPU mining and I can tell that every time a new CPU coin is launched, there is an unbelievable jump of difficulty due to cloud mining.
All CPU coins are mined at 90% by cloud server.

It is very fast to setup because you don't deal with the hardware. You just write a nice auto-install script and copy paste it on hundred of server you just rented.

The only little problem is that you need a bank account with FIAT to rent most of servers. Some accept Bitcoins but they are expensive.

Cognitive is run by a guy who has little time. I suggest he gets Cognitive right first, before venturing into every possible available altcoin.
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Also what do you think about my idea of cloud-mining CPU coin ?
I like that it is low-risk, but if it takes a lot of time/effort to set up that might be better spent elsewhere, that'd be my only concern.  There are always opportunity costs.  If it was easy to set up, everyone would do it.

I am into CPU mining and I can tell that every time a new CPU coin is launched, there is an unbelievable jump of difficulty due to cloud mining.
All CPU coins are mined at 90% by cloud server.

It is very fast to setup because you don't deal with the hardware. You just write a nice auto-install script and copy paste it on hundred of server you just rented.

The only little problem is that you need a bank account with FIAT to rent most of servers. Some accept Bitcoins but they are expensive.
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Also what do you think about my idea of cloud-mining CPU coin ?

I like that it is low-risk, but if it takes a lot of time/effort to set up that might be better spent elsewhere, that'd be my only concern.  There are always opportunity costs.  If it was easy to set up, everyone would do it.
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Completely unrelated to recent discussion - I was recently pointed to GridChip, which is working on a Scrypt ASIC, and recently presented 400 developer boards in early december.
https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=9545.0
Might be worth investigating - I am not very positive on altcoins in general but if we can make more mining altcoins then immediately converting to BTC, I'm in favor.



Yes let's get these chips for cheap and find an assembly. Is Garrett or anyone able to assembly chip/board ?


Also what do you think about my idea of cloud-mining CPU coin ?
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Completely unrelated to recent discussion - I was recently pointed to GridChip, which is working on a Scrypt ASIC, and recently presented 400 developer boards in early december.

https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=9545.0

Might be worth investigating - I am not very positive on altcoins in general but if we can make more mining altcoins then immediately converting to BTC, I'm in favor.
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Psi laju, karavani prolaze.
Why doesn't Cognitive do like every reasonable and professional company ....

Hahaha, comedy gold.
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For those of you who clearly aren't very up on what "share", "stock", and "equity" means: http://www.investopedia.com/university/stocks/stocks1.asp
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Unclaimed shares obviously do NOT have an owner -snip-

Im just going to let that sink in and leave this thread for a little bit.

Those shares wouldn't exist without an owner. Claimed =/= Owned.

MilkyLep is completely right here.  A democracy doesn't mean the majority should vote to treat the minority unfairly.  If this terrible precedent was set, what is to stop Garr from deciding to send out an email asking *everyone* to "re-claim" their shares, or forfeit them, one whatever arbitrary schedule he wants?  If we raised a motion today to do this, everyone who saw the motion would think "Hey, *I* will answer the email, so my shares are safe, and if we reclaim/destroy other people's shares, mine are more valuable" - so everyone who attentively checks the motion has a motive to vote yes, and everyone who doesn't doesn't get represented.  This is terrible.

Cognitive is as "real" a company as any.  The whole point of bitcoin is enabling companies outside of the tethers of government control.  If two people get married without government involvement, is their marriage "not a real marriage"?  If someone starts a company without filling out the paperwork in whatever arbitrary country you decide to care about, are they not "a real company"?  Who gave you the right to say such bullshit?  COG is as real as Garrett keeps it, by his own actions.  Real doesn't mean perfect, it doesn't mean successful, it doesn't mean recognized by arbitrary governments, it means "reflects reality".

Contractually, a "share" of a company is a contract saying you own one portion of a company.  If you destroy these, or reassign their ownership, not only are you breaking contract, you are also stealing someone's property and casting doubt on the future reliability of everyone else's shares.
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Unclaimed shares obviously do NOT have an owner -snip-

Im just going to let that sink in and leave this thread for a little bit.

Those shares wouldn't exist without an owner. Claimed =/= Owned.
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What?! How do you even justify that? Of course they are entitled to the back dividends...

Unclaimed shares still have an owner, and it's not another party who hasn't purchased those shares. Why doesn't Cognitive do like every reasonable and professional company and use REVENUE to pay for staffing? Or better yet, Garr takes some of his shares and uses that as payment for the additional staff.

Is there a financial statement out yet? The one promised what, December 2nd?

Unclaimed shares obviously do NOT have an owner or they would've been claimed by now.  Put the democratic process to work and let other shareholders decide if this is something the want to execute.

Time is money.
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