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August 08, 2014, 11:26:59 AM
#13
And I have not seen any benign examples of state atheism offered either.  Now, the comment about atheists don't go hating on religious - whether that is true of individuals, when given the power of the state as in the above examples, we see a different story.
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August 08, 2014, 11:22:59 AM
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A theocracy may not be "worse" than a state atheism, but, the problem is, that in a theocracy the common people will suffer more at each other's hands than they do under state atheism. State atheism, once it has weeded out the clerical type, doesn't need to foment hatred. But a theocracy, in order to maintain power, must ALWAYS foment hatred against those who are different than the ruling religion, and moreover must push constant memes of intolerance and hatred to maintain the support of the populace.

Atheists generally don't go hating on religious. They may feel contempt for them, or pity, but not hatred. But religions hate each other, and killing in the name of a god justifies any behavior.
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August 08, 2014, 11:21:55 AM
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Actually, upon further though, I can think of examples that were better than those given for state atheism.But again, off hand, cannot think of any that were worse - if you think of any, please do post them here.
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August 08, 2014, 11:21:40 AM
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Somalia, Sudan, Iran, the list goes on....try building a church in one of those places Tomas.  I help fund you to go there and see how much better they are than China when you go to promote christianity.
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August 08, 2014, 11:20:23 AM
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Historically, what examples of a Theocracy are you referencing, out of curiosity?any of them.   No point in discussing.  All bad.  End of discussion.
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August 08, 2014, 11:14:00 AM
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If I had to choose between a Theocracy or State atheism I would pick the latter every time.
Historically, what examples of a Theocracy are you referencing, out of curiosity?Kind of hard to compare and discuss your point, unless you have some specific examples in mind.
A theocracy is a theocracy is a theocracy. All the same and all bad. A government free of state religion but allowing people to worship their Gods is perfect. If only theists would be happy with such abundance.
But the subject was state atheism, and you made a claim - and interestingly, you have not given any examples.

And mind you, not saying there is not any worse than the examples in the OP.  Not all theocracies are based on the same god, for example.

Just off hand, I myself cannot think of any.
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August 08, 2014, 10:22:11 AM
#7
Got curious and was checking out China's position on religion.

Came across this article on State Atheism.  Rather interesting - rather like a State Church, like was common in Europe.  And, at least by definition, not the same as a secular state.

Examples of such were/are the communist states, Revolutionary France and Revolutionary Mexico.  The article goes into detail on each such country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism

State atheism is the official promotion of atheism by a government, sometimes combined with active suppression of religious freedom and practice. In contrast, a secular state purports to be officially neutral in matters of religion, supporting neither religion nor irreligion. State atheism may refer to a government's anti-clericalism, which opposes religious institutional power and influence in all aspects of public and political life, including the involvement of religion in the everyday life of the citizen.

Well, surprise surprise... Atheism in it's weak form is a good thing (in my opinion). But many atheists are not a single bit 'better' or open minded than the most religious nutjobs. If you are running around and tell people that their religion is wrong and they shouldn't force their believe on others, well go figure what you're doing yourself!
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August 08, 2014, 10:12:00 AM
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If I had to choose between a Theocracy or State atheism I would pick the latter every time.
Historically, what examples of a Theocracy are you referencing, out of curiosity?Kind of hard to compare and discuss your point, unless you have some specific examples in mind.
A theocracy is a theocracy is a theocracy. All the same and all bad. A government free of state religion but allowing people to worship their Gods is perfect. If only theists would be happy with such abundance.
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August 08, 2014, 10:05:23 AM
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Although no matter what one believes about theology, including the origins of man, there are still difficult questions, atheism does not do a good job either recognizing the existence and nature of evil, or explaining its origin.
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August 08, 2014, 05:55:30 AM
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There are a few Atheist churches in the world. .  where people congregate for service. .
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August 08, 2014, 05:50:42 AM
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If I had to choose between a Theocracy or State atheism I would pick the latter every time.
Historically, what examples of a Theocracy are you referencing, out of curiosity?Kind of hard to compare and discuss your point, unless you have some specific examples in mind.
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August 08, 2014, 05:28:21 AM
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If I had to choose between a Theocracy or State atheism I would pick the latter every time.
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August 08, 2014, 05:20:45 AM
#1
Got curious and was checking out China's position on religion.

Came across this article on State Atheism.  Rather interesting - rather like a State Church, like was common in Europe.  And, at least by definition, not the same as a secular state.

Examples of such were/are the communist states, Revolutionary France and Revolutionary Mexico.  The article goes into detail on each such country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism

State atheism is the official promotion of atheism by a government, sometimes combined with active suppression of religious freedom and practice. In contrast, a secular state purports to be officially neutral in matters of religion, supporting neither religion nor irreligion. State atheism may refer to a government's anti-clericalism, which opposes religious institutional power and influence in all aspects of public and political life, including the involvement of religion in the everyday life of the citizen.
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