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zolace

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None from the first link that you provided, however. So, then, you agree that the first link you provided does not support your case regarding atheism, Norway and happiness?

Not sure if it is reading issues with you, or a problem with honesty, or what, so I will again ask for your sake:

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First link you used to in your defense was as follows:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2013/10/29/the-worlds-happiest-and-saddest-countries-2013/

Now, if you think this link still supports your position on Norway - copy and paste the part that does here from that link. If you have done that before in this thread, you should be able to point to it - especially given you say you have done so 'many times'. Then I will gladly apologize.

Rigon

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Come on zolace...you can do it. Ive made my case and you know my position well. These Scandinavian countries (and New Zealand) are ranked as happy places because they score highly on social cohesion and personal freedom as the article you cite clearly says. The data also show that they choose to be religious at a very low rate (with only 13% attending church and over 60% having no religion at all or atheist). These are the most non-religious places on the planet. These areas are also full of the most decent law abiding people on the planet as evidenced by the lowest crime rates. I also posted these data.

How is it they have happiness and social cohesion, have high moral standards and don't commit crime, and no religion??? How can people who lack religion be so morally sound, law abiding and happy? That is counter to the premise of your thread .

You have avoided any response for over 180 posts now. I respond to your every request. The fact you don't like my responses is another matter. I may not like your response to the questions above, but it would be nice if you had the balls to respond.

umair127

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Quote from: Rigon on August 14, 2014, 11:44:37 AM

Quote from: umair127 on August 14, 2014, 11:35:21 AM

Jesus Christ rigon!!!

Why do you keep entertaining him??
zolace and others of his ilk are irrelevant. Nothing he says matters. Not like he is going to post something that changes the future.

I'm sorry I'm doing a scientific study on displacement behavior. zolace is a unique opportunity to study avoidance and obfuscation. He's a lab rat who keeps himself in his own cage. ....all meanings apply.

How is that working out for you?
You are aware that Einstein said the definition of insanity is reapeating the same experiment over and over again expecting a different result.
How many times have you repeated this experiment?

Rigon

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Quote from: umair127 on August 14, 2014, 11:35:21 AM

Jesus Christ rigon!!!

Why do you keep entertaining him??
zolace and others of his ilk are irrelevant. Nothing he says matters. Not like he is going to post something that changes the future.

I'm sorry I'm doing a scientific study on displacement behavior. zolace is a unique opportunity to study avoidance and obfuscation. He's a lab rat who keeps himself in his own cage. ....all meanings apply.

Rigon

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These are people with social cohesion and freedom as a factor in their happiness (cut and paste from the link you keep harping about), and they by and large choose to be atheist, to not be religious and/or not go to church (by a great majority....also cut and paste from a number of links). SO HOW IS IT THEY CAN BE SO HAPPY WITHOUT YOUR RELIGION ?

How can a society be happy if they freely chose to not worship or be religious? How can a society score so highly in social cohesion if there is no church or religion?

Rigon

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Quote from: zolace on August 14, 2014, 11:36:26 AM

Apparently neither can you. This thread is only 10 pages, and I only asked for one example. Sorry, but if you had c&p from that link, you would have pointed it out. Gleefully.

sorry. I gave you too many examples. I should have stuck to just one instead of the many.

If you can forgive me for cutting and pasting many examples instead of one, maybe you can for once in your life answer my question.

zolace

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Apparently neither can you. This thread is only 10 pages, and I only asked for one example. Sorry, but if you had c&p from that link, you would have pointed it out. Gleefully.

umair127

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Jesus Christ rigon!!!

Why do you keep entertaining him??
zolace and others of his ilk are irrelevant. Nothing he says matters. Not like he is going to post something that changes the future.

Rigon

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I think the point being is that religion does not boost happiness. Likewise, the lack of religion does not bring about despair.

http://download.springer.com/static/pdf/104/art%253A10.1007%252Fs10902-007-9045-6.pdf?auth66=1402614722_85f2838cc147c241238cbecfeeb91e82&ext=.pdf

Religiousness and happiness in three nations: a research note

umair127

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Starving people with no hope of a better life,; endless poverty until death.....?If this is "gods mysterious ways" Perhaps "god" should just leave it alone.

Rigon

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Other surveys show us that a clear majority of Norwegians have no religion or are atheist. A mere 13% ever go to church. I posted these facts in links as well.

Now lets put one together with the other and make two. These are people with social cohesion and freedom as a factor in their happiness, and they by and large choose to be atheist, to not be religious and/or not go to church (by a great majority). SO HOW IS THEY CAN BE SO HAPPY WITHOUT YOUR RELIGION ?

How can a society be happy if they freely chose to not worship or be religious? How can a society score so highly in social cohesion if there is no church or religion?

This is where you again do not answer my questions and obfuscate by again posting the article you claim I didn't cite that I again cited for the 50th time.

Rigon

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Quote from: zolace on August 14, 2014, 11:24:54 AM

Quote from: Rigon on August 14, 2014, 11:22:04 AM

We've learned two things. NO matter how many times I answer zolace' question, I cannot answer it the way he desires.....and he will never answer my questions. I am doing a study to see how many times he will keep asking the same answered question in order to avoid my questions. Thus far the conclusion is infinity.

Well, we will have to say that this is dishonest, if you cannot point to at least one place where you have pasted such:

First link you used to in your defense was as follows:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2013/10/29/the-worlds-happiest-and-saddest-countries-2013/

Now, if you think this link still supports your position on Norway - copy and paste the part that does here from that link. If you have done that before in this thread, you should be able to point to it - especially given you say you have done so 'many times'. Then I will glady apologize.

I already did post it many times. I posted that they have freedom to choose and social cohesion...right out of the article. Do you need me to help you find those words in the link to the article that you keep reposting ad-infinitum? That's pretty sad.

Read the article THAT YOU KEEP POSTING OVER AND OVER AND OVER....freedom to choose and social cohesion are listed factors of happiness in Norway...as ONE example of the numerous countries I listed. These are factors that make them happy as the surveys indicate.

zolace

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Quote from: Rigon on August 14, 2014, 11:22:04 AM

We've learned two things. NO matter how many times I answer zolace' question, I cannot answer it the way he desires.....and he will never answer my questions. I am doing a study to see how many times he will keep asking the same answered question in order to avoid my questions. Thus far the conclusion is infinity.

Well, we will have to say that this is dishonest, if you cannot point to at least one place where you have pasted such:

First link you used to in your defense was as follows:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2013/10/29/the-worlds-happiest-and-saddest-countries-2013/

Now, if you think this link still supports your position on Norway - copy and paste the part that does here from that link. If you have done that before in this thread, you should be able to point to it - especially given you say you have done so 'many times'. Then I will glady apologize.

Rigon

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We've learned two things. NO matter how many times I answer zolace' question, I cannot answer it the way he desires.....and he will never answer my questions. I am doing a study to see how many times he will keep asking the same answered question in order to avoid my questions. Thus far the conclusion is infinity.

umair127

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zolace is just being zolace. The majority of people living in Haiti are Christian.
Since the 2010 earthquake, I wonder how many of them are "happy" today? Not that Hatians don't have their fair share of pagans, but.....

If the Christian God cared....?

Rigon

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How can a society be happy if they freely chose to not worship or be religious? How can a society score so highly in social cohesion if there is no church or religion?

This is where you again do not answer my questions and obfuscate by claiming I didn't post something to your satisfaction.

Rigon

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These are people with social cohesion and freedom as a factor in happiness (from the article), and they by and large choose to be atheist, to not be religious and/or not go to church (by a great majority).

So atheism certainly is not a factor in their sadness is it zolace?

Rigon

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Quote from: zolace on August 14, 2014, 10:53:29 AM

Quote from: Rigon on August 14, 2014, 10:46:37 AM

Quote from: zolace on August 14, 2014, 10:07:52 AM

Quote from: Rigon on August 14, 2014, 09:38:51 AM

Quote from: zolace on August 14, 2014, 09:33:33 AM

Now, if you think it still supports your position on Norway - copy and paste the part that does here. If you don't, you are admitting that this link does not support your position, and we can then move to the next claim you used.

I already did copy and paste the part that supports my position (the whole article does). I already demonstrated my point. Because your brainwashed mind doesn't agree is utterly and completely irrelevant.

If you have a point to make about atheism, are you considering making it or not?

No you did not - certainly not in this thread. Nothing there in that link to support that atheism has anything to do with the happiness found in Norway.

But surely, if there is, C&P it here - of all people, you are hardly C&P shy.

Now lets put one together with the other and make two. These are people with social cohesion and freedom as a factor in happiness, and they by and large choose to be atheist, to not be religious and/or not go to church (by a great majority).

So atheism certainly is not a factor in their sadness is it ?

How can a society be happy if they freely chose to not worship or be religious? How can a society score so highly in social cohesion if there is no church or religion?

This is where you again do not answer my questions and obfuscate by claiming I didn't post something to your satisfaction.

I wonder if you are that foolish enough to think you have.

But, what does it cost you to do so here "again".

So, first link you used to in your defense was as follows:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2013/10/29/the-worlds-happiest-and-saddest-countries-2013/

Now, if you think it still supports your position on Norway - copy and paste the part that does here. If you don't, you are admitting that this link does not support your position, and we can then move to the next claim you used.

I have. I have pasted it many times. I have explained it many times.

zolace being braindead is not the same as me not having made my case. I made it. The fact you are too stupid or willfully ignorant to recognize it is not my problem.

They have strong social cohesion as at least one factor. That's right there in the article. I pasted it now at least a dozen times.

Perhaps you can tell me how a people can be happy and socially cohesive without religion?

Again, this is where you avoid the question for the 25th time.

zimmah

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Quote from: zolace on August 14, 2014, 10:17:35 AM

Quote from: zimmah on August 14, 2014, 09:48:15 AM

Quote from: zolace on August 14, 2014, 09:32:48 AM

i can't answer why God created man.....after you die you go in heaven or hell...depends on your sins and what good you did .

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Wouldn't it make more sense to create the earth anew, and have people populate the earth, as the earth originally was, in a paradise state, after the devil and all evil has been removed from it (after armageddon)?

i don\t know if you heard of this "God doesn't think like humans do"........

you may have misinterpret my question/statement.

Let me try to be more clear.

First, as you know, god created Adam and Eve and, as you know, he gave them the instructions to go and populate the earth, and put it into submission. Or something along those lines.

Since Adam and Eve were not meant to die, the earth was their home, for like, forever. At least that was the plan.

Since we are offspring of Adam and Eve, the earth is our inheritance. Matthew 5:5 even supports this: "Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth." and Psalm 37:29 "The righteous will possess the earth,
And they will live forever on it."

Nothing about heaven here, just the earth.

Why does it make sense to you that god has plans for us in heaven, while the earth is our birthright?

Why would god even need to get rid of evil on earth in armageddon, if he doesn't use the earth for anything else?

I believe the bible sends a strong message, that armageddon is meant to clean the earth and prepare it as our living place for eternity.

'heaven' as you know it, will be on earth, not in actual heaven (where the angels life). True heaven will govern over us (along with 144.000 humans who do in fact go to heaven as kings) with Jesus as supreme king. Finally a true theocracy, i'm looking forward to it. This is what Jesus meant with the kingdom of god.

The bible hints to this all over the place, from genesis to revelations and everywhere in between.

yes,your right,sorry,my mistake.......yes the earth was a piece of heaven,but we humans, with our decisions,slowly we destroy it .
One thing i don't agree with is hell,in my view God can't send to eternal sufferance the bad people....how do you see the hell,and what do you think will happens to "the bad people" ?

they simply stop to exist, when they are dead, they won't be resurrected, this will mean the second death, death from which no resurrection is possible, it's what the bible says. It will be like eternal sleep, they will not even know they are dead, they just become dust again. Because dust we were made from and to dust we will return, at least if we don't get granted eternal life.

Hell is a myth introduced by the catholic church, surely a god of love can not be that cruel.

zolace

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Quote from: Rigon on August 14, 2014, 10:46:37 AM

Quote from: zolace on August 14, 2014, 10:07:52 AM

Quote from: Rigon on August 14, 2014, 09:38:51 AM

Quote from: zolace on August 14, 2014, 09:33:33 AM

Now, if you think it still supports your position on Norway - copy and paste the part that does here. If you don't, you are admitting that this link does not support your position, and we can then move to the next claim you used.

I already did copy and paste the part that supports my position (the whole article does). I already demonstrated my point. Because your brainwashed mind doesn't agree is utterly and completely irrelevant.

If you have a point to make about atheism, are you considering making it or not?

No you did not - certainly not in this thread. Nothing there in that link to support that atheism has anything to do with the happiness found in Norway.

But surely, if there is, C&P it here - of all people, you are hardly C&P shy.

Now lets put one together with the other and make two. These are people with social cohesion and freedom as a factor in happiness, and they by and large choose to be atheist, to not be religious and/or not go to church (by a great majority).

So atheism certainly is not a factor in their sadness is it ?

How can a society be happy if they freely chose to not worship or be religious? How can a society score so highly in social cohesion if there is no church or religion?

This is where you again do not answer my questions and obfuscate by claiming I didn't post something to your satisfaction.

I wonder if you are that foolish enough to think you have.

But, what does it cost you to do so here "again".

So, first link you used to in your defense was as follows:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2013/10/29/the-worlds-happiest-and-saddest-countries-2013/

Now, if you think it still supports your position on Norway - copy and paste the part that does here. If you don't, you are admitting that this link does not support your position, and we can then move to the next claim you used.

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