Topic: State Atheism - page 2. (Read 6801 times)

Norwegians are happy, and they aren't religious.   Same for new Zealanders, Germans, other Scandanavian places.  Religion is not required for people to be crime free, happy, safe, cohesive. 


True or false..........Honest answers zolace.  It would be nice if once in your life you answered a single question I ask.

I do concede that you cherry picked pieces of info from this link below, no disagreement with you there. 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2013/10/29/the-worlds-happiest-and-saddest-countries-2013/

I also agree with you below that if anyone was to read this link alone, they would never get the impression that atheism had any connection with Norwegians happiness.

- the first link alone doesn't make the case.

Now, we can start considering the other links (and perhaps find you cherry picked there also), except you seem to want to back track on what you said before on the first link. 

You cant answer why atheists are happy, socially cohesive, crime free, not in prison.  IF as you presume that atheism is bad, why isnt there crime and unhappiness in regions with no religion?   You just have no answers whatsoever.  It goes against your beliefs of atheism and you have nothing to say but.....but ...that one link about happiness doesnt directly say atheism is the cause...."but that one link"...."but that one link".

If you ever grow some balls and care to enter a debate with grown ups, Id love to hear your explanation as to why non-religious places have happy people who don't commit crime.....why are there no athesists in prison. 

thank you for your concession.  You re right no point is an island, which is why my case that you cannot address is made up of many pieces of information.  Its not like you really lost ...you just never began .........you never were able to comment on why atheists are crime free happy people, or if you believe they aren't, present any evidence to the contrary

I would suppose something like the Anglican church, which was basically created by the King of England once upon a time because he couldn't get along with the Vatican. It became basically the official religion of England and what ended up happening was that there were a lot of fights between the Anglicans and all other Christians and a lot of people including the Puritans came to America to get away from that.

If anyone was to read this link alone, they would never get the impression that atheism had any connection with Norwegians happiness.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2013/10/29/the-worlds-happiest-and-saddest-countries-2013/

Sorry - a true statement.  You yourself have been unable to show from that thread alone that atheism has any connection to Norwegians happiness - in fact, you agreed it does not:
 the first link alone doesn't make the case.
and now you are backtracking?

And, further, again, as noted, you steadfastly refused to note what the link below did say about Norwegians happiness.  Again, very telling.  You just cherry picked.

Remember - no fact is an island to itself.  You might want to practice that with the facts from this link.

There are no atheists in prisons.   Communities with low religious belief are among the safest places on earth.   Atheists are happy and value social cohesion.  Atheists have morals because morals don't come from religion  All my links disprove the premise that atheism makes people bad.  It doesn't.....and you are "happy".

You are right ...the first link alone doesn't make the case.  I already agreed with that.  All my links make my case.   You have not commented with any rationale to refute the case in its entirety.  You are afraid to even discuss the other facts because your thread has been exposed as pure unadulterated bullshit like everything else that enters your pea-sized brain.

Again, I have not commented on the other links (except to note they also do not support your  position), as I have been hoping to get an honest reply from you on the first link.  Weave and bob as you may.


But, you have chosen to ignore other information from the link about Norway.  VERY TELLING.

More importantly, the first link BY ITSELF does not support your contention.  You admit that all it does is indicate that Norway is the happiest, and that Legatum uses several factors in scoring - HOWEVER, not noting how each of those factors weighs in for Norway.  Which may be why you do not note the other info on Norway from the link.


So, to sum: the first link by itself does not make your case.  You admit that you are using it only to introduce the fact that Legatum has ranked Norway as #1. 

Lets be clear about a few things  so we can all see what a dishonest liar zolace has been:

1.  My position is that your thread premise that atheism is evil is not demonstrated....not that atheism is better than religion or atheists are happier than religious people.

2).  A sole link on happiness in Norway has never been the sole argument in my case that atheism is not evil.  It is but a very small part of the weight of the evidence that atheists are not evil.

3) I posted links on Norway and many other countries that have low religion and high percentages of atheists.

4) I posted links on low crime  and comparative safety in areas with low religious belief.

5)  I posted links on disproportionately low prison convictions among atheists in the US

6) and yes, I posted a link that says these countries rate higher on happiness, and not just Norway with lots of resources, but many other nations with low religious belief. The people have social cohesion and are happy.

7) I posted links that say the majority of US scientists and other very smart productive and decent people are atheists.

Taken together, the conclusion that atheists are immoral and atheism is bad doesnot hold any water whatsoever.

Can you get over your obsession with one link and speak to the cumulative breadth of the evidence above?

You have never offered any comment on any link save this one......since you are obsessed that atheism shouldnt make people happy....  What I am saying is that all the data on the planet says atheists are not immoral evil killing machines as you suppose. The data say they are happy, safe, smart, and socially close-knit. 

What say you on all the other links I posted?

Do you disagree that atheists dont commit crime? tell me why...show me data.
Do you disagree that the majority of scientists who do a lot fo society are atheists
Do you disagree that religious belief is low in any of themany countries I listed in my links.


Can you enter a discussion or will you remain a liar?

I have told you a thousand times the case on atheism is not made from one link.You continue to try to make the entire case about one piece of  information from one link.  It has never been thus.  A  few posts ago you said I never showed that the link proves they are happy ( a lie).  Now you say it does, but the link doesnt say it is atheism.  I never said it did you fucking moron.  Was I ever saying that atheists are happier than religious people?  No.  I was countering the premise of YOUR THREAD that atheism is bad .  The data show that atheists are not bad....they are happy,socially cohesive, crime free, safe and smart.    Atheists are not in prisons, communities with few believers are safe  and full of happy people who don't commit crime.    A high percentage of scientists and really smart people who do a lot for society are atheists. I posted many many links that disproved your thread premise that atheism is bad.

Just that Norwegians are happy - and that if we had this link below alone, one would never assume atheism has anything to do with it (which is why you need the other links).  Yes?  Just want an honest answer here.

You are lucky I answer you every time.  I have been asking you questions for 9 pages that you wont answer.

You are also a remarkable liar. You claim I just posted the wordsfrom that link when I have done so many times. I posted the entire article about Legatum in from another source.  I posed links on scientists who are atheists, links on low numbers of atheists in prison, links on countries such as New Zealand, Switzerland, Denmark, the Netherlands, Germany.   Links on low crime in nations with low belief.  Links on happiness in multiple nations with no belief.

interesting that this was ALL you quote from that link on Norway. Kind of telling, I think.  But putting that aside for now:
So, we agree that, based on what you are posting, that first link you supplied does not support your contention that Norway's happiness is connected with atheism. 

This is one of many links I supplied.  Along with the other links that showed they aren't very religious...only about a tenth of the people go to church.  the majority view religion as unimportant.  Yet, there is no crime, they are safe, they have social cohesion, they are happy.  How can a nation have a happy people who are safe and have high moral standards yet not care about religion?  Why are so few atheists in prison in the US if you believe they have no moral compass?

Why are you so afraid to answer this?

Here are the exact  words from this one link again that demonstrate, without a shadow of a doubt, that this link and the study therein have concluded Norwegians and happy and socially cohesive.....more so than most all other nations.  There are a number of reasons, including social cohesion and a social safety net and personal freedoms to believe what they like.

Cut and paste directly from the link you have been obsessing over.

"So who’s the happiest? As has been the case the past five years, that distinction goes to countries that enjoy peace, freedom, good healthcare, quality education, a functioning political system and plenty of opportunity: Norway, Sweden, Canada and New Zealand.

Legatum scores the world’s countries on entrepreneurship, personal freedom, health, economy, social capital, education, safety & security, and governance.

"Norway has ranked first on Legatum’s list in each of the past five years".  a country with "a history of social cohesion"

 

You spend 13 pages asking me over and over about one link, that alone makes no case other than Norwegians are happy and socially cohesive.

Good grief, as noted in the other thread, you have not even shown that from the link below.

So, again, playing your game, the link below actually shows that Norwegians happiness is high despite the atheism.  I need not reference anything from the thread to support that, per you.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2013/10/29/the-worlds-happiest-and-saddest-countries-2013/

It is up to you if you ever want to talk like an adult and respond to my position with any reasoned logic or explanation of why you feel the way you do.  That is up to you ......not me.    I am not going to make the case of an idiot when I cant even see your case or what your mentally deranged mind is thinking.   Only the mentally deranged person himself (you) can tell me what you think you see in that link that disproves my entire case.

Ready go!

Why cant you just be happy believing what you do?  Why must you lie about other people in order to feel better about yourself?  It goes without saying that you are a pathetic human being. If god wants lying assholes like you in heaven, all the more reason for me to not want anything to do with that shit.