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Quote from: zolace on August 16, 2014, 05:22:12 AM

Quote from: Rigon on August 16, 2014, 05:16:39 AM

Quote from: zolace on August 16, 2014, 04:38:45 AM

Meanwhile, based on this link below, that you provided, it is clear that Norwegian's happiness would even be greater than it is now, if not for so many embracing atheism. In fact, it refutes all your other links also.
And, as you have done with this link, all I need to support my statement above is to reference the same link you did.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2013/10/29/the-worlds-happiest-and-saddest-countries-2013/

This one link on happiness and quality of life in one country apparently disproves data on crime and prison and atheism throughout the world. Tomas, in his delusional mind, believes he has read this in the link on Norway's happiness.

I cant wait to hear zolace' defense of this position. Oh wait....that's not his style....to actually defend anything he ever says with evidence.....why would he do so now? He will come back and do what he has done from the beginning....say nothing about anything and simply keep repeating what he hopes to be true in the face of zero evidence.

Yes, how does it? Well, I would have to post some excerpts from it to try and demonstrate that. The VERY thing I have been trying to get you to do with this link.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2013/10/29/the-worlds-happiest-and-saddest-countries-2013/

Yet you keep making excuses for not doing so. So, now you get upset because I play your game here? Ah the irony.

...why are you so dishonest? Doesn't your god disapprove of dishonesty?

You know the link about a single study of Norway's happiness in no way disproves any of the other links. Norwegian people's happiness is not related to the fact almost no atheists are in American prisons. You know Norwegian happiness does not disprove low crime in other nonreligious places. You also know there is nothing in that link or any other link that says Norwegians would be happier if they were more religious. They used to be more religious and they werent happier. If anything to that effect was in that link or anywhere else would have posted it by now.

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Quote from: Rigon on August 16, 2014, 05:16:39 AM

Quote from: zolace on August 16, 2014, 04:38:45 AM

Meanwhile, based on this link below, that you provided, it is clear that Norwegian's happiness would even be greater than it is now, if not for so many embracing atheism. In fact, it refutes all your other links also.
And, as you have done with this link, all I need to support my statement above is to reference the same link you did.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2013/10/29/the-worlds-happiest-and-saddest-countries-2013/

This one link on happiness and quality of life in one country apparently disproves data on crime and prison and atheism throughout the world. Tomas, in his delusional mind, believes he has read this in the link on Norway's happiness.

I cant wait to hear zolace' defense of this position. Oh wait....that's not his style....to actually defend anything he ever says with evidence.....why would he do so now? He will come back and do what he has done from the beginning....say nothing about anything and simply keep repeating what he hopes to be true in the face of zero evidence.

Yes, how does it? Well, I would have to post some excerpts from it to try and demonstrate that. The VERY thing I have been trying to get you to do with this link.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2013/10/29/the-worlds-happiest-and-saddest-countries-2013/

Yet you keep making excuses for not doing so. So, now you get upset because I play your game here? Ah the irony.

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Quote from: zolace on August 16, 2014, 04:38:45 AM

Meanwhile, based on this link below, that you provided, it is clear that Norwegian's happiness would even be greater than it is now, if not for so many embracing atheism. In fact, it refutes all your other links also.
And, as you have done with this link, all I need to support my statement above is to reference the same link you did.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2013/10/29/the-worlds-happiest-and-saddest-countries-2013/

This one link on happiness and quality of life in one country apparently disproves data on crime and prison and atheism throughout the world. Tomas, in his delusional mind, believes he has read this in the link on Norway's happiness.

I cant wait to hear zolace' defense of this position. Oh wait....that's not his style....to actually defend anything he ever says with evidence.....why would he do so now? He will come back and do what he has done from the beginning....say nothing about anything and simply keep repeating what he hopes to be true in the face of zero evidence.

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He now claims the one link on happiness in Norway says that Norwegians would be happier if they were religious (there is nothing whatsoever in the link that says anything remotely similar to this). He claims this one study on happiness in Norway disproves all my other links......i.e., the link on the happiness of Norway somehow disproves low crime statistics of other non-religious nations, it disproves the fact almost no atheists are in American prisons and are under -represented in prison by two orders of magnitude.

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Quote from: zolace on August 16, 2014, 04:38:45 AM

Meanwhile, based on this link below, that you provided, it is clear that Norwegian's happiness would even be greater than it is now, if not for so many embracing atheism. In fact, it refutes all your other links also.
And, as you have done with this link, all I need to support my statement above is to reference the same link you did.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2013/10/29/the-worlds-happiest-and-saddest-countries-2013/

How does the link on Norways happiness refute the fact there are almost no atheists in American prisons?

How does that link refute the fact the nonreligious nations have low crime?

You cant refute my claims, which are supported by all my links. Atheists dont commit crime, places where atheists live are safe, and atheists are happy. These are all facts supported by the studies I posted. You made claims you have not supported.... you could do something you have never once attempted to do......support them.

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Meanwhile, based on this link below, that you provided, it is clear that Norwegian's happiness would even be greater than it is now, if not for so many embracing atheism. In fact, it refutes all your other links also.
And, as you have done with this link, all I need to support my statement above is to reference the same link you did.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2013/10/29/the-worlds-happiest-and-saddest-countries-2013/

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I'm willing to bet a million dollars that zolace does not in fact come back and address the point and will remain fixated on a line of questioning about one statement from one link in a desperate attempt to avoid looking at anything other than the dark corners of his closed mind.

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Quote from: Rigon on August 16, 2014, 04:27:24 AM

For the sake of discussion....Lets say that one link doesn't exist. This will send your pathetic mind into convulsions since you have been using that one link as an excuse to avoid addressing the actual issue. Forget that link. Drop it. It never existed. Lets talk about all the others.

You made the claim from that thread, and have refused to back it up since. No 'for the sake of discussion'. Either you can show why the link supports your case, or you cannot. Take a position - and if you think it supports your case, post what it says about Norway that does that.

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For the sake of discussion....Lets say that one link doesn't exist. This will send your pathetic mind into convulsions since you have been using that one link as an excuse to avoid addressing the actual issue. Forget that link. Drop it. It never existed. Lets talk about all the others.

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Quote from: Mike Christ on August 15, 2014, 02:51:40 PM

I was thinking this thread would be about atheists who treat government as their new religion. Ah well.

Yes, it's true that nations which have fewer religious people--not necessarily atheists, but any non-religious, i.e. at least semi-rational--live happier, more peaceful and productive lives. Not because religion isn't present, it's because people who choose non-religion typically have more powerful reasoning skills, which is perfectly ideal for the market environment: ability to negotiate and foresee implications, rather than resorting to violence (whether criminally or politically) and advocating equality-of-outcome.

Isn't an atheist a believer that God doesn't exist?

Isn't religion essentially what a person believes and confirms by his actions, though it may not be organized religion?

Hasn't science proven that nature has developed untold numbers of things that are way beyond what man understands, at least presently?

Doesn't the definition of "God" include someone or something that is way beyond man, or that has developed things that are way beyond man?

Isn't it about time that we re-evaluate how much of the scientifically expressed "opinions" are simply political propaganda, and how many are scientific truths?

We are being misled by political propaganda about how random the universe is and about how great man is. It's being done so that we fall prey to "delusions of grandeur," and the politicians can control us because of the weakness of our pride.

It's time that we wake up and see that, if humans are making great advancements in knowledge and technology, we are on the bottom of the pile of the kinds of creatures that have the abilities to do such.

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I was thinking this thread would be about atheists who treat government as their new religion. Ah well.

Yes, it's true that nations which have fewer religious people--not necessarily atheists, but any non-religious, i.e. at least semi-rational--live happier, more peaceful and productive lives. Not because religion isn't present, it's because people who choose non-religion typically have more powerful reasoning skills, which is perfectly ideal for the market environment: ability to negotiate and foresee implications, rather than resorting to violence (whether criminally or politically) and advocating equality-of-outcome.

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Quote from: zolace on August 15, 2014, 02:12:49 PM

Quote from: BADecker on August 15, 2014, 02:10:13 PM

Are you two trying to see how long the moderator lets you keep your nonsense up?

I am just trying to make a point,but if it bothers you,i am sorry!

Doesn't bother me at all. Just kinda humorous, that's all. Usually the logic in something like this is way more evident.

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I presented multiple pieces of information on Norways happiness. How they rate high in numerous surveys and every year...not just one study. Also other pieces of information on similar countries with similar happiness like Sweden, Denmakr, Astralia, new Zealand.

I presented other pieces of evidence regarding no atheists in prison.

I presented evidence of low crime in nations with low religious belief.

I presented the evidence of lack of religious belief.

Conclusion....I presented multiple lines of evidence that suggests atheists are happy, safe, peaceful, don't commit crime, etc. This is counter to your position of atheism being bad and immoral.

Have you no answer?

Rigon

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Quote from: zolace on August 15, 2014, 02:11:49 PM

Quote from: Rigon on August 15, 2014, 02:08:34 PM

Quote from: zolace on August 15, 2014, 02:03:42 PM

Quote from: Rigon on August 15, 2014, 01:59:19 PM

This is the part where you provide evidence to the counter and attempt to state your case which you have not yet done. This is your thread no? Do you have a point?

Ok, this was quite dishonest, so it blows off the rest of what you said. I have clearly not said that.

I am pointing out that the link below, based so far on what you c&p from it, does not contribute to your case IN ANY WAY. Now, once you agree, we can discard it and move on to the other links.

Or, if you disagree, c&p what does contribute to your case. But, good luck with that - we both know the link below does not contribute to connecting Norwegians happiness with atheism (perhaps even the opposite) IN ANY WAY.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2013/10/29/the-worlds-happiest-and-saddest-countries-2013/

Do you think anyone reading this thinks you are actually "hanging in there"? Perhaps "hanging yourself", "hanging in the wind", "hanging out to dry"......but not remotely "hanging in there".

Address all the points in my case, make your case, or shut the fuck up and go home.

I tell you what, lets pretend that single survey from Norway doesn't exist. I no longer have it in my arsenal to make my case. There are plenty of other studies on well being and happiness in Norway and other similar nations...dozens of them. The data on prisons stands alone. The data on crime stands alone.

The above post stands - but maybe the below can make it simpler for you (I truly think you are also battling anger and ego issues here):

For the case of connecting Norwegian happiness with atheism (or even lack of religion):

In seeking to make you case, you have provided several links, including the one below - if we were to gather together the links that actually do contribute to your case, we can agree, that the one below should not be included, yes?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2013/10/29/the-worlds-happiest-and-saddest-countries-2013/

You cant get your single brain cell away from one single post and one single link? Huh

? My case is not made from pieces of information from that one link in that one post. My case is made up of far more data that I posted in many other places....with more links and citations.

Go back and read any of the seven times I summarized all 4 or 5 parts of the case and associated citations.

You are a surreal human being . The lengths you will go to avoid answering questions or recognizing what is right in front of your face is astounding. It's idiocy of biblical proportions.....probably the closest you'll ever get to your god.

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Quote from: BADecker on August 15, 2014, 02:10:13 PM

Are you two trying to see how long the moderator lets you keep your nonsense up?

I am just trying to make a point,but if it bothers you,i am sorry!

zolace

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Quote from: Rigon on August 15, 2014, 02:08:34 PM

Quote from: zolace on August 15, 2014, 02:03:42 PM

Quote from: Rigon on August 15, 2014, 01:59:19 PM

This is the part where you provide evidence to the counter and attempt to state your case which you have not yet done. This is your thread no? Do you have a point?

Ok, this was quite dishonest, so it blows off the rest of what you said. I have clearly not said that.

I am pointing out that the link below, based so far on what you c&p from it, does not contribute to your case IN ANY WAY. Now, once you agree, we can discard it and move on to the other links.

Or, if you disagree, c&p what does contribute to your case. But, good luck with that - we both know the link below does not contribute to connecting Norwegians happiness with atheism (perhaps even the opposite) IN ANY WAY.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2013/10/29/the-worlds-happiest-and-saddest-countries-2013/

Do you think anyone reading this thinks you are actually "hanging in there"? Perhaps "hanging yourself", "hanging in the wind", "hanging out to dry"......but not remotely "hanging in there".

Address all the points in my case, make your case, or shut the fuck up and go home.

I tell you what, lets pretend that single survey from Norway doesn't exist. I no longer have it in my arsenal to make my case. There are plenty of other studies on well being and happiness in Norway and other similar nations...dozens of them. The data on prisons stands alone. The data on crime stands alone.

The above post stands - but maybe the below can make it simpler for you (I truly think you are also battling anger and ego issues here):

For the case of connecting Norwegian happiness with atheism (or even lack of religion):

In seeking to make you case, you have provided several links, including the one below - if we were to gather together the links that actually do contribute to your case, we can agree, that the one below should not be included, yes?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2013/10/29/the-worlds-happiest-and-saddest-countries-2013/

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Are you two trying to see how long the moderator lets you keep your nonsense up?

Rigon

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Quote from: zolace on August 15, 2014, 02:03:42 PM

Quote from: Rigon on August 15, 2014, 01:59:19 PM

This is the part where you provide evidence to the counter and attempt to state your case which you have not yet done. This is your thread no? Do you have a point?

Ok, this was quite dishonest, so it blows off the rest of what you said. I have clearly not said that.

I am pointing out that the link below, based so far on what you c&p from it, does not contribute to your case IN ANY WAY. Now, once you agree, we can discard it and move on to the other links.

Or, if you disagree, c&p what does contribute to your case. But, good luck with that - we both know the link below does not contribute to connecting Norwegians happiness with atheism (perhaps even the opposite) IN ANY WAY.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2013/10/29/the-worlds-happiest-and-saddest-countries-2013/

Do you think anyone reading this thinks you are actually "hanging in there"? Perhaps "hanging yourself", "hanging in the wind", "hanging out to dry"......but not remotely "hanging in there".

Address all the points in my case, make your case, or shut the fuck up and go home.

I tell you what, lets pretend that single survey from Norway doesn't exist. I no longer have it in my arsenal to make my case. There are plenty of other studies on well being and happiness in Norway and other similar nations...dozens of them. The data on prisons stands alone. The data on crime stands alone.

zolace

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Quote from: Rigon on August 15, 2014, 01:59:19 PM

This is the part where you provide evidence to the counter and attempt to state your case which you have not yet done. This is your thread no? Do you have a point?

Ok, this was quite dishonest, so it blows off the rest of what you said. I have clearly not said that.

I am pointing out that the link below, based so far on what you c&p from it, does not contribute to your case IN ANY WAY. Now, once you agree, we can discard it and move on to the other links.

Or, if you disagree, c&p what does contribute to your case. But, good luck with that - we both know the link below does not contribute to connecting Norwegians happiness with atheism (perhaps even the opposite) IN ANY WAY.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2013/10/29/the-worlds-happiest-and-saddest-countries-2013/

Rigon

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Actually, it is very believable. he must continue to pretend I have made no case and that it is all about one link about Norway and none of the other points because.......he has no response, he has no case. He cant answer my questions.

He can never enter the realm of making a case for his position as long as he has none. He must continue to make it about my case, and he must ignore 80% of the points I've made and pretend they don't exist if he has any hope of hanging in there in this one-sided discussion with nothing other than "no it isn't" from him. He cant even state his point in the thread other than "atheism is bad" which can only be inferred.

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