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Topic: Study: Everyone hates environmentalists and feminists - page 41. (Read 80438 times)

legendary
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Remember, there are very powerful forces at work out there to make environmental activists look like loonies and eccentrics in order to discredit them.  It doesn't surprise me that the mainstream look down on them having been appeased into non-action by propaganda.  If you go to such an event you'll probably be impressed and forever changed by how well educated and informed the activists are, and by how the media have falsely portrayed them.

I think you misunderstand completely why people tend to dislike environmental activists.

There may be mainstream media propaganda against such folks. I know many who would argue the opposite. But any influence the media has over the issue pales in comparison to simply (1) knowing what the stereotype of an environmentalist is (save trees, save animals, don't hunt, don't burn, etc.) and (2) seeing some of the more outrageous-looking activities of activists. By outrageous-looking, I'm not talking about ELF. I'm talking about folks chaining themselves to trees and such. Believe me, going to the events to try to understand activists stands just as good a chance of making the situation worse, should many people realize that their beliefs about environmental activists are pretty reasonably accurate. Why? Because the motives of the activists just flat don't matter to most. It's their actions, and the immediate impact those actions have on others (and the uncaring way such actions are perceived as being done) that matter.

People can get on board with clean air and water. When you start stepping on their lives to "save the planet" from alleged ills that they're expected to take university-level classes to fully understand (never mind prove,) they're not exactly going to be very welcoming.

In addition, the mindset that animal rights or environmental care (again, let's exclude actual overt pollution, here) trumps individual liberties and property rights is a totally alien one to a broad spectrum of society, at least in the U.S. So when someone sees folks attempting to interfere with their normal activities--logging, mining, developing land, any of a number of "environmentally-impacting" jobs--they'll first wonder what such people are smoking. But that quickly turns to rage when they see these (to their mind) lunatics actually impacting their legitimate livelihood and/or desires. Were such confrontations to start with a conversation, there would probably be no change, but at least a first step would be made, with further steps to come later. And the deep-seated backlash of people who feel you're throwing slanted theories and alien emotions at them while trying to coerce them to act upon those theories and emotions could be avoided.
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Remember, there are very powerful forces at work out there to make environmental activists look like loonies and eccentrics in order to discredit them.  It doesn't surprise me that the mainstream look down on them having been appeased into non-action by propaganda.  If you go to such an event you'll probably be impressed and forever changed by how well educated and informed the activists are, and by how the media have falsely portrayed them.

Really good point.

There's an irony here. The people who seem to be very proud of their critical thinking, and not being brainwashed, are also quite happy to pile on to a study that shows that "the majority agree with them".

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Are you implying that I'm sexist and have no education?

Whatever you take away from it.
Are you concerned that others see you you as sexist or undereducated Huh
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Are you implying that I'm sexist and have no education?
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Because feminists have no legitimate complaints (there are women CEO's, what else do you want)
And environmentalists have gone from being friendly towards the environment to being outright anti human.
Their logic goes that if people didn't exists the environment would benefit.
Which is true, but seriously, fuck em.
Really? That is your position? Or are you trolling?

Having a woman CEO means women have achieved equality? Kind of like having a black president means black people have achieved equality?

They really don't have any legitimate complaints. They've achieved equality and then some. Law favors them over men in almost all situations, making them appear to be the victim. They get lesser sentences for the same crimes. They've even gotten more college degrees than men since 1982.

Bro, we oughta get us a couple and teach 'em a good lesson, waddayasay?  Gettin' all college on us when biches oughta be makin' me sammiches, amirite?
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Because feminists have no legitimate complaints (there are women CEO's, what else do you want)
And environmentalists have gone from being friendly towards the environment to being outright anti human.
Their logic goes that if people didn't exists the environment would benefit.
Which is true, but seriously, fuck em.
Really? That is your position? Or are you trolling?

Having a woman CEO means women have achieved equality? Kind of like having a black president means black people have achieved equality?

They really don't have any legitimate complaints. They've achieved equality and then some. Law favors them over men in almost all situations, making them appear to be the victim. They get lesser sentences for the same crimes. They've even gotten more college degrees than men since 1982.
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Because feminists have no legitimate complaints (there are women CEO's, what else do you want)
And environmentalists have gone from being friendly towards the environment to being outright anti human.
Their logic goes that if people didn't exists the environment would benefit.
Which is true, but seriously, fuck em.
Really? That is your position? Or are you trolling?

Having a woman CEO means women have achieved equality? Kind of like having a black president means black people have achieved equality?
Wow, I don't view women entering the workforce remotely the same as history of slavery and segregation.
But yeah I think we're all ready to move on and leave the bad stuff behind.  
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Sadly, everyone confuses environmental efforts with activists. Understand the difference, say, between the study of ecology and its importance with someone chaining themselves to a bulldozer.

The researchers needed a study to figure this out?

Environmentalism, generally, is emotionally centered much more on being anti-human than pro-environment. Being environmentally-conscious is one thing. Standing in front of trees to prevent their harvesting, or demanding punishment for anyone altering their land because an "endangered species" is on it? That's another thing entirely.



Both studies of ecology and environmental activism are essential for the survival of the human species.  You'll find most environmental activists are protesting or taking non-violent direct action because they care deeply about the survival of humanity, as well as nature.  Chaining oneself to a bulldozer or standing in front of trees to protect them may feel futile, and too small an act to be worth the fuss and risk of arrest.  Activists don't do these things for fun or for money, it actually cost a lot of time and money to do these things (transportation, time off work) and they are brave actions by people who recognise the urgency of our environmental situation.  Usually there is a very good reason for what they are doing.  For example paper should not be made from trees, it should be made from hemp and other materials.  An activist can only do so much, they can chain themself to a tree sending the strong message of what they are against, but may not be given the voice to explain what they are for.  Also, at such events often the debate is of a very high standard, much higher than that in parliament (talking about the UK here).

Remember, there are very powerful forces at work out there to make environmental activists look like loonies and eccentrics in order to discredit them.  It doesn't surprise me that the mainstream look down on them having been appeased into non-action by propaganda.  If you go to such an event you'll probably be impressed and forever changed by how well educated and informed the activists are, and by how the media have falsely portrayed them.


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Because feminists have no legitimate complaints (there are women CEO's, what else do you want)
And environmentalists have gone from being friendly towards the environment to being outright anti human.
Their logic goes that if people didn't exists the environment would benefit.
Which is true, but seriously, fuck em.
Really? That is your position? Or are you trolling?

Having a woman CEO means women have achieved equality? Kind of like having a black president means black people have achieved equality?
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Both these movements are artificially driven by the state. Basically an excuse for socialism; increased state power.


Lol, more paranoia please Roll Eyes
You might dislike it, but girls got paid less than boys and they are not more stupid.


I think that it is kinda unfair.

Women get paid less on the whole because around half of them don't work full time.

You think it's unfair that someone working full time gets a bigger paycheck than someone not working full time?  Huh

Comparing wages of working professionals who each work the same number of hours per week...

Duh.

Double duh.

There is no wage gap when comparing professionals who work the same job the same number of hours thanks to a little thing called the Equal Pay Act of 1963.
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Sadly, everyone confuses environmental efforts with activists. Understand the difference, say, between the study of ecology and its importance with someone chaining themselves to a bulldozer.

When someone says something like this it's so smug.

Yeah, there are few people who want to walk in to their front yards and see a pile of waste. That doesn't make you an environmentalist.

Environmentalists, Atheists, Feminists, etc are all wayyyyy more guilty of beating you over the head with their bible-equivalents than the mormons.
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Both these movements are artificially driven by the state. Basically an excuse for socialism; increased state power.


Lol, more paranoia please Roll Eyes
You might dislike it, but girls got paid less than boys and they are not more stupid.


I think that it is kinda unfair.

Women get paid less on the whole because around half of them don't work full time.

You think it's unfair that someone working full time gets a bigger paycheck than someone not working full time?  Huh

Comparing wages of working professionals who each work the same number of hours per week...

Duh.

Double duh.
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Both these movements are artificially driven by the state. Basically an excuse for socialism; increased state power.


Lol, more paranoia please Roll Eyes
You might dislike it, but girls got paid less than boys and they are not more stupid.


I think that it is kinda unfair.

Women get paid less on the whole because around half of them don't work full time.

You think it's unfair that someone working full time gets a bigger paycheck than someone not working full time?  Huh
hero member
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Sadly, everyone confuses environmental efforts with activists. Understand the difference, say, between the study of ecology and its importance with someone chaining themselves to a bulldozer.
legendary
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I don't hate them.  I just wouldn't say anything to the police or otherwise if I woke up and they had "mysteriously disappeared" one day, at least not until the next day when I was done doing nothing the previous day; there's a lot of work involved in napping and proselytizing liberty, and finding time in my busy schedule for the feminists and environmentalists has always been both a challenge and a chore.  Upon being asked "Where have all the feminists and environmentalists gone?", I would probably say, "Sorry, what's that?  I can't hear you over my making toast, but if you come back in fifteen minutes I think I will have some free time and a clearer head," but of course by the time fifteen minutes had passed I'd have escaped the house through a back window to hide in my end-of-the-world happy room several feet beneath the Earth, in the hopes the officials would inevitably get bored and give up on trying to ask; I have enough provisions down there to last me up to a month so I think I can outlast them.

But that's not to say I hate the people.
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Sounds like a topic for Fox News, O'Reilly would be proud  Lips sealed
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"In order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 per day"

Jacques Yves Cousteau
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Both these movements are artificially driven by the state. Basically an excuse for socialism; increased state power.

Right on, bro!  Find a thoughtful retort to the weak-kneed liberal environmentalist here:  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3268473
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I don't hate environmentalists or feminists.  Smiley
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I care deeply about healthy ecosystems, and treating women with respect.

Unfortunately, I have shied away from self-labeling myself as a feminist and environmentalist because assuming those labels actually reduces ones ability to influence anyone, as this study clearly displays.

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