Success or Fail? - Talking about Gambling as a major income - page 47.

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Quote from: kk5526682 on June 17, 2023, 02:02:33 AM

Assume all guys here are gamblers. So, no people can have moral advantage than others. No Judge.

No matter what the reason is, you plan to gamble as a major income or only income source. This is super super hard. Sorry for you. But I have three personal opinions.

Opinion One, a few people called Professional Gambler take gambling as a job for a living. These people have the skills to make that happen. My scheme is working on that. But it looks like so scam to many dudes, so you judge it on your own risk.

No hard feelings! Anyone can decide to go professional about his gambling attitude so long as it's paying off for such a person based on the strategies he's using. But let's make one subtle thing clear, and that is, many of these professional gamblers that takes gambling as a source of income also have extra sources of income too. Those sources they may not flag up as they do with their gambling but a few of us knows that apart from gambling there's back up source to their finances. For instance, the former owner of Chelsea football club we know him to be a professional gambler but he also has another sources of income despite him making some huge money from gambling.

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If you have the idea of how much you'll win or lose then that's the better way of gambling. Because if you lose, that's okay and that is because you know what you're losing.

And as you gamble, you know how much you can potentially gain so you'll gamble and try it. But Bob, you can't stop most gamblers because it's all about the money.

Whilst it's like that you're against the idea, everyone wants to win and take the money with them.

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Quote from: dezoel on June 18, 2023, 10:11:31 AM

Gambling is not a source of income, and one shouldn't take it that way. Even those who gamble professionally don't take gambling as their only source of income but they take it as a part-time income, they may not say this but they earn money from other sources as well and that is the reason why they have high bankrolls which they use to recover their losses from time to time and even if they can't do that, they don't worry about what they've lost because they win again later.

A regular gambler shouldn't take professional gambler as inspiration and try and follow their footprints, you can simply not beat the house even if you have a very high bankroll, it's just patience that can make you win sometimes, so if you lose today, don't chase the losses, but instead, keep the remaining balance and try again tomorrow and you might win your money back if you are lucky.

common sense and people should follow this. Thx for the reply.

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Have no idea your educational background and no interest. You need improve your reading skills. Or just waste your time here. I got no problem on 'luck is totally random'. And I do not say anything on that. My point is professionals 'know-how' 'deduct' 'the influence' of bad luck. Simple words. Bad luck can happen to anyone. Ordinary people like you will lose all your cash at hand if you gamble that day. Professionals get the same bad luck, they may lose 10% of the cash at hand. Whose brainpower need to improve now? This is the last time I response on such useless post. Have a good day.

But how do you determine if someone is a pro or not on game that is based on luck? It’s either they are just lucky on guessing or they have a good bankroll management that makes them stay on the game without being busted.

Bankroll size and management is the greatest weapon if you want to stay in gambling longer but there’s really no guarantee to have a consistent profit as source of income since you already said that bad luck always come. At some point. These professionals will encounter it and bust them even after their long winning streak.

You may guess 80% of the truth in gambling. One fact and 100% sure is the group of pros is very small. If you are reasonable and open-mind person, you will find them out by yourself. Gambling for entertainment or major income or other purpose depends on many factors. If you believe something and happy for it, why not keep doing that. Again, most of us have good education and we believe in scientific, the sad part is we will lose 100% for sure if only rely on that kind of stuff. For example, casino is the elephant or tiger, we are the ant or mouse. We don't have any win chance from any angle if you prepare to use any knowledge or traditional means. Think it deeper, when we are the real ant, we won't know we are the ant, and we don't know we have that kind of powerful enemy. We just know it is dangerous like most of people here. Play for fun is real real real good advice for any person and this is also the truth from kind people.

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Quote from: kk5526682 on June 17, 2023, 02:02:33 AM

No matter what the reason is, you plan to gamble as a major income or only income source. This is super super hard. Sorry for you. But I have three personal opinions.
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Well, being professional in gambling, arguably, requires skill. People which I think that can only be called professionals (in terms of gambling) are those gamblers who plays skill-based games such as poker. Surely, slots is out as it is purely random and most are pre-determined, AFAIK.

Unless you posses great talent with skill-based games, you should not see gambling as a source of income.

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Quote from: kk5526682 on June 18, 2023, 08:12:39 AM

You need improve your reading skills. Or just waste your time here.

Hilarious fool. Focus on improving your grammar skills first before trying to offer advice to others.

Quote from: kk5526682 on June 18, 2023, 08:12:39 AM

My point is professionals 'know-how' 'deduct' 'the influence' of bad luck. Simple words. Bad luck can happen to anyone. Ordinary people like you will lose all your cash at hand if you gamble that day. Professionals get the same bad luck, they may lose 10% of the cash at hand.

Spoken like a proper amateur. There is no way to influence luck and anyone who thinks that(Like you) are dumb as hell. Then again, what else can you expect from a gullible fool like you who got scammed himself? Think!

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Gambling is not a source of income, and one shouldn't take it that way. Even those who gamble professionally don't take gambling as their only source of income but they take it as a part-time income, they may not say this but they earn money from other sources as well and that is the reason why they have high bankrolls which they use to recover their losses from time to time and even if they can't do that, they don't worry about what they've lost because they win again later.

A regular gambler shouldn't take professional gambler as inspiration and try and follow their footprints, you can simply not beat the house even if you have a very high bankroll, it's just patience that can make you win sometimes, so if you lose today, don't chase the losses, but instead, keep the remaining balance and try again tomorrow and you might win your money back if you are lucky.

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Quote from: kk5526682 on June 18, 2023, 08:12:39 AM

Have no idea your educational background and no interest. You need improve your reading skills. Or just waste your time here. I got no problem on 'luck is totally random'. And I do not say anything on that. My point is professionals 'know-how' 'deduct' 'the influence' of bad luck. Simple words. Bad luck can happen to anyone. Ordinary people like you will lose all your cash at hand if you gamble that day. Professionals get the same bad luck, they may lose 10% of the cash at hand. Whose brainpower need to improve now? This is the last time I response on such useless post. Have a good day.

But how do you determine if someone is a pro or not on game that is based on luck? It’s either they are just lucky on guessing or they have a good bankroll management that makes them stay on the game without being busted.

Bankroll size and management is the greatest weapon if you want to stay in gambling longer but there’s really no guarantee to have a consistent profit as source of income since you already said that bad luck always come. At some point. These professionals will encounter it and bust them even after their long winning streak.

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Quote from: Yatsan on June 18, 2023, 07:31:56 AM

Ofcourse to those people who are winning, they'd say yes, profit in gambling can sustain a daily living. But if it's for the majority, gambling will never be advised to be a reliable source of income simply because of the fact that winning is not certain. You won't always win the game. And for me, even if you have won a decent amount, it will still not validate gambling as a reliable soirce of profit. If you've been in this industry for years for sure you know that there are days wherein you'd lose continuously, sometimes for a whole week.

Someone who has just won gambling will, of course, as you said be able to buy all their daily needs, but in my opinion that is too much and even though it is true that the results of the win will only be temporary, meaning that the money if you win will not last long because you will most likely return the money to gamble with the confidence and hope that you will be able to win it back. Gambling is an activity where you will risk money or valuables that you have and there are only two choices that will occur between winning or losing. If one makes this activity a source of income to support living expenses, then what if you run into a loss when you need that win for necessity?

Quote from: Yatsan on June 18, 2023, 07:31:56 AM

Having a huge capital would give you bigger chances to win but chance won't mean any certainty or guarantee of ending the day victoious. You could win, anyone of us can but if it is overall sustainability, it would still be a no.

No matter how much capital you spend, no matter how big your money is, it will still have no effect and cannot be used as a solution to win, because it cannot be used as a guarantee for a big chance of winning. Indeed, having large capital allows you to get big wins, but it does not rule out that there will also be big losses. I won't focus too much on finding ways to win, because for me gambling is just entertainment, if you're lucky, the win will definitely come by itself.

Very ture. The amount of money has no major effect on the result. Professionals is about the skill on their own fields. If you have big money, you will be called rich not professionals.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on June 17, 2023, 10:21:56 AM

There are tools you can use to win in the longterm
Risk management, not gambling when feeling strong emotions, bankroll management and so on
But you are right, strategies to beat the house will usually work for a while and then stop working

Defeating the house in the long-term is impossible due to the house edge factor. What you stated is true only about the short-term since you could technically overcome the house edge in the short-term.

Quote from: kk5526682 on June 17, 2023, 09:51:53 PM

People who make a living on gambling have knowledge and know-how to deduct the influence of bad luck. Never easy. I just believe this kind of group exist and will grow bigger.

Lol. This is easily one of the dumbest statements that I have ever heard in my life. Luck is totally random newbie. Improve your brainpower!

Have no idea your educational background and no interest. You need improve your reading skills. Or just waste your time here. I got no problem on 'luck is totally random'. And I do not say anything on that. My point is professionals 'know-how' 'deduct' 'the influence' of bad luck. Simple words. Bad luck can happen to anyone. Ordinary people like you will lose all your cash at hand if you gamble that day. Professionals get the same bad luck, they may lose 10% of the cash at hand. Whose brainpower need to improve now? This is the last time I response on such useless post. Have a good day.

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Quote from: Yatsan on June 18, 2023, 07:31:56 AM

Ofcourse to those people who are winning, they'd say yes, profit in gambling can sustain a daily living. But if it's for the majority, gambling will never be advised to be a reliable source of income simply because of the fact that winning is not certain. You won't always win the game. And for me, even if you have won a decent amount, it will still not validate gambling as a reliable soirce of profit. If you've been in this industry for years for sure you know that there are days wherein you'd lose continuously, sometimes for a whole week.

Someone who has just won gambling will, of course, as you said be able to buy all their daily needs, but in my opinion that is too much and even though it is true that the results of the win will only be temporary, meaning that the money if you win will not last long because you will most likely return the money to gamble with the confidence and hope that you will be able to win it back. Gambling is an activity where you will risk money or valuables that you have and there are only two choices that will occur between winning or losing. If one makes this activity a source of income to support living expenses, then what if you run into a loss when you need that win for necessity?

Quote from: Yatsan on June 18, 2023, 07:31:56 AM

Having a huge capital would give you bigger chances to win but chance won't mean any certainty or guarantee of ending the day victoious. You could win, anyone of us can but if it is overall sustainability, it would still be a no.

No matter how much capital you spend, no matter how big your money is, it will still have no effect and cannot be used as a solution to win, because it cannot be used as a guarantee for a big chance of winning. Indeed, having large capital allows you to get big wins, but it does not rule out that there will also be big losses. I won't focus too much on finding ways to win, because for me gambling is just entertainment, if you're lucky, the win will definitely come by itself.

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I have my own gambling rules and I don't chase any VIP levels or dream about making millions from gambling, nah I don't want this, all I want is a small win using small money, and that's not constant gambling every day, I have responsibility and plans so my way of gambling is very opinionated.

Gambling and major income are far from different, you can't use a game of luck as your income headquarters, and you will end up with nothing sooner or later, if you are lucky, you will start thinking straight and if you aren't, you will believe firmly that gambling is your way.

Goodluck with that, hope things go your way but only 1% of gamblers in the world get lucky with gambling, willing to take such a chance?

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Ofcourse to those people who are winning, they'd say yes, profit in gambling can sustain a daily living. But if it's for the majority, gambling will never be advised to be a reliable source of income simply because of the fact that winning is not certain. You won't always win the game. And for me, even if you have won a decent amount, it will still not validate gambling as a reliable soirce of profit. If you've been in this industry for years for sure you know that there are days wherein you'd lose continuously, sometimes for a whole week.

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Quote from: Gyfts on June 18, 2023, 04:04:41 AM

Your odds are better going all in at once and being done with it. Over many repeated attempts, ie gambling for a living, the law of averages would have you at a guaranteed loss over time given you flat bet on a game with a negative RTP (which is to say, any game you play outside of counting cards on BJ).

Agreed. What you described is yolo gambling which is the best way to gamble in my opinion. It's scary to invest everything at once, but it's the best way to beat the house edge in the short-term and save time too.

I won decent profits so far thanks to this particular gambling strategy. This high risk, high reward strategy is not for the weak-hearted.

Having a huge capital would give you bigger chances to win but chance won't mean any certainty or guarantee of ending the day victoious. You could win, anyone of us can but if it is overall sustainability, it would still be a no.

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This post is basically a rant by op against scammers since he got scammed for a specific amount which only he is aware of by being gullible enough to believe that it's worth investing in winning strategies.

Anyone with a half-decent brain is aware of the fact that there is no long-term winning strategy. However, short-term winning strategies do exist.

There are tools you can use to win in the longterm
Risk management, not gambling when feeling strong emotions, bankroll management and so on
But you are right, strategies to beat the house will usually work for a while and then stop working

I prefer to use simple word for easy understanding. Self-control. That's it. Gamblers, real gamblers, those kind of people gamble food money can be called this name. I am sure most of them have the methods can win money from casino. Very sure. 98% sure. The real problem of them is cannot control self. They don't play stop-loss, stop-win orders well. Maybe some also have time management problem. When you play longer enough like me, you will get a feeling on win or lose at the moment. This is strange. But this is real. When I got $1000 in my pocket with good mood and no pressure on winning big or chasing lose, I will win money in most of times. 50 bucks or 150 bucks maybe. But, when I decide to chase lose, most of time I got bad feeling on that.

The simple truth in gambling is if you never take big risks, you will never win big money. These people you talk about who are risking their food money are risking hamburger money to eat steaks. There is no guaranteed method to win 98% of the time, but most like to think there is.

HaHaHa, this is hilarious brother. Yes, if people want to eat steak but only have burger money. Why not go to casino to take a risk. Beacuse they want to eat Steak!!! Very good point!!!

I don't think you got my point at all. A guy has $50 in his pocket and can buy a few groceries for the week, but he is feeling lucky and decides if he goes to the casino and can win, he can buy groceries for the month. Taking a risk is the only way to ever win big in gambling.

Right. I don't have a point here. Just feel it very true in gambling facts. Some guys want sreak super strongly, they would like risk or don't care about the burger money. They just want steaks.

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I don't understand how some people see gambling as a potential income source. How could someone rely on gambling, when gambling itself is filled with randomness and uncertainty. Its like you being able to pay the bills also becomes an uncertainty in your life. Relying on it as a primary income source is highly risky and unstable, unless you are working as an affiliate and you refer others to gamble. You earn comission from that, and it might be good source of income for you, but still there is no guarantee that you will be earning forever. People should stop considering gambling as a job through which they can earn money and should see it as a form of "paid" entertainment.

They are being mislead by the adds of the gambling site and thought the process is easy at all especially on winning the reward. Well, they can easily realize it when they already started losing the money though some are still not listening and they still continue to gamble with a hope of making fixed profit. The golden rule here is to be more responsible and not to expect that much in gambling, luck is still the big reason why you are winning and that is something you can’t have always.

Definitely a very effective marketing strategy, and you could lose a lot of money if you are being deceived by such promotions. You’ll fail if you think gambling as your source of income because its not, not unless you’re rich enough to play big in casinos and still on a good financial status even if you already lose a lot of money. Don’t treat gambling as your source of income especially if you are still struggling with your finances.

I believe, most of the gamblers know already such fact that you can't treat gambling as your main source of income.
However, as a gambler, you hope that someday you will hit big that you can retire from your winnings.
But reality is, a lot of gamblers are getting broke as they can't control their spending once they are in front of their games.
Promotions are created to deceive players, but that is, if you will really believe that such fortunate events will be on your side.

Except for those noobs around on which they do re ally believe that gambling is something that they could easily make money or make sure profits with it on which when the time comes that reality would be

slapping into their faces then this is where regrets would really be kicking in. You would most likely ignore these stuffs when you are on such condition on which you would be having that false impression on the
start that making money is easy specially if you do see someone who do able to make some big hit then it would really be creating that kind of boost up towards it on which it would be causing out for you
to play even more.

You would really be starting to have those regrets on the time that you would really be having no money already on your pocket.Dont let yourself go end up with that kind of situation because of gambling.
It is really just for fun and if you do come after for money then you would definitely be failing with that kind of motive.

Major resources will be in the hand of minorities forever. Money, knowledge or skills are the same. We cannot argue with that. We gain what we pay. Simple life brother.

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Quote from: Gyfts on June 18, 2023, 04:04:41 AM

Your odds are better going all in at once and being done with it. Over many repeated attempts, ie gambling for a living, the law of averages would have you at a guaranteed loss over time given you flat bet on a game with a negative RTP (which is to say, any game you play outside of counting cards on BJ).

Agreed. What you described is yolo gambling which is the best way to gamble in my opinion. It's scary to invest everything at once, but it's the best way to beat the house edge in the short-term and save time too.

I won decent profits so far thanks to this particular gambling strategy. This high risk, high reward strategy is not for the weak-hearted.

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Quote from: blockman on June 17, 2023, 05:24:19 PM

This is like an extended topic of discussion about gambling being a source of income. While we all know that professional gamblers' source of major income is gambling. Many are just doing it part-time and even for fun. We can't just defeat our own thinking on this matter because we all know that we can't be like those professional gamblers. It took them a lot of time, sweat and blood to become one and people think that it's easy to be on that state but I am sure that it's not easier as what we think.

Right. You pay/get what you believe/do. Ignore all unnecessary stuff, maybe you can understand why I think pure gambling is truly fair for everyone. Think about the 50/50 game deeply brother.

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Quote from: Docnaster on June 17, 2023, 05:19:22 PM

I am surprised how this topic recieved much attention as upto 4 pages for only today. While I read the OP from top to down I do not see any exciting points or clear definition of option and hence I began to search through the comments to see why the discussion ran so fast.

Quote from: Vaskiy on June 17, 2023, 05:13:46 PM

Whether you want to be a professional gambler or you prefer just to be a gambler is secondary. The primary thing is the money, it is the one that drives people towards gambling. People were much about experience based, very few stay within limits or spend what they can afford to lose. This happens understanding and knowing the life stories shared by people through different sources. There is some people who realise only through real life experience, which is really hard. Most of the time once got used to it, people find it problematic and unable to come out easily.

I wonder that there is a title as a professional gambler just like a professional trader. Is the professional meaning that they can do it very well or they chose it as a career?

Thx for the reply. Your words remind me an very loved habit past years. When I don't want to gamble or empty my pocket, I like to observe body language from gamblers especially on happy or sad faces. This is normal for entertainment. If I find out some guys who bet big without any emotions, they may be the professionals or millionaires. Or some professionals act emtions to casino on purpose. To be super or abosolutly calm is necessary for playing high risk high return game. They can do anything to avoid 'surprising' 'exciting' this kind of stuff.

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Brother, I don’t want to convince you or sell my ideas to you. If you are the boss running a casino, you will know there is at least 2-3% people winning money from casino in long run by the means we don’t know. Does not matter you believe it or not, this is true fact in our world. The hired streamers equal scammer to me. They lie to poor gamblers everyday and supply them a fake hope. They are just pets of casinos. My interest is the method how the 2-3% people can do that in the long term. Not easy, but am trying to figure out. If you travel or read a lot, you will find out we live in a super diverse world. Some people tough and smart like god, some are just pigs, maybe pig are more clever than some of.

The guys able to achieve that without pure luck, usually participate to contest/tournaments and get profits thanks to the prizes. There use to be card counters at Blackjack, but in 2023 I don't think they still can overcome the house hedge of online casinos and most of land-based casinos, because casinos don't deal the whole shoe anywhere now. The other known way is to be good at sport betting and to bet on betting exchanges, parimutuel sportbooks(mainly for horse and greyhound racing) or at bookmakers dedicated to professional bettors, otherwise you will quickly get banned if you start to make too much money.

Have no idea on that counting cards area but these people are professionals for sure if they can make it as a living. in my points, professionals are self-control master at first of anything, then they have the ability to win long term into any 50% win chance game.

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Quote from: lionheart78 on June 17, 2023, 02:25:02 AM

I never intended to be a professional gambler nor reach the pinnacle of VIP rank. I only gamble to entertain myself and I cannot deny that with that entertainment is the hope to win huge but regardless, whatever the outcome of my session is I make sure that I accept it without any remorse.

There are times when we are unable to control ourselves into betting all our funds but to lessen the impact of our gambling to our finance, we should make sure that we only gamble with free money, beyond that will become a problem.

Since gambling result is random we should know that there is no way that gambling can be a source of steady income unless you are the owner of the platform. Never chase losses because if we do, losses will chase us in the form of problems and pressure. We gamble to be entertained not get frustrated. If the game is too frustrating for us we can always take a break and come back when the stress and frustration subsided.

Im also with this kind of idea on which not all would really be having that kind of approach or wishes in life on becoming a professional gambler which this do mostly fall into the category of doing sports bet or playing up some poker or other card games on which you could potentially make yourself to be one but in speaking about casino games then it would really be an another story. Pushing yourself to be come one would really be just bringing up a disaster towards your finances.This is why you should really be that careful on which path you would be choosing or taking on.

Gambling is for fun and never ever make yourself consider on trying out to believe on something that you could really make yourself that sustainable for long term. This isnt something that you could really be
able to attain and if you do have this kind of desperation in mind on acquiring such state then it would really be creating that kind of determination which would be leading into more losses and this
is something that you should really be able to avoid. Success or fail? You wouldn't really be minding that much if you dont really care at all about it because if you do and too mindful
then you would really be losing the real essence of gambling in the first place.

can't agree more again. This is the only truth for most of people (90%+) of the whole group. Gambling is designed for hunting people with superior math/scientific system and including all the weakness of human beings. This is why I suggest that all casino owners should be thrown into jail. They are just killing people who have weak self-control ability without any piece of sympathy. Sad.

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