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Quote from: iv4n on June 17, 2023, 12:10:54 PM

We can talk about gambling in general as a significant income. Still, we can talk about professional poker players and sports bettors since in these two some people win most of the time, they have good knowledge about the games themselves, good reading/analytic skills, and a nice bankroll for playing. In these two some people can make something more, but even that will always depend on luck as well... we all have bad days and red streaks. But some people know how to chill and take a break, or even better to say some people have good self-control and some goal they follow.

Professional poker players and the pros that OP mentioned who can make a living out of his game. We saw different poker tournaments and some of them waste hundreds of thousands when they fold. But the loss of one is also the gain of the other. Some of them even reach up to millions just to bluff. Them doing all these must be a success.

For me, I could say I'm still having success though I'm not a big spender in sports betting, I'm able to get around on my own in sports.

Those professional gamblers know how the mechanics of poker works and they absolutely know that bluffing is a very risky mechanic that only works on doing high stake plays like betting millions or all in. The higher your bet are shows how confident you are on your card and they know that everything they do is being calculated by their oponents. Bluffing don't work everytime especially if you keeps doing it everytime and you had a bust on bluffing. Them doing this knows how things will go if their bluff gets successful. It's also an ego thing if you defeat someone with a bluff and rising your ego with that risky move can be considered a success for someone especially if you defeated a remarkable player.

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Quote from: iv4n on June 17, 2023, 12:10:54 PM

We can talk about gambling in general as a significant income. Still, we can talk about professional poker players and sports bettors since in these two some people win most of the time, they have good knowledge about the games themselves, good reading/analytic skills, and a nice bankroll for playing. In these two some people can make something more, but even that will always depend on luck as well... we all have bad days and red streaks. But some people know how to chill and take a break, or even better to say some people have good self-control and some goal they follow.

Professional poker players and the pros that OP mentioned who can make a living out of his game. We saw different poker tournaments and some of them waste hundreds of thousands when they fold. But the loss of one is also the gain of the other. Some of them even reach up to millions just to bluff. Them doing all these must be a success.

For me, I could say I'm still having success though I'm not a big spender in sports betting, I'm able to get around on my own in sports.

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We can talk about gambling in general as a significant income. Still, we can talk about professional poker players and sports bettors since in these two some people win most of the time, they have good knowledge about the games themselves, good reading/analytic skills, and a nice bankroll for playing. In these two some people can make something more, but even that will always depend on luck as well... we all have bad days and red streaks. But some people know how to chill and take a break, or even better to say some people have good self-control and some goal they follow.

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Quote from: kk5526682 on June 17, 2023, 02:02:33 AM

Opinion One, a few people called Professional Gambler take gambling as a job for a living. These people have the skills to make that happen. My scheme is working on that. But it looks like so scam to many dudes, so you judge it on your own risk.

Opinion Two, there is no sure win methods or 100% profit strategy in gambling. If someone claim that, I will just go away because I won't definitely buy that. You believe you pay. I don't believe, just leave. Keep life simple. No judge to the buyer or seller. We are not the World Cop like Uncle Sam.

Opinion Three, this is the most important one. YOU. No one put a gun on your head to push you to gamble. You can do anything if you can control yourself by supreme rules. Like the stop-loss, stop-win, gamble hours per day......The key is self-control. Comparing the power of self-control, others are unimportant. Some people success, then they can be called professional gambler.

There is no scope to ‍say against anyone's opinion because everyone is right from their perspective. But in general I think gambling should never be considered as a source of income. Even those who are experienced cannot guarantee or assure gambling as it is completely controlled by luck.
Moreover, there is no way to avoid the issue of match fixing in sports betting. No matter how experienced a gambler is there, he has to accept defeat. There will be wins and losses so it should not be envisioned as a specific source of income.

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Quote from: adzino on June 17, 2023, 11:33:56 AM

I don't understand how some people see gambling as a potential income source. How could someone rely on gambling, when gambling itself is filled with randomness and uncertainty. Its like you being able to pay the bills also becomes an uncertainty in your life. Relying on it as a primary income source is highly risky and unstable, unless you are working as an affiliate and you refer others to gamble. You earn comission from that, and it might be good source of income for you, but still there is no guarantee that you will be earning forever. People should stop considering gambling as a job through which they can earn money and should see it as a form of "paid" entertainment.

Trying to avoid any strategies discussion or topics here becauce they are nothing comparing self-control. People gamble as a potential income source are very easy to understand because people have weakness on this. All people want to pay less to get more. Please forgive my foolish, I am assuming your point is 'don't understand how people can success to take gambling as a income source'. This is the core point of this post. My three opinions can display if you read it clearly. Read all posts in four pages, maybe you can find out your own answer.

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I don't understand how some people see gambling as a potential income source. How could someone rely on gambling, when gambling itself is filled with randomness and uncertainty. Its like you being able to pay the bills also becomes an uncertainty in your life. Relying on it as a primary income source is highly risky and unstable, unless you are working as an affiliate and you refer others to gamble. You earn comission from that, and it might be good source of income for you, but still there is no guarantee that you will be earning forever. People should stop considering gambling as a job through which they can earn money and should see it as a form of "paid" entertainment.

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Quote from: Haunebu on June 17, 2023, 08:54:11 AM

This post is basically a rant by op against scammers since he got scammed for a specific amount which only he is aware of by being gullible enough to believe that it's worth investing in winning strategies.

Anyone with a half-decent brain is aware of the fact that there is no long-term winning strategy. However, short-term winning strategies do exist.

There are tools you can use to win in the longterm
Risk management, not gambling when feeling strong emotions, bankroll management, and so on
But you are right, strategies to beat the house will usually work for a while and then stop working

There might be strategies and risk management that apply to winning but we shouldn't disregard the fact that our gambling fate will still rely on our luck. We can use specific strategies which we have proven effective but we can't use them to beat the house. There will always be two results in gambling and we can't always win all the time so we can't rely on our daily living on it.
There are gambling professionals that are continuously generating profit in gambling but that doesn't mean that they don't experience losses. It's just that they're skilled enough to handle their failures. When it comes to having gambling as a source of income, I don't think it can support us in the long run. We better have a stable job and just have gambling as a source of fun and entertainment.

Clear and loud brother. I hope every gamblers can hear and follow your words. If there is any chance for any people can make a stable source of income in any other fields, quit gambling instantly. No doubt and hesitate please.

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Quote from: Asuspawer09 on June 17, 2023, 09:54:42 AM

Quote from: kk5526682 on June 17, 2023, 02:02:33 AM

Assume all guys here are gamblers. So, no people can have moral advantage than others. No Judge.

No matter what the reason is, you plan to gamble as a major income or only income source. This is super super hard. Sorry for you. But I have three personal opinions.

Opinion One, a few people called Professional Gambler take gambling as a job for a living. These people have the skills to make that happen. My scheme is working on that. But it looks like so scam to many dudes, so you judge it on your own risk.

Opinion Two, there is no sure win methods or 100% profit strategy in gambling. If someone claim that, I will just go away because I won't definitely buy that. You believe you pay. I don't believe, just leave. Keep life simple. No judge to the buyer or seller. We are not the World Cop like Uncle Sam.

Opinion Three, this is the most important one. YOU. No one put a gun on your head to push you to gamble. You can do anything if you can control yourself by supreme rules. Like the stop-loss, stop-win, gamble hours per day......The key is self-control. Comparing the power of self-control, others are unimportant. Some people success, then they can be called professional gambler.

After gambling soooo many years, sky city Auckland, the star Sydney, crown Melbourne, nationalcasino.com, stake.com platinum5 (sylviegreta), wolfbet.com......still struggle hard to become a professional gambler......This is the inmost thing on yourself......Others are the camouflage of the essence of gambling. If these opinions make you find the right direction, I will be super happy.

Thanks for reading.

Scammers are everywhere, please think deep and seriously before doing anything.

Probably opinion two right? there's no actual way that you could always win on gambling there will always be a time that you're going to lose right? so that's gonna be a problem for sure if you're going to make it as a main source of your income because there are days that you're not going to earn money but the opposite you're going to lose. Surely it's going to be a problem in the long run and without a huge amount of cash that you could use as leverage there's no way you could sustain that, plus there is going to be a huge risk of losing everything every time you gamble.

It's a red flag if someone is claiming that it is possible for sure, probably for sure professional gamblers I doubt that they do gambling daily. I would say that gambling is just for entertainment so just don't make it a main source of income, probably you could bet a huge amount but still do it occasionally since you might win or lose either.

Your words can help a lot for new guys in gambling if they listen to you. Like Adin Ross. This kid has realy good resources and a lot of money. He wants to win big like Trainwreck. There will be a big diaster waiting for Adin. Adin is so new and young here. Even if he streams for stake. He will fall in gambling trap for sure. Train is a honest man. He always say 'do not gamble. you will lose' this kind of words to his viewers. This is good.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on June 17, 2023, 10:21:56 AM

Quote from: Haunebu on June 17, 2023, 08:54:11 AM

This post is basically a rant by op against scammers since he got scammed for a specific amount which only he is aware of by being gullible enough to believe that it's worth investing in winning strategies.

Anyone with a half-decent brain is aware of the fact that there is no long-term winning strategy. However, short-term winning strategies do exist.

There are tools you can use to win in the longterm
Risk management, not gambling when feeling strong emotions, bankroll management, and so on
But you are right, strategies to beat the house will usually work for a while and then stop working

There might be strategies and risk management that apply to winning but we shouldn't disregard the fact that our gambling fate will still rely on our luck. We can use specific strategies which we have proven effective but we can't use them to beat the house. There will always be two results in gambling and we can't always win all the time so we can't rely on our daily living on it.
There are gambling professionals that are continuously generating profit in gambling but that doesn't mean that they don't experience losses. It's just that they're skilled enough to handle their failures. When it comes to having gambling as a source of income, I don't think it can support us in the long run. We better have a stable job and just have gambling as a source of fun and entertainment.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on June 17, 2023, 10:21:56 AM

Quote from: Haunebu on June 17, 2023, 08:54:11 AM

This post is basically a rant by op against scammers since he got scammed for a specific amount which only he is aware of by being gullible enough to believe that it's worth investing in winning strategies.

Anyone with a half-decent brain is aware of the fact that there is no long-term winning strategy. However, short-term winning strategies do exist.

There are tools you can use to win in the longterm
Risk management, not gambling when feeling strong emotions, bankroll management and so on
But you are right, strategies to beat the house will usually work for a while and then stop working

I prefer to use simple word for easy understanding. Self-control. That's it. Gamblers, real gamblers, those kind of people gamble food money can be called this name. I am sure most of them have the methods can win money from casino. Very sure. 98% sure. The real problem of them is cannot control self. They don't play stop-loss, stop-win orders well. Maybe some also have time management problem. When you play longer enough like me, you will get a feeling on win or lose at the moment. This is strange. But this is real. When I got $1000 in my pocket with good mood and no pressure on winning big or chasing lose, I will win money in most of times. 50 bucks or 150 bucks maybe. But, when I decide to chase lose, most of time I got bad feeling on that.

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The thing with self control is that it's hard to follow most of the time and you'd be surprised that it only takes at first but sooner or later if you're still on the losing side even if you're controlling yourself, you'll quit. I think this isn't some kind of opinion but rather it's a fact and only few can follow that self control method. I'm always thinking of it to pass the time and I don't always over leverage just to get that losses.

Yes bro. That’s all my energy on this topic right now. People are different. Am trying to find the secret why some top guys can control self like an iron man. They do things accurately and unstoppable like a rock clock. But most of people are just mud, changed randomly and easily for any influences or excuses.

There will always be different among the pack and for gamblers that isn't an exception. I think the secret is consistency and even on other fields that behavior should be maintained or else you don't really belong to be there. We can't change them if they're mud, they're built on that but if you want to be a rock then you need to be molded, by perseverance, psychology, anything that will help you reach that goal.

Why self-control is the only key from hundreds of wrong keys to thousands of doors with only one right door. And I also don't argue with those points on entertainment or fun things, I can't say they are wrong but also I try to find out a survival chance for real gamblers (maybe homeless already). They said gamble for fun or entertainment only, that's cool. For some parts of real gamblers, for those people who have to gamble for a living, there is no other choice already. Quit gamble = Quit life. Must win has entered into their DNA. Some of them have already risk their life on gambling. Money is shit for them. They gamble without exactly reason anymore or they have put all dignity on gambling. For some guys, the needs of spirit is far far far more important than physical.

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Quote from: Haunebu on June 17, 2023, 08:54:11 AM

This post is basically a rant by op against scammers since he got scammed for a specific amount which only he is aware of by being gullible enough to believe that it's worth investing in winning strategies.

Anyone with a half-decent brain is aware of the fact that there is no long-term winning strategy. However, short-term winning strategies do exist.

Brother, you misunderstand all the major points I want to display here. Please read posts step by step. Thank you.

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Quote from: Mr. Magkaisa on June 17, 2023, 08:47:06 AM

- You know that scammers are everywhere, here you also know that it is not a good idea to turn gambling into cryptocurrency as a source of income. Instead of having that mindset, just change it as just a hobby and just a bonus if you win gambling.

At least with this mentality, we will not lead to addiction for sure later, and will not affect ourselves, friends and most of all our family especially or loved ones. And we should also consider that most people who play gambling are losers, so here we should be aware that it is not good to make it a source of income.

Do the things you good at.

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Quote from: Merit.s on June 17, 2023, 08:37:41 AM

It isn't a must that when you gamble that you hope to win,sometimes also put it at the back of your mind that losing is what the result of your game will turn up to be. Gambling should be seen as fun and not to make quick money,so that thinking of being a professional in gamble wouldn't be on your mind. People who wants to use gambling to survive in their lifetime are lazy and greedy people,who want to reap from where they didn't sow. If you start seeing gamble as something that you can use to get income,this is when you get great loss in it.

Lazy people will not success in any fields. Ignore them please. Greedy? I don't think the same way as you. People from wall street stand for this word. Most of them want money in their DNA. But these people are the most diligent group in the world. They are chasing and no relax in their life. I respect them no matter I like them or not.

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Quote from: Haunebu on June 17, 2023, 08:54:11 AM

This post is basically a rant by op against scammers since he got scammed for a specific amount which only he is aware of by being gullible enough to believe that it's worth investing in winning strategies.

Anyone with a half-decent brain is aware of the fact that there is no long-term winning strategy. However, short-term winning strategies do exist.

There are tools you can use to win in the longterm
Risk management, not gambling when feeling strong emotions, bankroll management and so on
But you are right, strategies to beat the house will usually work for a while and then stop working

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Quote from: hyudien on June 17, 2023, 08:06:11 AM

Quote from: kk5526682 on June 17, 2023, 02:02:33 AM

Opinion One, a few people called Professional Gambler take gambling as a job for a living. These people have the skills to make that happen. My scheme is working on that. But it looks like so scam to many dudes, so you judge it on your own risk.

The first opinion is more towards an affiliate or influencer who has influence and can lead his followers to play using his referral link. So not everyone considers gambling as a job unless you have a large following and have a relationship with a casino to establish partnerships. Meanwhile, the rest of the people who play individually will not make gambling a job, for whatever reason it will not achieve its goals.

Quote from: kk5526682 on June 17, 2023, 02:02:33 AM

Opinion Two, there is no sure win methods or 100% profit strategy in gambling. If someone claim that, I will just go away because I won't definitely buy that. You believe you pay. I don't believe, just leave. Keep life simple. No judge to the buyer or seller. We are not the World Cop like Uncle Sam.

Then for the second income, of course you don't always talk about luck games because each casino has a different room and only slot games usually test luck. As for poker and skill-based games, people can take advantage of their skills without relying on luck.

Never touch pure luck game such as any slots. Some guys can win some from the machine, but I won't buy that.

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in the part where I talk about professional gamblers, I have constantly said that professional gamblers have also realized that they cannot make constant big profits and that for this reason they keep creating channels on youtube with the intention of making money with youtube, as they need to have many views and for that you need to have many subscribers they are not going to tell people not to play the games of chance, they are not going to tell people to play as moderation, so what they are doing is simply talking about things like management banking, what is the over and under goals market, what is the Asian market and how does it work

what are the strategies that can be used in sports betting, advantages and disadvantages of making multibet bets and single bets, which are the best leagues to place sports bets, how to do a pre-match analysis correctly and how to place live bets, how the corner market, the card market and the free market work, so these are things they keep talking about, and some of them promote casinos and earn with casino sponsorships and referrals and give some game tips, but only a few games so that people keep hoping that they are going to make big profits from games. games should be seen as fun

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Quote from: Wexnident on June 17, 2023, 07:58:44 AM

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I'd say in any instance of professionalism, especially in types of games like poker, blackjack, or any gambling-related game really where luck matters more than skill, being a "professional" isn't really a recommendation, heck even if the path was laid out to you I would not do it. Imo there's no "successful" gambler, just a successful talent. The man managed to use whatever money he won from gambling to expand his skills, his paths, and his choices. It may have started with gambling and it may be the only thing they actually do, but they also know how to hire people for the right job. Gambling was just an opportunity that let them do so.

Quote from: kk5526682 on June 17, 2023, 06:47:00 AM

2, am the gambler, actually all gamblers don’t want money, they want the feeling of win money.

True, but at the same time money being won is also a huge factor. I reckon what you point out only often happens in cases of rich people? In cases of the poor, it's more like they aren't actually satisfied with what they get. They want more. And the mindset is if it happened once, it can happen again, which is true, but highly unlikely in cases of gambling.

Thx for the reply. I got a feeling you will be my first real follower in my community. I tell you why. Most responses here are still discussing the points I wrote in my post. That is good and I like to reply to them. But, you got the two side mind and you can take care of the good and bad sides at the same time. This is the real basic requirement for increasing self-control. I won't say you can win money with it, I just said you have the bility to make yourself to a professional gambler in long term. If people can only think in one way, no matter which way, the ceiling for their life is fixed. If this kind of people selected as a leader, that will be truly diasater for that group. When you win, you need to think lose as a balance. When you lose, you think winning will come for sure. This is art of stop-loss and stop-win. No one can teach you in real situation.

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Quote from: Solosanz on June 17, 2023, 07:50:18 AM

Do you mean there's a self pro claimed professional gambler which offer his service and promise anyone who give him money, he will return it after few next days? it's 100% scam and it's really a bad idea if you trust your money with someone you don't know who's him. We're in Bitcoin forum where every user already learn a popular phrase "don't trust, verify" since there's no way to verify his skill, you must not trust him.

Never let others manage your money. $200 per month is just a consumption or nothing for a lot of people. Gone is gone, no big deal. If $200k, that will be a lot and take it carefully. But it is still nothing for a group of rich people. Your angle depends on how deep of your pocket. People fight for $20 hard maybe even risk life on that. But still in some parts of this world, sorry, no need that big, in some parts of your city, a bevy of rich guys spent thousands of dollars on one meal or just a bottle of red wine. And they do such things every fucking day.

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Quote from: kk5526682 on June 17, 2023, 02:02:33 AM

Assume all guys here are gamblers. So, no people can have moral advantage than others. No Judge.

No matter what the reason is, you plan to gamble as a major income or only income source. This is super super hard. Sorry for you. But I have three personal opinions.

Opinion One, a few people called Professional Gambler take gambling as a job for a living. These people have the skills to make that happen. My scheme is working on that. But it looks like so scam to many dudes, so you judge it on your own risk.

Opinion Two, there is no sure win methods or 100% profit strategy in gambling. If someone claim that, I will just go away because I won't definitely buy that. You believe you pay. I don't believe, just leave. Keep life simple. No judge to the buyer or seller. We are not the World Cop like Uncle Sam.

Opinion Three, this is the most important one. YOU. No one put a gun on your head to push you to gamble. You can do anything if you can control yourself by supreme rules. Like the stop-loss, stop-win, gamble hours per day......The key is self-control. Comparing the power of self-control, others are unimportant. Some people success, then they can be called professional gambler.

After gambling soooo many years, sky city Auckland, the star Sydney, crown Melbourne, nationalcasino.com, stake.com platinum5 (sylviegreta), wolfbet.com......still struggle hard to become a professional gambler......This is the inmost thing on yourself......Others are the camouflage of the essence of gambling. If these opinions make you find the right direction, I will be super happy.

Thanks for reading.

Scammers are everywhere, please think deep and seriously before doing anything.

Probably opinion two right? there's no actual way that you could always win on gambling there will always be a time that you're going to lose right? so that's gonna be a problem for sure if you're going to make it as a main source of your income because there are days that you're not going to earn money but the opposite you're going to lose. Surely it's going to be a problem in the long run and without a huge amount of cash that you could use as leverage there's no way you could sustain that, plus there is going to be a huge risk of losing everything every time you gamble.

It's a red flag if someone is claiming that it is possible for sure, probably for sure professional gamblers I doubt that they do gambling daily. I would say that gambling is just for entertainment so just don't make it a main source of income, probably you could bet a huge amount but still do it occasionally since you might win or lose either.

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