Topic: Suggestion: allow on-forum altcoin giveaways for established altcoins - page 3. (Read 1033 times)

I think an on the record /public apology by the likes of mprep etc is warranted.

Although I am in favour of alt coin giveaways, many many coins over the years have struggled to gain traction simply because they couldn't give coins away as part of their promotion.

I give you full marks for bringing this reference. No one had this in mind to use as a good reference so far in this topic. Thank you.

This is a bitcoin forum we say yet altcoins are the major reason the forum is still very active and been considered one of the most relevant forum when you speak about cryptocurrency. Sure Satoshi made the forum all about bitcoin but I'm positive (anywhere he's) would be happy with the way the forum has grown out of been just a bitcoin discussion forum to accommodating other discussion like altcoins, politics etc. For we to achieve global adoption, bitcoin would need help, it can't do it alone.

Just imagine as a enthusiast that spend must of his online time on the forum and we didn't have the privilege to discuss or get updates on the recent Corona virus outbreak on the forum just because it was strictly a bitcoin discussion forum 👎. Things have changed and it's quite time some of the forum rules get reviewed. Some months back, the forum support Grin as a new payment option in the forum (which was a welcome development from my angle), let's stop the whole hate on altcoins for some second and think about their positive contributions to the industry so far. Atleast we have altcoins that are worth to be given the tagged "established" which aren't scam related per se. Lets work with those, ethereum is a perfect example.

it has to be allowed/banned for all, this is not something they can be picky about or they will end up pissing a lot of users off. lets say i like an altcoin that doesn't make the "list" or the opposite, maybe i hate an altcoin which i know is a shitcoin but makes the "list" to get the "stamp of approval". in both cases i would be furious for the bad decision.

which is why i say if you are to change the rules, change it for all altcoins equally. maybe create a new board for "giveaways" and don't let them put any incentives such as "bump our topic" to receive the giveaway. the board could have same rules similar to some other boards without showing signatures or counting posts.

The answer for it should be NO, to avoid any kind of attacks to the admin and the forum.

Altcoins, themselves, are very volatile, more volatile than Bitcoin. Their intrinsic values are difficult to identify and it is always a sort of challenge for investors. Allowing altcoin giveways here will cause many potential risks on the forum (its reputation, drama, more workloads on the staffs and admins).

Compare some established altcoins with their today values to their values at all time high circa late of 2017 and early of 2018. Most of them have still been lost around 90% from their all time high values. Many generations of investors call them as scam, no matter how established they are. Established altcoin, itself, is another controverasy stuff.

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There were many bounties or campaigns in the past, shadily run beyond the forum (from Discord, Telegram, etc.) and require participants to make posts in their ANN threads. It is a pain in the ass to find them. The forum should better restrict them all at the start to keep the forum as clean as possible. Any resources (time, human) should be used more efficiently and prevention is better than cure.

Honestly, I don't like most shitcoins and the fact that Tron was used as a coin there made me step away from that giveaway - but on the other hand I don't see a valid reason to ban altcoin giveaways. Finally, rules are there to serve the community and not to ban dozens of good users, so I like the idea to have a discussion how to prevent such cases in the future like the one we had recently.

Possible solutions:

1. Altcoin giveaways offered by services (mixers, casinos etc.) posted in Games and Rounds
2. Altcoin giveaways offered by altcoin devs posted in Altcoins Marketplace / Bounties
3. Requirement: at least Member Rank / Copper Member to launch giveaways (to have something at stake if they are abusing it for fake-giveaways (announcing and not paying; solely for creating buzz) or outright scam coins.

Personally, I wouldn't make a difference, if it's a new coin or an established one; I think it's somehow also a good thing for the forum to be considered as important by (legit) altcoin developers, like Monero and Dogecoin did. I like it to keep Bitcointalk as an important part in the crypto ecosystem and (at best) every altcoin should at least announce his new coin here and maintain their thread for a while. The more they get involved here, the better for Bitcointalk as a whole.
And regarding the spam: yes, there will always be spam, to prevent it as good as possible => 3. Requirement: at least Member Rank / Copper Member to launch giveaways

You deserve more merit and you got it :-P
And you are lucky to have friends around you in RL who are also bitcoin lovers. My mates sucks LOL

No question :-D

Heeey, I have read this topic, opened CMC and wrote everything straight out of my head. It probably took me 3 minutes or so. I don't know, me and my friends are having lots of discussions in RL about crypto and they all end with me saying "stick to bitcoin monkeys". Lets just say that I read more than I post...
See? It's all about bitcoin.

Not sure how long it took you to come up with all these interpretation but you nailed them :-D

I think I am one of those bitcoiners too although I have some "shitcoin for smart scams" and the only reason to buy them was the massive price decline against BTC. I am still waiting for the price to spike at least 100% so that I can double my bitcoin.

Not any crypto project, you are supposed to shill for bitcoin here, in real life, everywhere. Learn to use "it's shitcoin, stick to bitcoin" in regular speech like any other bitcoiner do

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@LoyceV what do you mean by established shitcoins? Top 10 CMC:

2) ethereum - shitcoin for smart scams
3) XRP - bank shitcoin
4) Tether -  
5) Bitcoin Cash - Roger said it is trash  
6) Bitcoin scam vision - faketoshi's scam
7) Litecoin - copy
8 ) EOS - centralized garbage
9) BNB - (insert any other exchange I want to make monez) shitcoin
10) tezos - another smart contract shitcoin

Money with kill switch  
Much wow, such coin. Meme coin. Only doge giveaway should be allowed here.

Don't fix if it ain't broken !
One could make an altcoin giveaway thread without getting banned:

• Announce it here and ask users to post username on telegram, website ,etc
• Ask users to send PM for participation
• Use the Private giveaway feature (I guess it should work for altcoins too, not sure tho)

Don't think there is any need for more features or rule bending for this.
As long as there is no "Post username and address in this thread" I doubt anyone would have a problem with the thread, regardless how shitty the shitcoin is.
So what if we are talking about ETH, LTC, DODGE, XRP, BCH or some new fresh out of the oven, premined, closed source, inflationary, AI developed shitcoin ? Do you miss that much "[USERNAME] [SHT COIN ADDRESS]...." kind of post ?

I understand some got banned because of a giveaway, but where are you going with this ? Make mods pick between coins ... why ?? Didn't see anyone complain before this 7 day ban that got cut short.

I think that's an issue of fairness more so than free speech, but whatever.  There are always going to be problems when you allow some people to do something and ban others from doing the same thing, and in general it's not good to run things that way.

I'd say the rule might need a looking at, at the very least.  On the one hand, I would expect senior members to know the rule about giveaways being banned and the consequences for breaking it, but on the other I don't see what the big deal is--and if it were my call I probably wouldn't punish the members who participate in them and instead would ban the promoters.  I sort of felt bad for those members whose names I recognized when they got temp-banned, as this is a lousy time to not be able to post on bitcointalk.  As I also said, though, those members ought to have known better.

This is a bad idea. There is no empirical guideline on established altcoins. What you likely consider established are very likely technological scams, e.g. EOS, IOTA.

Correct, a established scam just like the previous 3 mentioned.

The games and rounds sub is for on forum games, spreadsheet-based and giveaways (and the discussion thereof). Examples would include giving a prize for correctly guessing a number, being the nth person to post (with n being unknown), playing tic-tack-toe, and similar.

The game or giveaway should be bitcoin-related, and if it is not giving away a bitcoin-related prize, it should not be in games in rounds. If a platform accepts some altcoins on its platform, that is okay, but I don't think the thread should be promoting this fact.

This does not harm (sticky in the board) but how about the companies who have altcoin besides bitcoin in their platform. We do not suggest them to go to an altcoin forum or we ask them to go to altcoin marketplace? We need to embrace crypto projects, don't we?

I think there was some confusion.

I believe a simple solution would be for a mod to create a sticky in the games and rounds sub that says threads about altcoins do not belong in games and rounds, and that altcoin giveaways are not allowed.

I think theymos is handling this forum better than anyone could in the space. I have seen him to make some decisions in unbanning some users by not going very strict. There are exceptions and he always allowed room in it. My effort here is to see the next guy not to get banned because he was not very much aware about the rule or thought that it's not against the rule to make a post in thread X.

Isn't this mean that the rule was not very clear in their mind? It's not that they always do not understand the rules.

Well, that's a different story. I think this forum is horribly unfriendly to its users. Even rules that will get you banned on the spot (permanently or temporarily) are not easy to find or understand. IMO that's what needs to be fixed instead of wasting energy on creating standards for allowing altcoin giveaways. I'd pin the rules next to the Bitcoin Core download but officially theymos doesn't believe in written rules but he writes strict anti-altcoin rules and violators get banned... go figure.

No, thank you.

My reading of the explanation as to why participants were unbanned early are as follows:
*On forum games are allowed in the Games & Rounds sub, but on forum games involving altcoins would be wrongly posted, and would be disallowed forum wide.
*The thread was incorrectly posted in games and rounds
*It is an understandable that some participants made a mistake in thinking participating in the giveaway was allowed
*A lot of long-standing, active forum members were caught up in the mess, which is a negative consequence under normal circumstances, but this negative consequence is made worse by the fact that most of the world will be spending an increased amount of time on the internet in the coming weeks. 

This is a bitcoin-related forum, and its primary focus should remain to be bitcoin. I am okay with an altcoin sub where the development of altcoins can be discussed, and with an altcoin marketplace. The reason being that it is always good to have multiple perspectives, and things can be learned from the development of altcoins, and from altcoin economies.

The devil is in the details.  So now we're going to ask mods to decide which altcoins are shit, based on which exchanges they trade on, and whether those exchanges are shit.  I'm not saying the mods don't have the capacity to determine these things, but they're determinations might differ from mine, and vice versa.  Leaving so much up to the determination of the moderators is very likely to cause problems.

Currently there's very little stopping a casino or an exchange from creating a thread with a promotion saying "Go to our website, enter "bitcointalk.org" as a promo code, and receive 1 billion shitcoins that we now accept."  As far as I know that would not be against the rules, and no spam will result from it.