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Topic: Suggestion to make rank-up more difficult - page 4. (Read 2391 times)

legendary
Activity: 2464
Merit: 2094
February 25, 2020, 11:40:32 AM
#64
But maybe there should be limit on merit and be like this:
1-2 merit - helpful post
3-4 merit - post is good and really beneficial
5-6 merit - great post, this user changed my life Cheesy

Guys what's your opinion about this?
Your suggestion might not be too bad to implement but this merit system is not moderated, mate. Someone is only limited to sending 50 sMerit to the same user for 30 days. But you can still implement it as you wish and how you use your rights to send sMerit to other users be like 1-2 sMerit for posts that are considered good quality.

In the last 120 days I am happy to send 1-3 sMerit depending on the quality of posts and we cannot prevent others from sending sMerit more than this amount because everyone has their own judgment on a post and maybe when they are generous maybe we also get 5 -10 or more merit for posts that are considered mediocre by a small number of users.  Cheesy
legendary
Activity: 1680
Merit: 6524
Fully-fledged Merit Cycler|Spambuster'23|Pie Baker
February 25, 2020, 10:46:32 AM
#63
On paper the merit system is fine I think, but in reality it is very biased and I will explain why.

From my own experience I noticed it is much easier to receive merits if you write bullish predictions. I would advise to post in the Speculation section and make bullish predictions everyday, this way you will rank up very quickly.

I myself received 46 merits so far and most of them were after I predicted a bull run, or believe it or not but I also received a merit for simply writing: "Hello, I bought 0.37 BTC today, fingers crossed" (there was nothing else in my post). 

This reminded me of something similar I saw in a topic about how to earn merits "quickly and guaranteed". The suggestion was for being bullish in the WO thread.

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Merits are extremely overrated and useless (my opinion) but since I see quite many folks here begging for merits, today I will give you the best advice ever. Finally you will get your 10 merits within a week (guaranteed)!!

Pretty simple.

Visit this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.510540

This thread is very active and many drunk people post daily. Many of them have unlimited smerits to give to others.

1/ write ONLY optimistic predictions (the crazier the better). For example: if you think BTC price will be 15k next month, write 75k instead.
2/ posts do not need to be constructive or smart, keep it very simple but extremely BULLISH (key word here) so you can have more success.

At first sight it sounded funny, but seeing you state a similar thing here makes me wonder.

Edit: I just realized you also wrote that topic. And as far as I see, your merits increased by applying the same strategy. This might have to do overall with human way of thinking - bringing "good news" make people feel better. Sometimes even more generous, I suppose.
staff
Activity: 2548
Merit: 2709
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February 25, 2020, 05:51:37 AM
#62
@kuffy
there's even a separate ranking for it Smiley
[TOP-200] Members who support newbies - Thanks!

I must try harder, I'm 78th in that list. Smiley

not to give up... stay active and the rest will come naturally Smiley

but you have even written an instruction guide with helpful tips
That lookslike sarcasm to me, making fun of how biased Merit sending can be.

yes, i'm pretty sure it was. my post wasn't exactly serious either!
it is of course also a difference if you are a source with xx-xxx merits per month or just have a handful of them.
in the end it is only important that they are distributed continuously to get a certain flow in the board.
member
Activity: 127
Merit: 31
The real Jet Cash.
February 25, 2020, 05:44:09 AM
#61
@kuffy
there's even a separate ranking for it Smiley
[TOP-200] Members who support newbies - Thanks!

I must try harder, I'm 78th in that list. Smiley
legendary
Activity: 3290
Merit: 16489
Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
February 25, 2020, 05:41:49 AM
#60
but you have even written an instruction guide with helpful tips
That lookslike sarcasm to me, making fun of how biased Merit sending can be.

1-2 merit - helpful post
3-4 merit - post is good and really beneficial
5-6 merit - great post, this user changed my life Cheesy
1-2 merit: I only have <20 source sMerit left and the post is not that bad
3-4 merit: I'm loaded in source sMerit and the post is not that bad
6-8+ merit: good post, and I'm still trying to get rid of my load of source sMerit.
legendary
Activity: 2338
Merit: 10802
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February 25, 2020, 05:36:14 AM
#59
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1-2 merit - helpful post
3-4 merit - post is good and really beneficial
5-6 merit - great post, this user changed my life
<…>
On a personal scale, you can set those to be your standards. I currently go in ones and twos, with the occasional three, exceptional four and mythical one time fiver. Obviously every one has a different criteria, sMerit budget, and time (sometimes a pretty important matter) to award merit, so reaching a taxative consensus on a subjective matter is not really feasible.
legendary
Activity: 1722
Merit: 5937
February 25, 2020, 05:33:30 AM
#58
What would anyone add beside current merit system? Merit report? I guess it will be a huge headache whether user's post deserves 15 merit or 10 merit and etc, there isn't any merit measure tool. But maybe there should be limit on merit and be like this:
1-2 merit - helpful post
3-4 merit - post is good and really beneficial
5-6 merit - great post, this user changed my life Cheesy

Guys what's your opinion about this?


Imho, not a good idea. This could only cause more complaints and more drama, people reporting each other etc. Better to leave it like it is now, where everyone can give merit based on his own personal opinion, instead imposing more rules and restrictions.
Also, bare in mind that merit sources don't get same merit allocation , so amount of merit they get varies a lot (from what i understood, some get 60 each month and some get  for example 600 and more), and consequently  amount of merit they give to others for each merited post.
staff
Activity: 2548
Merit: 2709
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February 25, 2020, 05:26:59 AM
#57
Guys what's your opinion about this?

this cannot be implemented and is therefore not really possible, sorry.
also, everyone rates answers differently and there are no parameters to fix it on.
often a matching link can be more helpful than a post with 1000 words.
but it's also possible that a FAQ solves so many problems and X hours of work means that even 50 merit would be appropriate.
the quantity/amount is in the discretion of the distributor and you really don't have to dictate everything... there are all mature people here.

@kuffy
there's even a separate ranking for it Smiley
[TOP-200] Members who support newbies - Thanks!
member
Activity: 127
Merit: 31
The real Jet Cash.
February 25, 2020, 05:26:20 AM
#56
As Jet Cash, I've given a few new members merits for their very first posts. I thought they were great starts for the members in the forum.
hero member
Activity: 2352
Merit: 905
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February 25, 2020, 05:17:42 AM
#55
I don't think it's that easy to reach legendary as you are framing it, I think you have that view because you got most of your merits from the Bitcointalk Art Compition and it not that easy to earn 1000 merit's anyways. I am sure many would agree.

Although adding a new rank after legendary could be an better option IMO.
Oh no, number of current ranks is absolutely the best, at least to my mind.
Higher the rank, higher the signature space, maybe if we shorten the sig space (I mean number of words in sig) for hero members and make it similar of sr, sr - similar of hero and newbie without capability of using sig and then adding another rank higher then legendary may worth but still I think current ranking system is good.

Personally I think merits are easily given on some local boards, this may be support from nation or just really quality post but idk, I can't determine it.

What would anyone add beside current merit system? Merit report? I guess it will be a huge headache whether user's post deserves 15 merit or 10 merit and etc, there isn't any merit measure tool. But maybe there should be limit on merit and be like this:
1-2 merit - helpful post
3-4 merit - post is good and really beneficial
5-6 merit - great post, this user changed my life Cheesy

Guys what's your opinion about this?
staff
Activity: 2548
Merit: 2709
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February 25, 2020, 04:54:30 AM
#54
PS: I absolutely don't care about merits, I didn't sign up here for that

but you have even written an instruction guide with helpful tips. so the topic is probably not completely uninteresting for you Wink
i don't think the system is bad at the moment and much better than in the beginning. in the meantime it is part of everyday life here.
member
Activity: 450
Merit: 59
February 25, 2020, 04:45:30 AM
#53
Many will wonder after reading the title. Maybe many will blame this idea.

But, in my opinion, ranking up is way too easy now. Why I say that:

- for ranking up to Jr. Member you need just 1 merit; for Member you need only 10. Indeed, it seems so hard for a Newbie to earn 1 merit  but it is not hard actually (explained below).
- activity allows to become Legendary in 2 years or 2 years and a few weeks. Literally speaking, in real world, legends are built in far more time, not just in 2 years.
- many users help those who need a few more merits to rank up by giving them easily the respective merits. I think even if you are 1-10 merits away from the next rank, you should work for them as you did until that point.
- as far as I saw, merits are awarded too easy. Merit sources and members are more or less generous; besides, there are many merit giveaway threads.
- practically, all you need in order to rank up is to be a honorable person and to wait. Honorable person means the following: to not spam, to not scam, to not plagiarize and post what you think is helpful here. To act as a normal person.. And users will appreciate your work. They will give you merits if you post useful consideration and if you don't try to cheat the system. So [/b]merit barrier is not a real barrier at all[/b] if you act with good intentions.

In my opinion, the only real barrier is the time barrier. Because you have to wait for the activity points, but even this barrier has too low standards. Maybe Legendary rank should be possible in 5-10 years, not in 2. What legendary person in the history became a legend in 2 years?!

So I suggest to raise the merit standards because it is way too easy to earn them and also raise the needed activity for higher ranks.

On paper the merit system is fine I think, but in reality it is very biased and I will explain why.

From my own experience I noticed it is much easier to receive merits if you write bullish predictions. I would advise to post in the Speculation section and make bullish predictions everyday, this way you will rank up very quickly.

I myself received 46 merits so far and most of them were after I predicted a bull run, or believe it or not but I also received a merit for simply writing: "Hello, I bought 0.37 BTC today, fingers crossed" (there was nothing else in my post).  
Then we entered a bear market and I thought it was necessary to alert people on it, I posted charts with arguments and facts, barely got any merit for that and all my targets (bullish and bearish) came true eventually.


Bottom line: very biased system but there is nothing to do about it, human nature I guess. It's just like Youtube, make a video with insane bullish prediction and it will get more views than a rational bearish prediction. Merits here are just the same.



PS: I absolutely don't care about merits, I didn't sign up here for that, the above is a totally objective point of view. Hey it's not even a point of view but a plain fact.
legendary
Activity: 1680
Merit: 6524
Fully-fledged Merit Cycler|Spambuster'23|Pie Baker
February 12, 2020, 11:08:54 AM
#52
Lol... Now I feel stupid Smiley))

Of course I did... Just that in the moment of writing the reply I had several other things in my head and I forgot c9mpletely about this. Well it feels very embarassing and also funny Smiley Now I'm laughing at myself.

However, thank you for pointing this, Loyce!
legendary
Activity: 3290
Merit: 16489
Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
February 12, 2020, 10:11:16 AM
#51
Yesterday (Feb. 11th, 2020) I received my last merit needed for Senior rank, the 250th. It was given to me by philipma1957, at ~16:54:59.
~snip~
Unfortunately, LoyceV's site isn't updated yet to see the precise moment when philipma sent me that merit, thus the calculation is approximate
Wait... Are you saying you've never clicked "Merit:" in your profile? It tells you exactly when you received this Merit, you don't have to wait for the weekly data dump:
Code:
February 11, 2020, 03:55:25 PM: 1 from philipma1957 for Are there needed general (common sense) rules for signature campaigns?
(shown as Amsterdam time for me)
legendary
Activity: 1680
Merit: 6524
Fully-fledged Merit Cycler|Spambuster'23|Pie Baker
February 12, 2020, 09:38:43 AM
#50
Careful what you wish for mate. If theymos accept your challenge then it will really be the most challenging moment of your crypto life.

~snip~

The good thing is you already realize how hard it is and you want to prove that yourself that you can in spite of every criticisim you being received here. Good luck on ranking up dude. I'll be happy to check what will be your contributions in the coming future and I'll bump into this post of you later on and see how close you are already to becoming a full fledged Legendary rank.

Yesterday (Feb. 11th, 2020) I received my last merit needed for Senior rank, the 250th. It was given to me by philipma1957, at ~16:54:59. According to LoyceV's tool, my first merit was received on Friday, Oct. 25th, 2019, at 11:55:50AM.

Having this data, it appears that it took me 109d 4h 59' 09" in order to reach the threshold for Sr. Member rank. Or, in other words, I obtained this achievement with 56d 8h 45' 41" before the date when my activity would allow the effective promotion (which will be on April 8th, 2020, at 01:40AM, unless theymos changes the rules for my account).

Unfortunately, LoyceV's site isn't updated yet to see the precise moment when philipma sent me that merit, thus the calculation is approximate (however, the error is of a few minutes - most likely, below 2 minutes). I'll update the precise time amount once that Loyce updates the info on the site as well.

--Edit: as philipma gave me that merit on Feb 12th at 16:55:25 (this is what I see in my Merit section, although LoyceV said he sees 15:55:25), there is only a difference of 25" from my upper statement. Meaning it took me 109d 4h 59' 34" in order to reach the threshold for Sr. Member rank (and, respectively, I obtained this achievement with 56d 8h 45' 15" before the date when my activity would allow).

~snip~
Not all humans are equal!
Glad it worked out for you. Congrats again! Just enjoy, keep posting useful stuff and good luck on your road to 1k and beyond. If theymos doesn't start posting soon he will drop on second most merited Smiley) You're on fire dawg!
~snip~
Enough showing off already. Accept it and go on as usual.
Fuck it, it's very easy to become a legendary user here! Use the opportunity then. Be all that you can be!

Just felt a bit too much like pure bragging and nothing more. Guess that got me flamed. I am a imature prick most of the times but that doesn't mean I don't have pertinent opinions from time to time (the frequency of that is debatable).
GL & HF

P.S. I have no shame! Just saw that you were not understanding the message and were too focused on the irony (as you are again). Just tried to rephrase, not apologise.
P.S. Looking forward to your next thread so I can become Member  Wink


I hope that meanwhile you lost that sarcasm and you understood that if you act decent and bring some help around, you will earn your merits. I see your number grew from 6 to 13 since Jan 28th, when you graciously expressed your sarcasm here, which means you more than doubled your amount of merits in 2 weeks. Still sarcastic? Still thinking that becoming a Legendary is impossible? Smiley
hero member
Activity: 1400
Merit: 571
January 30, 2020, 08:58:01 AM
#49
- for ranking up to Jr. Member you need just 1 merit; for Member you need only 10. Indeed, it seems so hard for a Newbie to earn 1 merit  but it is not hard actually (explained below).

I smell too much bitterness here. Why not share or give 1 merit to a newbie member for him to rank up if he truly deserves it, they are just newbies, please go easy on them, don't expect that they will contribute a lot of knowledgeable things in the beginning, that is why they are called "newbie" or "amateur". Every professionals was once an amateur, remember that.

- many users help those who need a few more merits to rank up by giving them easily the respective merits. I think even if you are 1-10 merits away from the next rank, you should work for them as you did until that point.

It is what you called Generosity, since they are too close to their dreams (ranking up), those who can help will help them because of their good posts, that is why they earned merits, hoping you're getting what I am trying to say.

- legends are built in far more time, not just in 2 years.

I didn't know that legends should be define by merits.
legendary
Activity: 2044
Merit: 1018
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January 29, 2020, 06:59:39 PM
#48
These current requirements are tough enough and they take ages for people to contribute, then will be recognized by the others, and consequently will get promoted after months or ages.

That is for good users, in contrast for bad ones, current requirements are truly barriers to stop them ranking up. If they can not get promoted with current requirements, they will definitely not be able to rank up with stricter ones.

For good users, why do we have to stop them to rank up? If there are stricter requirements on them, will they damage the original purposes of the merit system?
legendary
Activity: 1680
Merit: 6524
Fully-fledged Merit Cycler|Spambuster'23|Pie Baker
January 29, 2020, 04:55:21 PM
#47

I'd also like to see a clear demarcation between earned ranks from merit and those obtained from nothing but lengthy shitposting in the old days. Ideally I'd rather have all airdropped merit scores and legacy ranks executed but that doesn't seem to be a popular view.

You know, I had a thread on this matter as well - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53369888

Theymos said though he is not decided about this idea at the moment.
legendary
Activity: 2590
Merit: 3015
Welt Am Draht
January 29, 2020, 03:05:37 PM
#46
In my opinion, the only real barrier is the time barrier.

Balls

Very few will become legendary from scratch. You'll have to be a properly valued member to achieve it. The numbers speak for themselves.

At present I think it's too easy to rank up from the very bottom, I'd like to see the middle rank requirements less demanding, legendary is about right.

I'd also like to see a clear demarcation between earned ranks from merit and those obtained from nothing but lengthy shitposting in the old days. Ideally I'd rather have all airdropped merit scores and legacy ranks executed but that doesn't seem to be a popular view.
legendary
Activity: 1680
Merit: 6524
Fully-fledged Merit Cycler|Spambuster'23|Pie Baker
January 29, 2020, 02:22:13 PM
#45
You can share it by yourself. It isn't needed for someone else to observe your post, to see it is valuable and to post it there. This works too, but you are also allowed to post your own topics / posts.
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