Topic: Suggestion to make rank-up more difficult - page 2. (Read 2391 times)

IIRC in the beginning there was only one section where newbies could post. Over time I think bitcointalk is generally relaxing restrictions and making it less difficult for new users to actively post, send messages and rank-up.

Newbies and Jr. members have restrictions placed upon them. Once they receive merit from more established members, they are given more relaxations as they rank up? It is good. It shouldn't be hard to rank up.


Time runs faster on the internet. 2 years internet time is more than 5 years real time.

You agree with OP and then you end up saying that newbies find it hard to rank up? Don't see that you are contradicting your statements?
Maybe the newbies you are talking about are posting in the wrong places like Bounty threads, ICO spam threads etc. I have seen so many newbie accounts that make contributions in the forum earn merits even on their very first post. Stop having such a negative mind if you ever want to receive any Merits

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Ranking up shouldn't be made more difficult either. It's not a competition or a game that has so many difficulty levels for God's sake 
The purpose of the Merit system was to kill spam and account farming, period.

I agree with you but it's also true that high ranked users send merits to other high ranked users.But they don't give merits so much to  those who are working hard to prove them.
That's why Newbies are getting disappointed and approaching to make plagiarized posts.

I don't think is too easy to rank up.

I'd love to see a script to check retroactive merit transactions from Theymos side (AFAIK he is the only one who can see IPs) to check if merit has been sent from the same IP to alts. (also trust)
It would be fun to see.

After replying to your topic from Beginners & Help section, I just realized I somehow forgot to reply to you here as well.


Please show me a few members which did a great job inside the forum and which are not recognized. Can you name some? And, of course their unrecognized posts.


This would be nice, but, unfortunately, we are not all friends. Some have acquintances here...some have friends...some have enemies / ignored users and so on. Regarding the part "because you are almost a High ranked member" - I started also from 0, from nothing and all I did was to bring good contributions to the forum. I started my activity here 1.5 years after the implementation of the merit system with 0 merits at the respective time. For more information, please read my previous posts in this topic. What I'm trying to say is that I didn't write this topic when I had 600 merits and when I was already a Sr. Member, but when I had "only" 201 merits, being a Full Member who earned those 201 merits in only 3 months at that time.


Actually I do care for others, this is why I also started a merit giveaway topic in the Romanian board, this being also the first merit giveaway from this section of the forum. Regarding the easiness to rank: ranking up is as easy as you make it. If you contribute a lot, your efforts will be appreciated. If you think your efforts are not appreciated, you can also try LoyceV's topic Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source. If even this try won't bring you recognition, it means that your post is actually of no use.

Finally, regarding your saying - insulting will certainly not bring you recognition lol. Actually, as far as I know, nullius is the only one here who managed ever to receive merits after insulting someone, this being also a 50-merits bomb from the insulted person But I doubt you would achieve something similar with insults.

We are building this forum together and you are making a suggestion that will weaken people that have done a great job in this forum without being recognized. I must say we are all friends and why would a friend suggest for a difficult ranking system because you are almost a High ranked member. They is a saying that the higher a monkey climbs a tree the more he expose his anus You don't care anymore for others that are finding it difficult while it's easy for to rank.

I think there is no need for that the difficult establish before is fair to all members, although some still find it more difficult to get merits as I do but still it's Fair enough to make forum members productive. And people should not be selfish as they in a certain high rank so they Don't Need others to reach that level.
I tried to understand the psychology of the writer then I find out he/she find out to move from that rank she/he is, is more difficult so he/she find a way to give people attention on adding more difficulties so other will not reach Him/her which is not fair.                                                                             
People should be given merits due to the efforts of their contributions to the forum. 

Today, while I writing in a topic, I accidentally remembered this one. And also accidentally I realized I never replied you lol.

Oh well, while beating theymos is something I'll never achieve (and, most likely, nobody else will achieve ), regarding your second statement I have to tell you that actually I did it

I dont think that Legendary ranking is the main goal or achievement of every forum user. But it is a right for every user who has a contribution and quality in the forum. When the merit system is implemented, Legendary ranking can only be achieved with positive contributions to the forum and also to most users. And I must say that they are the most entitled to get merit on most posts made consistently.

The number of merit a user receives is clear evidence that the user is a quality poster, the more merit a user receives indicates that the user is a quality poster or user who is contributing.

I do not agree if you say that Legendary members achieved after the merit system is implemented cant guarantee that it is not a user who has good quality posts and also does not prove that the user does not have extensive knowledge. If you think so, then I will never agree with you.

If you can understand what theymos say, then I am sure you will change your current perception. From this quote we can interpret that only the shit posters has never reached a higher rank even if only one merit.

There is no use doing such merit to post counting as there are numerous forum members who have merits more than posts.

Anyway GazetaBitcoin, why would you want to slow down ranking-up? Take a look on ranking from different angle - it is easy to rank-up because forum and members are evolving rapidly. Same as the whole world. Previously users need to study something, search and share for something new for weeks. Now people do it in days days a get appropriate reward (merit, reputation). Same as I had to learn how to do this and that on PC, while kids now in the age of 6-8 can google how to set up windows from usb and do that while their parents are at work

whether our personal main achievement in this forum is "Legendary Rank"??  A high rank does not promise that you are knowledgeable and a low rank does not prove that you are a beginner. on average, many starter topics that get many Merit that I see are members who are good at reading opportunities (even though their topics are not educational).. don't force yourself, because a low rank isn't too bad  

Merit rotation is spread everywhere *I hope you understand what I mean  

Absolutely not. Merit was specifically designed to be given to posts which are high quality, and not just any old trash that happens to be "on topic". See the quote from theymos when he launched the merit system at the bottom of this post. Meriting people simply for being active defeats the entire point of the merit system in the first place. Its reason for existing is to stop people from ranking up just for being active, and force people to actually contribute constructively to conversations and discussions. Airdropping merit to active users makes it no different from activity.

Furthermore, a post of less than 40 characters could easily be merit worthy, if it directly and succinctly answers a question. I'm thinking about posts in the technical section where users have asked for a specific command or piece of code to perform a task.

Currently it is hard enough. The difference between member and full member is already too much. As a new member you are definetly going to receive 1 merit maybe each 10 posts. Does that sounds right? For a full member, 1000 posts sounds like too much.

It should be also a system where the merit can be airdroped to users that are constantly active and they posts have nothing to do with plagyarism. Simply reward content creators that are on topic.

I would add as rule minimum characters in order to get merit, let's say 40/50. I saw so many one liners where people get rewarded.

  good memories this thread. Forgot about it.

I didn't "hack" the system though, just observed the forum and aside my personal case I saw many other users getting merits for a post that, in a perfect world, should never get a merit. The ones to blame are clearly the merit sources though. The thread I pinpointed above ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.510540 ) is a big joke.

Currently it's a lottery for DT. Theymos picks the names out of a hat (not exactly, but you get the gist of it).
And what will happen to current legendary rank members ? They keep their current rank ? Would it be weird to see some legendary with 1000 merit/1000 posts and others Hero member with 1200 merit/ 2000 posts ? Are they demoted ? Is that fair ?

Seems to me that whenever we don't have any problems we start making some ) but hey... live and let live !

First, you should beat most meriters user in this forum (@theymos) it's will make your suggestion have strongest proof. Even theymos have 7713 merit now, he doesn't create a thread about that's suggestion.
I you beat him, you can came back and suggest to make rank-up/ get merit more difficult.

Or maybe @theymos should make a new system only for you to rank-up more difficult.

Why not add new index to get a Legendary rank ? As it seems activity and merit is no longer enough?

Or to emphasize the person really is a Legendary on the forum, make legendary rank obtainable only through voting and trust system?
How forum decides who is DT1 and DT2, same system will decide who is ready to be legendary and who doesn't deserve that (or be an anti-legendary ).

But as theymos said he wont make new rank, that is greater than legendary, I doubt that he will make changes in ranking system.

Oh well, after more investigations through the history, I just found two more threads sharing the same idea (and, of course, even more members who posted in those threads supporting this idea).

The threads are the following: Coin-1's [Proposal] Enhance the requirements for ranking up to Member position and r1s2g3's Merit requirement should be proportional to activity.

How could you say it is easy to become a legendary? I can't imagine how could you become a legendary in 2 years time even if you post a low quality one. High quality posts are needed to become one and that's what we are lacking as Jr. Members. We still need to learn more I guess.

But being serious any changes would affect every single user, not just some "merit receiving sources" that manage to earn truck loads of merit (for their well thought out posts, don't get me wrong).
It's like tomorrow they changed the period for masters degrees. Not 1.5-2 years anymore. Now it's 7 !
Want to be called a "master"... well you better earn it ! )

Not really as simple as you describe it dude !